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ig0tfish
Profile Joined July 2009
United States345 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 19:20:17
August 27 2010 19:19 GMT
#541
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.

Tanks dont 1 shot marines anymore :D
nor drones
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
August 27 2010 19:19 GMT
#542
On August 28 2010 03:41 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 03:37 NATO wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:17 Crissaegrim wrote:
I really hope that they do not overnerf Protoss to a point where seeing them at a competitive level, much less owning at said level, is a rarity.


Already happening. See any protoss in the final 16 in IEM? Nope. Just 50% T, 50% Z.

Now it's going to be 75% Z, 25% T. (rough estimates)


lol I have a feeling your going to be wrong by a lot :D


He may be not be wrong by a lot, but he may be wrong by a stalker!

Zing.
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#543
Remember this is not the final patch notes, its just blizzard that wants to know what people think of the changes.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#544
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.


Yes it does. It opens up the possibility of using marines, which were made obsolete by tanks.
HansMoleman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#545
I know there was a thread on this way back during the beta, but with the +5 seconds warpgate cooldown, would it now be more reasonable to switch between warpgate and gateway alternating???
"Knowledge is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learn from schooling" -Albert Einstien
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#546
On August 28 2010 04:18 arsenic wrote:
To defend a 6/7 pool as Protoss, you just need to set up your wall on top of your ramp in a manner that fully blocks it off with two Gates or Gate and Cybernetics. Yes, this is possible even on a map such as Steppes of War and you can do it in time if you scout after Pylon. Zerglings take years to take down a building and Zealots are good against them.


This is a common misconception. Your wall (and the ONLY wall u can get in time against a ling rush) is one pylon, one gateway, and one zealot. Now you have to fully wall off (which screws you), or just hope to god your probe micro is as good as Bisu's (ie: which screws you).

It's a bad bad bad nerf.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#547
On August 28 2010 04:17 opiuman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


I think the facepalm was that tanks do the same amount to armored meaning that tanks vs marauders and tanks would be unchanged


Thank you for the insight.
Come get some
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 19:21:13
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#548
On August 28 2010 04:20 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.


Yes it does. It opens up the possibility of using marines, which were made obsolete by tanks.


Marines are still going to be bad against tanks.
EppE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States221 Posts
August 27 2010 19:20 GMT
#549
On August 28 2010 04:10 Dougz_G wrote:
please someone answer this, are these going to be the only balance changes for 1.1? or are these just some of what we can expect? if it is than WOW..such a small amount =S kinda disappointed, although i do like them all.


I would assume a bunch of bug fixes and if Blizzard holds true to form some ninja nerfs/buffs that they don't list.

The Zealot nerf doesn't make much difference in ZvT. The Reaper nerf helps Protoss with their Stalker though. It's still sad that Protoss HAVE to tech straight to Stalker but hopefully early Reaper rush will fall out of favor with this patch... in which case the Zealot nerf may actually matter. This should make PvP more interesting and PvZ better for the Zerg.

Siege Tanks getting nerfed is good. Terran still have alot of other viable units to support them so they only difference may be 1 or 2 less tanks in a push in favor of some other unit. BC's are like the GG unit, so they deserved a nerf. They really were an all around amazing unit for the price tag.

The Zerg change is more or less a buff in breaking down walls and a small nerf in killing units.

I'm optimistic atleast.
Jinsin5
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada44 Posts
August 27 2010 19:21 GMT
#550
In ZvZ you can defend a 6pool with a 13 pool easily using just your drones, you even have to kill a spine crawler before it can be completed. What is so different between 6pooling in ZvZ and ZvP, can't protoss just use probes to kill the zerglings while a zealot finishes production?

You could lose probably have your probes and still be in an economical advantage, anyone care to explain this?
opiuman
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States187 Posts
August 27 2010 19:22 GMT
#551
On August 28 2010 04:19 ig0tfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.

Tanks dont 1 shot marines anymore :D
nor drones


True but I feel like the non shotting marines might be useful if you want to either try to get a snipe in or use the marines as shields to get your tanks much closer. But with the viking spotting anyway this shouldn't really that big of a deal. It'll make a difference but I still feel like it won't be too much unless you really get marines everywhere or in extremely large numbers
So say we all.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 27 2010 19:22 GMT
#552
On August 28 2010 04:20 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:20 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.


Yes it does. It opens up the possibility of using marines, which were made obsolete by tanks.


Marines are still going to be bad against tanks.


Pure marines, yes. But MMM balls should be more viable. Marauders were pretty good against Tanks to begin with. Now marines will make them even better.

