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Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:29:53
August 28 2010 11:28 GMT
#161
I won't go too hard on HD and Husky; I don't follow them that much.
But they are entertaining and make ther best to bring the hype.
They just feel awfull compared to Day9. but hey who doesn't seem lame compared to the ULTIMATE BEAST CASTER THAT EARTH WILL EVER KNOW.
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
August 28 2010 11:29 GMT
#162
The only thing missing is "H to the usky Husky" and "seeee you guys next tiiiiime" and i would rip my hair off. He can be extremely annoying to listen to. HD is actually doing alright apart from using "ladies and gentlemen" in every second sentence.

I think we watched the games in Husky's pov(im not sure tho) and he missed out on so many things compared to day 9.
Neoattitude
Profile Joined April 2010
Guam172 Posts
August 28 2010 11:33 GMT
#163
I like the commentaries. The OP seemed to be worshiping Day9 a bit too much. I didnt really watch much of the HD/Husky commentaries so I do not know how 'awful' they were but if they commentate like they do in their streams, it should be good.

I do want to point out that Day9, as amazing as the OP portrays, do have one issue: He needs to remember that he has a partner and need to know how to commentate as a team. Similar to the commentaries during the IEM, his partners always have to force their way in as Day9 just keeps talking and talking and talking.
piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
August 28 2010 11:39 GMT
#164
As others have said, I think the real issue is that HD and Husky are both play by play guys. They don't have the degree of knowledge you need for analysis. HD gets under my skin because he's very inarticulate but that's something he can work on. It also wouldn't be as much of an issue if he had a co-caster who had the knowledge to be the analysis guy. HD might do a better job as sort of the "roving reporter" dude who was just out amongst the players and crowd to do an occasional filler interview or the like.

Day9 kind of does both play by play and analysis while JP just interjects here and their to fill silences. JP seems perfectly fine with that and that's all that really matters. People have accused Day9 of hogging the mic but he's really just a talker. He's a big personality and as long as he's paired with someone who doesn't mind the back seat, like JP, I think it works out great. I think he and JP did a far better job of filling the silences while players were getting set up and logged in than HDH did.

People complained about Day9 and dApollo at IEM and I think the issue there is that they're both analysts and both talkers, so they kind of stepped on each other. It doesn't mean either is bad, just that they don't make the best team. I was watching TotalBiscuit with dApollo at the i40 and I felt they made a much better pair. TB has a reasonable knowledge of the game, is articulate and engaging but also realizes that Apollo has more knowledge and defers to him for analysis of why X may or may not be a good play, etc.

To those calling this a hate thread: I think, as long as the criticism stays constructive there's no reason not to have these conversations. Of course HD and Husky are newer to this than Day9 and JP but they can't improve if there's no way for them to find out how their performances were received. The growth of esports depends on our commentators improving. MLG picked HD and Husky for their viewer base, which is absolutely the right choice at this point IMO. Esports needs to bring new fans in, but they also need to keep them. To keep them, esports needs to deliver a quality product.
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
August 28 2010 11:44 GMT
#165
i think day9 and especially JP looked sooo funny with make-up on :D they really exaggerated a little in this point x)
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17543 Posts
August 28 2010 11:45 GMT
#166
Jim Rome and Dan Shulman would probably do better jobs as a broadcasters, unfortunately, ESPN pays them about 10K a week.
Considering the production's budget level the commentary is just fine.
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Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
August 28 2010 11:46 GMT
#167
On August 28 2010 20:33 Neoattitude wrote:
Similar to the commentaries during the IEM, his partners always have to force their way in as Day9 just keeps talking and talking and talking.

Huh what, I really gotta disagree with that, during IEM Apollo talked and talked about non-important stuff while Day9 had to force himself into the conversation to say important stuff.
There were moments that I really wished Apollo would just shut the fuck up so we could hear about the more important things going on.
Got nothing against Apollo though, he's good, but he and Day9 didn't cast that well together imo.

