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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 28 2010 09:46 GMT
#141
Husky and HD did a great job, you could cleary see that they were nervous as SHIT doing a live event like this, but they still did a good job

Day9 and JP was ofc flawless <3
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Noak3
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States236 Posts
August 28 2010 09:49 GMT
#142
Day is amazing, of course.

JP seems to take the backseat to Day9, but he's still a pretty good caster.

Husky is pretty good at a more casual, humorous casting style

HD is what I don't like. He constantly tries to hype things up and goes a bit overboard with it ("SOME HOW SOME WAY SOME HOW SOME WAY SOME HOW SOME WAY..."), messes up in words a lot, and goes on tangents. I think it's because he knows that he's "expected" to be a good caster so he tries too hard to be one instead of just relaxing and talking. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Love and be kind in the face of adversity. If you stand up for others, they will stand up for you.
SilverMyr
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 09:53:26
August 28 2010 09:52 GMT
#143
I really think all of the commentators were pretty good. I laughed and facepalmed at JP's "SUPPLIES" joke because it was just so deliciously bad, and when HDH and Husky surprisingly exclaimed about the Mothership that just showed up, it really made the match so much better. They might not have known about it, but they might've also just not said anything because they wanted to see what would happen.

They were pretty nervous, as a bunch of people said, and I think even Day9 talked a little too much. It's quite a feat to be able to sit in front of who-knows-how-many people and act like you're not nervous in the least bit. Today's games were still pretty awesome, to me.

Also, does anyone else really want to see a match commentated by both Day9 and Husky? Day9's excellent at analytical stuff, and for everything that you can say about Husky, he's definitely colorful in his commentary. Just kinda think it'd be a good time if they could get used to one another.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 28 2010 09:53 GMT
#144
Hd or Husky would be fine if they had a knowledgable caster alongside them. Together they just talk a lot of nonsense.
We expect fantastic professionalism and hard work from our players and tournament organisers... casting should be the same.

You need someone who's at least a mid-diamond random player (there's LOTS of people who fit this description). Or Hd and Husky could start playing a lot more starcraft themselves and work to get to this level.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Chanted
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway1001 Posts
August 28 2010 09:54 GMT
#145
My take on the casts, HD and Huskey got off to a rocky start with some technical difficulties, and had some problems filling the time (awkward silence) but they improved. Many seem to think that HD and Huskey is bad, but in my opinion they are not. The "problem" here, is that they are nowhere near Day 9 and JP in terms of commenting. I sat and watched Day 9 tell awesome stories while he waited for games to come up, and he seemed comfortable, which made it easy to watch, and his stories are great. HD and Huskey looked a bit more cramped, but that will probably evolve with time.
In Norway we have a saying going something like this "Its like jumping after Wirkola" Wirkola being this really great athlete and skijumper back in the days, and this situation feels somewhat alike. Its really hard to get into the booth after Day9 has been there, simply because he is so great at what he does.

Props to MLG for providing a smooth lagless stream.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
August 28 2010 09:57 GMT
#146
For myself, it is hard to add more that has not already been mentioned. I think the problem is that, people watch HD and Husky for various reasons. For the most part, it is to learn about the mechanics of the game, to have insight on what it is that is occurring, and to watch for the sake of entertainment. My reason for watching them is strictly the latter. They made a scene during beta, and were well known. They put out quality videos and had quite a bit of access. This appealed to many people so they were drawn to them. Unfortunately, their commitment to commentating is not equal to that of having significant gaming intelligence.

I watch their videos for entertainment and their ability to for the most part, follow what it happening. I am not looking to them for insight on builds and counters. What I fear may be an issue is that, commentators are already known. It is difficult for potentially great commentators to make an appearance and become noticed while the spotlight is so heavily situation on HD and Husky. I think if you were to ask the general community what they thought of them, they would adore them and think they were the most insightful people out there. By general community, I mean the average bloke, and mostly non-TL users. Day9 on the other hand is my current favorite commentators. I am not saying he is absolutely brilliant, but at least for myself, I know he knows much more then I do. He puts out great videos, and having his blip.tv on hand is quite helpful. He is very entertaining and I do not think fame will ever go to his head. Also, bar-none, his scream is epic.

