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On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause.
are you fucking serious?
who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games?
no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game?
maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last.
if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen)
considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive.
this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least)
im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh
well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha
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this is so stupid. GSL will be the biggest SC2 thing for a long time, with tastosis casting how many viewers you can get? I'd say that with proper word spreading 50 000 is possible. SC2 is HOT right now, there is plenty of companies wishing to get involved with advertisement, don't tell me GOM wasn't able to find any willing to pay them some good money? Or how many people do they think will buy they expensive stream/vods ticket? I'd say at MAX 500. 500x25 = 12500$. Don't tell me they wouldn't get this from interested companies T_T
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I would consider buying if it was maybe $35 or less for both VOD and Stream. Separately, the options both have huge ups-and-downs. You can get VODs spoiled and some people like the suspense of live events; however, you could go watch any game at any time. For streams, you will have to alter your schedule, and some series might be flat out stupid. They also have streaming issues in itself. But you get the live matches without spoilers...it is so intense to see whether IdrA will defeat the all-in push or not.
If OGN or a restream will be provided, I will be perfectly fine with those options though, as it isn't much of a downgrade.
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I voted "Definitely not" and "If <$10", but in reality I'm going to pay for both. It would be nice if GSL saw this and made it free though.
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If I can get the full 500 kbit/s here in Sweden, with no lag, and the games are played on sunday mornings like the intel thingy on gom was. Then I'll probably pay for it. But I have an income that let me spend $20 on random stuff. I can see how it would suck for anyone studying or working at minimum wage though.
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t.t was really looking forward to this
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I would like to see something like 5$ per replay pack. A replay pack includes an entire round of the tournament.
For instance in the first round you will get the most games, but a lot of them are going to be weaker players.
Each round you will get less matches for your money, but the quality of the matches will get better as the competition gets stronger one each side.
Imo this might be worth it.
I wouldn't have as big of an issue with this
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Maybe if it $25 for stream and VODS, but separate pricing, are you serious?
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On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha
I am in no way saying that 20, 30 or 50 bucks is reasonable for a live stream or VoDs. I will not pay that much either personally. I am just saying there's a better way to go about voicing your opinion to GOMtv. Is a professional company going to listen more to the nerds flaming them for their business decisions on forums or to the people who remain calm, mannered and convey their opinion with logic, complete sentences and decency? The same applies when dealing with any sort of customer service.
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On September 02 2010 04:13 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:06 Chill wrote:On September 02 2010 04:01 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 03:22 Hot_Bid wrote:On September 02 2010 01:41 Nilaus wrote:
Anyone else noticed the amount of threads being closed today dealing with restreaming of this event?
I don't like the way TL is moving, by being the lapdogs of greedy organisations such as GOMTV. It seems quite ambigous to provide VODs and restreams of BW, but stomp down on any mentioning of the same measure for SC2. We close restreams for every organization that requests it, provided they own the rights to their broadcasts. We did it for IEM, MLG, and we'll do it for GOM if they request it. We allow restreams of BW because we haven't been told by OGN or MBC to take them down. Additionally, the BW streams have a free stream, it's not paid premium.
So does that mean TL.NET will not allow any stream/vod of all the major sc2 events from now on?!?! Hasn't that been the case for awhile? A single link to MLG / ESL's stream with all restreams shut down? This is sad news man, I first came TL because of the VODs. Then I came because of the streams. Sad sad sad...
Why is that sad? Just watch on the official stream or request that they allow restreams.
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On September 02 2010 05:22 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:13 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 04:06 Chill wrote:On September 02 2010 04:01 mmdmmd wrote:On September 02 2010 03:22 Hot_Bid wrote:On September 02 2010 01:41 Nilaus wrote:
Anyone else noticed the amount of threads being closed today dealing with restreaming of this event?
I don't like the way TL is moving, by being the lapdogs of greedy organisations such as GOMTV. It seems quite ambigous to provide VODs and restreams of BW, but stomp down on any mentioning of the same measure for SC2. We close restreams for every organization that requests it, provided they own the rights to their broadcasts. We did it for IEM, MLG, and we'll do it for GOM if they request it. We allow restreams of BW because we haven't been told by OGN or MBC to take them down. Additionally, the BW streams have a free stream, it's not paid premium.
So does that mean TL.NET will not allow any stream/vod of all the major sc2 events from now on?!?! Hasn't that been the case for awhile? A single link to MLG / ESL's stream with all restreams shut down? This is sad news man, I first came TL because of the VODs. Then I came because of the streams. Sad sad sad... Why is that sad? Just watch on the official stream or request that they allow restreams.
Is TL going to request restream?
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On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
i WOULD but its too much work :/
id rather just be able to come to tl and watch them online like the bw VODs section or just go on youtube.. this is gonna eff up the commentators too lol
this blows... especially considering MSL and proleague are up in the air 
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On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha
I bought a football so I could play it with my friends, and now I have to pay to watch it on my TV. That is SO unfair.
Dduh..
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On September 02 2010 05:22 LuciD` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha I am in no way saying that 20, 30 or 50 bucks is reasonable for a live stream or VoDs. I will not pay that much either personally. I am just saying there's a better way to go about voicing your opinion to GOMtv. Is a professional company going to listen more to the nerds flaming them for their business decisions on forums or to the people who remain calm, mannered and convey their opinion with logic, complete sentences and decency? The same applies when dealing with any sort of customer service.
neither.