As for HD/Husky, they miss important stuff all the time, most of their predictions are wrong and it's usually just a bad guess, it sometimes seems like they haven't played the game themselves.
I understand why new players like them though because they do seem really into the game and to them the game knowledge doesn't really matter.
I just found the entire MLG yesterday so incredibly boring, I was praying the entire time for BiggerT to arrive and throw up HigherdefinitionHDstarcraft restream.
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
August 28 2010 11:53 GMT
#168
On August 28 2010 20:46 Ighox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:33 Neoattitude wrote:
Similar to the commentaries during the IEM, his partners always have to force their way in as Day9 just keeps talking and talking and talking.

Huh what, I really gotta disagree with that, during IEM Apollo talked and talked about non-important stuff while Day9 had to force himself into the conversation to say important stuff.
There were moments that I really wished Apollo would just shut the fuck up so we could hear about the more important things going on.
Got nothing against Apollo though, he's good, but he and Day9 didn't cast that well together imo.

What was a more common tendency was that Apollo pointed out something critical, for example that loads of units died, then Day9 would go like "uhu... " and then say something about the matchup or the map that everyone had heard over 9000 times before. In my opinion, Day9 is a great analyst for his dailies, a good caster but a so-and-so co-caster.
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
August 28 2010 11:56 GMT
#169
Hey all! Thanks so much for all of the feedback. Just spent the past 15 minutes reading through each and every post and I'll be bringing up some of the feedback in our meeting this morning.

Thanks again and we'll see you guys when we go live!
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:02:08
August 28 2010 11:57 GMT
#170
On August 28 2010 20:53 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:46 Ighox wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:33 Neoattitude wrote:
Similar to the commentaries during the IEM, his partners always have to force their way in as Day9 just keeps talking and talking and talking.

Huh what, I really gotta disagree with that, during IEM Apollo talked and talked about non-important stuff while Day9 had to force himself into the conversation to say important stuff.
There were moments that I really wished Apollo would just shut the fuck up so we could hear about the more important things going on.
Got nothing against Apollo though, he's good, but he and Day9 didn't cast that well together imo.

What was a more common tendency was that Apollo pointed out something critical, for example that loads of units died, then Day9 would go like "uhu... " and then say something about the matchup or the map that everyone had heard over 9000 times before. In my opinion, Day9 is a great analyst for his dailies, a good caster but a so-and-so co-caster.

This is also somewhat true

a lot of stuff day9 says in very technical analysis, he will say over and over while casting.

Also brilliant/genius overused too much! 20 times a game, brilliant play, I really LIKE how he does X (over and over), Hallmark of a good player, etc. It's commentary that belongs in his day9 dailies and not in casts., It's fine to comment on their strategies etc, but don't go into detail about how much you like it for minutes/entire conversations.

There are a lot of points like this that he gets caught up on... REAPER CLIFFS jesus every reaper game I have to ear over and over how he likes reapers to be used.

OTOH day9 is a great caster, take this for what it is, pet peeves. These comments are all pretty correct and very insightful/good points, doesn't stop them being annoying after 1-2 games

I dislike how reapers jump up cliffs to attack, it should be for retreating. x100, It's okay though it's still amazing casting.... don't take this to heart!!! the same way you nitpick small things in people's builds (amazing players most of the time), is the same reason I'm writing this. Overall it's great.

I hope it's good there is some feedback.. and you take it for what it is..
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Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
August 28 2010 12:05 GMT
#171
I dislike how reapers jump up cliffs to attack, it should be for retreating


This helped me so much in reaper usage. Don't mind him repeating that for other players who haven't heard that yet.
LeonStarcraft
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom173 Posts
August 28 2010 12:06 GMT
#172
I didn't have a problem with any of the casters. All did a very good job, you lot crying of Husky and HD saying you turned off the stream because of them...seriously?