I mean, look at his followers. He has a large following, and he does not have decked out youtube accounts. He posts what is necessary, and worries a lot on the general quality over aesthetics. In the end, I am not going to bash on HD and Husky. I think they contribute to the community (but potential harm as well) and can be entertaining. But in the end, I am hoping Day9 becomes bigger and looking for new up and coming commentators. Wouldn't mind seeing some more out there.
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xenom00t
Profile Joined February 2009
United States162 Posts
August 28 2010 09:58 GMT
#147
sad to agree, because i was also early hd and husky fans, but after seeing them cast a few games today i was a little depressed on how they did live.
IdrA, letting me know its OK to rage :]
ven
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany332 Posts
August 28 2010 10:02 GMT
#148
Two points that stood out to me the most, both from the Silver vs Gretorp games:
On steppes HD and Husky went on and on and on about tanks with not a single tank, not even a tech lab on a factory in sight. A small mention how marauders are not bad against tanks would've been fine but that was just unnecessary.
Also way too much exaggeration of the quality of the games. Even though the series was quite entertaining I thought both players performed quite poorly, yet somehow every move they made was "brilliant".

I think this mostly stems from talking for the sake of talking and repeating catchphrases, none of which is unfixable if they would take a little more time thinking about what they're saying instead of being afraid of silence and blurping out whatever to get rid of it. :p
You can reach the rainbow. I'll be there to help.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
August 28 2010 10:10 GMT
#149
husky tends to ramble about random things, and hd can be a little dull, both I think they both did a great job. If you're looking for an intellectual breakdown of the different facets of starcraft 2, you'll be disappointed, but I still think they did a great job as casters.
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:28:57
August 28 2010 10:12 GMT
#150
HD and Husky could be good casters if they would put effort in learning a game instead of doing whatever they can to earn more money off their huge fan base (Splitting videos, selling places for ads in their channel, asking for donations even when getting paid from google partnership, making T-shirts)

Did I mention they got their own starcraft2 website and now trying to be better then teamliquid? :p

edit: I agree with person who said they need someone with knowledge to help them, because they talk a lot of nonsense
FuriousJodo
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 10:39:15
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#151
My biggest concern with HD and Husky, is that they've both been casting for 6+ months now in VODs and the like, but they don't seem to have changed other than to incorporate "radio voices" which I find really annoying. It almost seems like HD is trying too hard to be a great caster, when he has a decent voice for it and good enough knowledge to get by - if he just went with it rather than forcing it I think it would be al ot better. I don't understand why they completely change their voices when something exciting happens - it comes across as contrived and fake. Husky starts squealing and HD turns into Scruff McGruff.

Also, Husky really should look at the camera more - I think HD definitely looks the more prepared of the two in both appearance and how he acts in front of the camera. He also seemed to be giving Husky opportunities to pick-up the conversation and keep things going during the silence, and then Husky would give a one or two sentence response and we'd have silence for 15 seconds. Very awkward.

I do appreciate what draw they do have to bring more casual players in and I fully understand why MLG went with them. I don't have a strong dislike for HD and Husky - as a lowly amateur caster myself I don't think I could realistically act like what they did early in the beta didn't have an impact on me getting into things myself. Both in Starcraft and in Street Fighter 4 where my main background is - there are people who have really started things and laid a path for the rest of us to follow. Small list of those that have really influenced me in just the past 6-7 months and made me want to get into casting just for the fun of it:

Seb (FADC - Fighting Game streams/casts)
Seth Killian (Amazing commentator for fighting games)
Day9
Tasteless (I'll be honest hear, I found out about Tasteless after Day9 and I haven't heard too much of his stuff, but what I have found is great)
Chill (Similar story to Tasteless, but I've actually found a bit and the BiggerT thing was just magic)
HD Starcraft
Raelcun (Rael's 36-hour cast is actually what really got me excited about getting into SC2 more as a commentator/streamer oddly enough - now I help the iCCup guys out and it's actually quite a lot of fun and they are all very helpful)

(Just wanted to say, there are tons of casters other than this that I greatly appreciate listening to and have since discovered, this list is just those that stood out as the one's that really made me think that BW/SC2 were enjoyable as spectator sports, and helped me realize just how much fun I have just talking about the game and watching higher level players play)


http://www.youtube.com/FuriousJodo - SC2/Misc Gaming Commentary/etc
kilian
Profile Joined August 2010
United States27 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#152
Commentating on any sport is supposed to follow a very simple format: Play-by-Play/Color Commentary and Insightful Analysis.

Day 9 is almost all insightful analysis while HD/Husky and most casters are completely play-by-play/color commentary.