+ Show Spoiler +stockholders  actually i have no idea if GOM is public or not haha
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u pay to watch football on tv? u realize there are still plenty of games played on ur basic free television?
dduh...
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On September 02 2010 05:27 Demand2k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha I bought a football so I could play it with my friends, and now I have to pay to watch it on my TV. That is SO unfair. Dduh..
Are you actually paying for a specific sports channel that casts only football? If so, is it close to $30? Lastly, how would you rate the popularity of SC compared to football? Thanks, great comparison by the way.
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On September 02 2010 05:27 Demand2k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha I bought a football so I could play it with my friends, and now I have to pay to watch it on my TV. That is SO unfair. Dduh..
Dude, that's because you brought the "wrong" football. Instead if you brought "that" football they used in the game. They will have to pay you!
^.^
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WHO PAID EXTRA TO SPECIFICALLY WATCH THE WORLD CUP?
WHO PAID EXTRA TO SPECIFICALLY WATCH THE OLYMPICS?
not I.
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It's perfectly reasonable considering what it costs them to provide the stream.
$30 a season for the VOD ticket (300+ games) and $20 for a season of streaming (150+ events) seems like a good deal to me. I wish everyone freaking out about paying $30 a month would actually learn to read, go to the GOMtv site and read the details instead of sperging out.
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On September 02 2010 05:30 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:27 Demand2k wrote:On September 02 2010 05:13 Pedo.Bear wrote:On September 02 2010 04:10 LuciD` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2010 03:13 mmdmmd wrote:Just imagine what will happen when Blizzard kills off Kespa and takes complete control of the Starcraft scene!! YOU PAY WHAT WE SAY! CAUSE WE HAVE DA POWER!!!!Poll: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream?Yes! (103) 86% Not Sure. (9) 8% No! (8) 7% 120 total votes Your vote: Will you download a pirate version of the paid stream? (Vote): Yes!
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(Vote): Not Sure.
Honestly, I'm kind of ashamed of polls like this one. I do happen to think their pricing plan is pretty steep, but this kind of behavior is not really necessary. To me it shows we feel that there's some sort of entitlement to this foreigner coverage. We aren't entitled to any of it. They have decided to use some of their resources to provide us with coverage of this huge event and they pretty clearly can not do it for free if they think they can charge this much for it. The answer is not to throw a hissy fit and say we are going to steal your product because we deserve to see english commentary of this event both live and on VoD for a price we set. If I were the one making business decisions I would just feel disrespected by the audience and feel no reason to even offer it in the future. Who knows, maybe anything less and they will be operating at a loss? We have no idea what the circumstances are. If that's the case if they lower prices, operate at a loss, they may get some more subscriptions but maybe they feel their product is still going to be stolen now. Seriously, the best way to go about this is to voice your opinion in a respectful manner as a mass and if the two parties can't come to a mutal agreement just simply don't purchase their plan. Don't try and act like the pirating community and say well we're just going to stick it to you by stealing and brag about it. It's childish, selfish and it is indeed counter productive to the advancement of our cause. are you fucking serious? who the fuck cares about "disrespect" and the "feelings" of the ingrate whos making these decisions.. $30 a month for watching VODs for a VIDEO GAME is insane. considering youve already paid $60 for to simply play it (only first game of the series mind you). two months later youve paid the same price just to watch games? no one in their right mind is gonna pay $30 a month to watch gonna a video game (even if it is sc.. especially SO god dam early in the life of the game where theres still so many balancing issues and other shit to deal with). thirty dollars a month is A LOT of money for the target audience (teens and ppl in their twenties). internet access comes to about $30 for most people... whos gonna match that to just watch a game? maybe they should change it so that its like $30 bucks for the VODs but they stream for free.. or are uploaded on youtube or something.... this is not gonna last. if they want it to succeed as an e-sport. they gotta make it AS accessible to everyone who might be a little curious about the game... not shut out the majority fan base and the general popultaion. this is GOING to create piracy (which will happen) considering sc2 is like the first game to ever be designed to become an esport, the restrictions on bnet 2.0 (lack of lan mainly.. chat rooms are FINALLY coming back lol) and this $30 to watch games shit is gonna kill the game and never let it thrive. this is taking into account that sc2 isnt (IMO) as fun and intense to watch as bw (mostly cause its still new and hasnt evolved, and also cause the skill level is still far lower than what flash and jaedong are performing at which just isnt as interesting to watch.. IMO at least) im a cheap ass college kid. I love bw cause its such a good game to play and i can watch pros play at a godlike level FOR FREE. im certain that if there was no korean bw scene i wouldnta ever logged into iccup and woulda forgotten about sc a very very long time ago. again.. this is gonna kill the game......... sigh well.. i guess this is how they thought theyre gonna raise the money to hit that 80k winning prize haha I bought a football so I could play it with my friends, and now I have to pay to watch it on my TV. That is SO unfair. Dduh.. Are you actually paying for a specific sports channel that casts only football? If so, is it close to $30? Lastly, how would you rate the popularity of SC compared to football? Thanks, great comparison by the way.
There is a package that is like $250, but this gets you every single football game each week, in HD, with multiple other bonuses, with consistent service, and its the entire season, so like 3 months.
For 3 months of GSL coverage, at like $150, you get 500k low quality, inconsistent stream. Man.
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