It's not easy to cast, at all. And they all did a better job then i ever will so fair play
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 28 2010 12:08 GMT
#173
I think HD and Husky are good for the newer players but they really don't have the BEAR SEMEN of Day9 or JP.
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crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
August 28 2010 12:15 GMT
#174
On August 28 2010 20:53 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:46 Ighox wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:33 Neoattitude wrote:
Similar to the commentaries during the IEM, his partners always have to force their way in as Day9 just keeps talking and talking and talking.

Huh what, I really gotta disagree with that, during IEM Apollo talked and talked about non-important stuff while Day9 had to force himself into the conversation to say important stuff.
There were moments that I really wished Apollo would just shut the fuck up so we could hear about the more important things going on.
Got nothing against Apollo though, he's good, but he and Day9 didn't cast that well together imo.

What was a more common tendency was that Apollo pointed out something critical, for example that loads of units died, then Day9 would go like "uhu... " and then say something about the matchup or the map that everyone had heard over 9000 times before. In my opinion, Day9 is a great analyst for his dailies, a good caster but a so-and-so co-caster.


I really hated the fact Apollo was so intrusive in the IEM, but tbh, I think he had too, cause else it would be day9 rolling all over him not letting him speak.
But I agree that day9 can say things over and over again we have heard, as you said, 9000 times before. Most of the time I can see and understand whats going on, most of us can, dont need to go in-depth analysing it when it would be more fun if you performed well as a commentator. One thing is casting his dailies, another to commetate a match.
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
August 28 2010 12:16 GMT
#175
On August 28 2010 20:56 itmeJP wrote:
Hey all! Thanks so much for all of the feedback. Just spent the past 15 minutes reading through each and every post and I'll be bringing up some of the feedback in our meeting this morning.

Thanks again and we'll see you guys when we go live!

at least one of the commentators read feedback
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 28 2010 12:18 GMT
#176
On August 28 2010 19:45 DarkspearTribe wrote:
Haha the funniest part is that HDH fans on their youtube channel saying day9 did bad job at commentating :D


seems fair to me since the majority of TL bash HDH commentating

live and let live i would say, everyone is doing the best they can
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
SevenAteNine
Profile Joined February 2010
126 Posts
August 28 2010 12:24 GMT
#177
HD and Husky were ill prepared for this live event not to mention their in general lack of indepth analysis that Day9 brings to the table. compared to Day9 they are complete scrubs because lets face it Day9 is over 9000.

My advice work on you're between game banter, come up with topics beforehand to talk about, interesting stories, other useful info the viewers might want to know, hell watch some of tasteless solo casting for gom TV he talks ALL the time about hand temp and mouse/keyboard/chair settings. Above all else, get to know popular build orders/players playstyle is quite helpful and will help with their analysis skills.
omnomnomnom
FuriousJodo
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States212 Posts
August 28 2010 12:26 GMT
#178
On August 28 2010 20:56 itmeJP wrote:
Hey all! Thanks so much for all of the feedback. Just spent the past 15 minutes reading through each and every post and I'll be bringing up some of the feedback in our meeting this morning.

Thanks again and we'll see you guys when we go live!

You rock JP. Please tell Husky to look at the camera, I think it will go a long way heh.
http://www.youtube.com/FuriousJodo - SC2/Misc Gaming Commentary/etc
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#179
On August 28 2010 21:18 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:45 DarkspearTribe wrote:
Haha the funniest part is that HDH fans on their youtube channel saying day9 did bad job at commentating :D


seems fair to me since the majority of TL bash HDH commentating

TL actually plays SC2, however.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
August 28 2010 12:40 GMT
#180
The thing that bothers me is that HD/Husky has been commentating/playing this game from early beta, and it seems like their understanding of the game has barely improved over the last 4-5 months. I just don't understand how every other sc2 player that takes the game seriosuly has a much better understanding of the game than them. Do they spend any time on the game except from when they are commentating?
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