It's frustrating to watch for any experienced player because the majority of the casts are not directed at the person who understands the game and what is going on but would prefer some exciting play-by-play with analysis thrown in there, but rather the uneducated fan who would prefer to sit at D- for the rest of his/her life, but loves to watch day9 dailies and vods all day long.

Such is life.

Mute the stream and turn on some music.
kilian
Profile Joined August 2010
United States27 Posts
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#153
As an addendum to my post, there is a reason UFC fans have a love/hate relationship for Mike Goldberg. He is a doofus. He puts on this air of knowing very little and is almost a figure that people love to hate for his "common man's" perception of the fights, but it is designed that way. Mike Goldberg has trained jiujitsu for a long time and is an intelligent analyst.

However, Joe Rogan is more capable in that sense, and as such Goldberg fills the role to provide a foil to Rogan's analysis.

This is a model that SC/SC2 casters should follow more closely.

HD/Husky as a pair are frustrating because they lack insight and still have the audacity/ego to try to assume the role of insight like a Day9. This is off putting.

It is equally so when Day 9 attempts to provide such a quirky style of color commentary when in reality he is better suited to providing insight.

I would think a teaming of HD/Day 9 would be much more enjoyable than HD/Husky or Day9/JP.

JP is by all accounts worthless for casting SC2.

The average TL viewer would probably know more than him, and that's really saying something.
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
August 28 2010 10:45 GMT
#154
Haha the funniest part is that HDH fans on their youtube channel saying day9 did bad job at commentating :D
yourwhiteshadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States442 Posts
August 28 2010 10:52 GMT
#155
"humans NUKED each other ALL THE TIME" lol...twice?

NOOKEELAR warfare. i HD and husky are very entertaining, but sometimes its like...what are you saying? there are worse commentators though.
Technical Director, Si Media Production, simediapro.com
jackalope
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan120 Posts
August 28 2010 10:52 GMT
#156
I like them all for different reasons.

HD + Husky for easy access to (hopefully) entertaining games on youtube whenever I'm bored.

Day9 + others for more in-depth, thought-provoking replays.

Shoutout to Psy who seems to succeed in both areas.
water in the lasers
TheFinalWord
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia790 Posts
August 28 2010 10:56 GMT
#157
On August 28 2010 19:12 DarkspearTribe wrote:
HD and Husky could be good casters if they would put effort in learning a game instead of doing whatever they can to earn more money off their huge fan base (Splitting videos, selling places for ads in their channel, asking for donations even when getting paid from google partnership, making T-shirts)

edit: I agree with person who said they need someone with knowledge to help them, because they talk a lot of nonsense
In their defence. Husky has cited unstable internet connection as the reason his video's are split although he does seem rather enthusiastic about his view rating. I don't know about HD but I haven't heard either of them talk about donations for months.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 28 2010 11:16 GMT
#158
I appreciate the direction HD is going, he tries to use his big boy caster voice, and he tried to look the part yesterday. He's kind of growing on me, he's not the most knowledgeable at all but I think there's a place for him up there.

I feel almost the direct opposite for Husky. I don't think he has the look or the physical presence to be in front of a camera, he just looks like an awkward, weird kid. I don't think he has the voice for it either. I turned off the stream because of his casting, hearing him get louder and more annoying when he gets excited was just not bearable for me. We all know his level of game knowledge. Just putting it all together, I can't see a reason for him to be up there, I think at this point he almost drags HD down since neither of them truly benefit from having the other there. I applaud his success on youtube and all that, but I feel like he just doesn't have it at all to take his casting further than that.
Mateo0
Profile Joined August 2010
France112 Posts
August 28 2010 11:22 GMT
#159
I just don't get what's the matter with "calls" I think casters/commentators trying to call things in a game is the worst thing EVER. Why would you want to hear them call things? It makes no sense, I want them to comment not to play a game of who gonna have the best call... I don't like calls in general, and good calls are even worst because casters take 5 minutes at least to say they did a good one.
m4553 always in my heart.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 11:27:20
August 28 2010 11:24 GMT
#160
HD Husky = gold level understanding of the game, max platinum.
Day9 = Diamond level ++++ understanding of the game.

Ofc day9 will be the better commentator, but having more commentators makes it abit easier for them I guess. Husky HD should learn abit more about the game , cus they keep saying stuff that are dead wrong, and predicting wrong on stuff that are obvious.
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