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[G] Baneling Magic Boxes

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VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 00:42:30
August 25 2010 22:25 GMT
#1
Hello Teamliquid folks! Inspired by game one between Dimaga and Morrow on Steppes of War from the IEM, and the increasingly popular Mutalisk Magic Box technique, I sat down and explored potential ways to apply the magic box technique elsewhere in the Zerg arsenal.

This thread is not a semantic debate about the term 'Magic Box'. Please discuss the technique, not the title.


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In the game, Dimaga went muta-baneling versus Morrow's marines, tanks, and medivacs. In one major confrontation at the center of the map, Dimaga established a nice concave to let his banelings approach the bio ball from multiple flanks. However, Morrow's tanks proved too plentiful and Morrow suffered minimal casualties. Acid, futile acid, stained the fertile grasslands.


This technique can be used to reduce the effects of splash on baneling balls charging toward balls of marines who are supported by tanks. It also increases the baneling's potency versus a roach/hydra/infestor ball in ZvZ, since fungal growth is not as effective (and if you've never seen banelings tear up hydralisks, I suggest you go into a unit tester right now).

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A group of banelings looking to get shelled.

How it Works

As with mutalisks, a group of selected banelings are assigned a "magic box" which will cause the units to maintain their formation within that box when you issue a move command outside of it. If you manually spread out a small group of banelings and tell them to move, they will maintain their formation as they move. However, manually spacing out small groups banelings proves to be a demanding task, never mind spacing out 10+.

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Confident banelings marching to victory

Enter the PATROL command. When you select a group of banelings and issue a patrol command (not too near, not too far), they will gradually space themselves out as each individual baneling tries to execute their patrol. The STOP command will freeze the banelings in their formation, and when you tell them to move, they will maintain their formation. The system will have a hard time assigning a magic box for patrolling banelings which have assumed an erratic shape. A single click + STOP command will fix this, assuming you aren't dealing with too large a group.

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Coach Bobby Baneling delivers a pep talk as his rag-a-muffins get ready for the fight

With the patrol method of spreading your banelings, you can issue a patrol command when your banelings spawn in your base and forget about the patrol until you need them for a battle. Alternatively, you can wait a couple seconds, press STOP, and have your formations established prior to a battle.

Large Groups of Banelings

This technique only worked for me with groups of banelings no smaller than about 16-20. For larger baneling groups, the magic box system appears to have difficulties maintaining unit formations, and when you issue a move command, and they will cluster as they reach their destination. You can still issue a patrol command to spread them out, but afterward you must issue move commands in smaller groups. This is the only work-around I have come up with, if someone finds a better one, I invite you to share.

I implore you to explore the possibilities of this technique and share your experiences here. If you can refine this technique in any way, please also share.

Edit! See this thread for more uses of patrol micro to combat clustering! Sorry for not spotting it originally!
Nuda Veritas
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 25 2010 22:27 GMT
#2
cool find
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
August 25 2010 22:32 GMT
#3
Thanks for the find. These magic boxes will definitely change the game!
gerundium
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands786 Posts
August 25 2010 22:36 GMT
#4
Cool. Same works for zerglings and zealots i guess?
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
August 25 2010 22:38 GMT
#5
I love how slowly tiny micro tricks are found out, Magic boxing has been in my ZvT for AGES in my custom games (I'm T on ladder *hides*), but this is a good trick to space them out, gonna try that with marines too.. :D (to counter your precious banelings!!
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
August 25 2010 22:42 GMT
#6
I'm thats quite interesting, thanks
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
August 25 2010 22:46 GMT
#7
I really like that many of you applying this concept to the other races! Keep it up!
Nuda Veritas
Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
August 25 2010 22:49 GMT
#8
Not at home so I can't test but if this works for all units, this could be pretty important. Especially lings.
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 25 2010 22:50 GMT
#9
On August 26 2010 07:36 gerundium wrote:
Cool. Same works for zerglings and zealots i guess?

Yep there was a thread about using patrol with zealots earlier.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 25 2010 22:51 GMT
#10
This looks like a pretty cool technique. Will definitely help w/marine tank a lot. However, when dealing with pure bio, I think just letting them cluster is probably better so they don't get picked off 1 by 1.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
August 25 2010 22:53 GMT
#11
I like how in sc1 you had to do everything to bunch units up and ceep them together while the AI tried to scramble them.

While in sc2 you gotta try everything to ceep them from growing into a huga ball
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
August 25 2010 22:55 GMT
#12
didnt we have this already as patrol moving for anti cluster?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 25 2010 22:55 GMT
#13
This was actually found quite a while ago but still interesting.
Just tried it and while it spreads the banelings initially, attacking with a decent amount of banelings will still cause them to clump. Now what needs to be done is determine exactly how many banelings fit inside each magic box to prevent them from clumping when going on attack move.
Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 22:59:52
August 25 2010 22:59 GMT
#14
On August 26 2010 07:55 kNyTTyM wrote:
This was actually found quite a while ago but still interesting.
Just tried it and while it spreads the banelings initially, attacking with a decent amount of banelings will still cause them to clump. Now what needs to be done is determine exactly how many banelings fit inside each magic box to prevent them from clumping when going on attack move.


They'll always clump if you a move...the point of magic box is to just move, like with mutas.

besides, there is no reason to a move banelings, they still do damage even if enemy kills them.
Glacius0
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands66 Posts
August 25 2010 23:00 GMT
#15
I'd just like to add that every unit has a box size in which it maintains it's formation (bigger units have bigger boxes). If you make a selection that is bigger than this box then the units will clump when you issue a move command.
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
August 25 2010 23:01 GMT
#16
These "magic box" techniques are really interesting.

Does anyone know if there is a way to magic box terran mmm balls? /shivers..
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
August 25 2010 23:02 GMT
#17
Nice, thanks!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Zeromadcowz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada241 Posts
August 25 2010 23:03 GMT
#18
you can magic box anything, thats the point, there is just a limit on the amount of units since the box size is always the same
SpicyCrab
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
402 Posts
August 25 2010 23:03 GMT
#19
I think it'd be neat if Blizz increased the magic box side across the board for all units.
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kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
August 25 2010 23:05 GMT
#20
could be useful, thx!
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