MMM is already a viable strategy in TvT, FYI.
Thunderflesh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States382 Posts
August 27 2010 19:22 GMT
#553
On August 28 2010 03:58 stroggos wrote:
heh, remember when tanks did 60 damage in beta and no one used them? funny times


Haha; you're right, I almost forgot about that...
You'll worry less about what people think about you when you realize how seldom they do.
dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
August 27 2010 19:22 GMT
#554
On August 28 2010 04:19 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 03:41 blade55555 wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:37 NATO wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:17 Crissaegrim wrote:
I really hope that they do not overnerf Protoss to a point where seeing them at a competitive level, much less owning at said level, is a rarity.


Already happening. See any protoss in the final 16 in IEM? Nope. Just 50% T, 50% Z.

Now it's going to be 75% Z, 25% T. (rough estimates)


lol I have a feeling your going to be wrong by a lot :D


He may be not be wrong by a lot, but he may be wrong by a stalker!

Zing.

seems MLG raleigh is observing the same race distribution trend btw
hope to see some tosses doing well in it
The_Pacifist
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States540 Posts
August 27 2010 19:22 GMT
#555
On August 28 2010 04:16 branflakes14 wrote:
This thread consists of:

1. Happy Zerg players.
2. Terran players who are glad to see the addition of chat channels.
3. Protoss players in tears.


I'm in group 1. My tears are finally beginning to dry.
Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
August 27 2010 19:23 GMT
#556
The tank damage change is probably the single best change blizzard has made since the beginning of beta. kudos Blizz.

Now we just need to take stim away from marauders and remove the banshee from the game hehe. Down with Terrans!!!
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
August 27 2010 19:23 GMT
#557
On August 28 2010 04:20 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:19 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:15 LuciferSC wrote:
On August 28 2010 04:10 junemermaid wrote:
On August 28 2010 03:59 LuciferSC wrote:
It's welcoming to hear chat channel implementation coming soon, but CANNOT believe Blizzard is nerfing Siege tank to that degree. It's absurd to say the least.

Siege dmg 50 to 35... wow, that's like cutting it in half.
Now we'll be seeing more maurader abuse, especially in TvT... bye bye to tanks in TvT.

If anything, restore tank at least back up to 40 or 45 dmg and nerf mauraders..

Can't believe that nerf.


*facepalm*


I don't mean to start a flaming war, but do you care to elaborate please?


Read the situation report again. Tanks still do the same amount to armored units. So it doesn't change any dynamic in TvT. At all. Whatsoever.


Yes it does. It opens up the possibility of using marines, which were made obsolete by tanks.


I wouldn't count on it. Just like marines are trash against colossus, marines are still trash against tanks.
the UMP says YER OUT
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
August 27 2010 19:23 GMT
#558
on steppes a 10 gate gets a zealot out in time, and you could conceivably wall off with a pylon on 14 and get the zealot out straight when the gate is done, but it will be 5 seconds late obviously. On scrap station well i guess just downvote that shit. Also i love how protoss is just now supposed to allow a zerg to fe and get lings out, so every pvz on is either a 6pool or a fast expand as protoss which, unless your high level, isnt the easiest thing to hold when the other guy goes speedlings.
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 27 2010 19:23 GMT
#559
I hope that post is only a few of the changes they plan to implement.

ps protoss nerf is hilarious. just hilarious.
starleague forever
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
August 27 2010 19:25 GMT
#560
On August 28 2010 04:20 EppE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 04:10 Dougz_G wrote:
please someone answer this, are these going to be the only balance changes for 1.1? or are these just some of what we can expect? if it is than WOW..such a small amount =S kinda disappointed, although i do like them all.


I would assume a bunch of bug fixes and if Blizzard holds true to form some ninja nerfs/buffs that they don't list.

The Zealot nerf doesn't make much difference in ZvT. The Reaper nerf helps Protoss with their Stalker though. It's still sad that Protoss HAVE to tech straight to Stalker but hopefully early Reaper rush will fall out of favor with this patch... in which case the Zealot nerf may actually matter. This should make PvP more interesting and PvZ better for the Zerg.

Siege Tanks getting nerfed is good. Terran still have alot of other viable units to support them so they only difference may be 1 or 2 less tanks in a push in favor of some other unit. BC's are like the GG unit, so they deserved a nerf. They really were an all around amazing unit for the price tag.

The Zerg change is more or less a buff in breaking down walls and a small nerf in killing units.

I'm optimistic atleast.


I'm pretty sure the Zealot nerf "doesnt make much of a difference in ZvT"! In ZvP though....
Zerg - because Browders sons hate 'em
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