EPTCan players at live tournaments hear casters?
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wuddersup
United States228 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Gedrah
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:44 alexanderzero wrote: Those headphones were so huge because they included soundproofing. I've worn sound protective earphones like that before when doing some loud work at a job and I would expect that they do just fine keeping the players from hearing the casters. this would be accurate.  | ||
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vanskater
United States146 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
I believe that's how we're doing it at i40. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: I've also heard of tournaments that use in-airs for the sound combined with over-ear protective soundproofing headgear. You basically can't hear the casters in that situations, or loosen your headphones without being noticed. I believe that's how we're doing it at i40. this is the most common setup I've seen, at least watching BW. | ||
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wuddersup
United States228 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:52 bjwithbraces wrote: this is the most common setup I've seen, at least watching BW. Yeah in ear headphone+sound blockers+soundproof booth. | ||
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Wuffey
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:44 Backpack wrote: It'll be interesting to see how MLG does it since players are required to bring their own headsets Booths are the best option, or having players in a separate room to ensure fair play imo. | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
I guess the players probably don't care? I'd be interested to hear their opinion. Maybe they can hear the crowd reactions through the headphones faintly anyway. | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:49 DuneBug wrote: It seems like you'd want them to be able to hear the crowd reactions to really awesome play... But at the same time that might give something away. I guess the players probably don't care? I'd be interested to hear their opinion. Maybe they can hear the crowd reactions through the headphones faintly anyway. It's a big deal. It can often let you know something big is about to happen. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Slo
Germany7 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote: the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware. As far as i know the esl is using senheiser headphones develope for the use in helicoperts, propeller and turboprop aircrafts. http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_aviation_active-noise_500788 http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_aviation_active-noise_500561?Open&path=professional_aviation_active-noise both +500€ | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:49 DuneBug wrote: It seems like you'd want them to be able to hear the crowd reactions to really awesome play... But at the same time that might give something away. I guess the players probably don't care? I'd be interested to hear their opinion. Maybe they can hear the crowd reactions through the headphones faintly anyway. If a proxy rax is built in the center of the map (or wherever), the crowd will most likely go wild/start screaming or something. This will easily raise a red flag for the player as to "what the fuck are they screaming for nothing is going on-or is there". | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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Babbon
Netherlands15 Posts
but maybe he just saw the crowd cheering and reacted to that | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
Has anyone seen the Boxer vs Blackman video, where the English commentator was saying Boxer is responding do well, he must be able to hear the commentators. Most biased commentator ever, anyone know who it is? | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:55 Wuffey wrote: Some player said he could hear the comentators talk but it was absolutely impossible to understand what they say. wasn't that madfrog who were using steelseries siberia instead of those soundproof things TLO were wearing? | ||
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dbddbddb
Singapore969 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote: the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware. white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol. on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys? | ||
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bombcar
United States68 Posts
I suspect that it's mainly that they can't pay attention to it, though I've seen a few pictures where the contestants are it little boxes. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On August 25 2010 05:22 Telcontar wrote: i seem to remember white-ra playing with his ipod earphones? surely thats not soundproof.... He was wearing headphones over them when the game started but he kept taking them off during the interim. From what Ive seen of WC3 and BW competition play that always seemed to wear that combination of ipod style within sound cancelling.. Though to the OP I do remember TLO stopped the madfrog showmatch to say he could hear the casters and he got given those sound cancelling ones. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
On August 25 2010 05:04 dbddbddb wrote: white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol. on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys? From my experience of streaming of any kind, there is a significant enough of a delay that absurd amounts of cheating is a bit difficult to pull off. Depending on the connection and stream provider, the delay can vary from several seconds, to a whole minute or more. | ||
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Yurie
11831 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:35 ktimekiller wrote: From my experience of streaming of any kind, there is a significant enough of a delay that absurd amounts of cheating is a bit difficult to pull off. Depending on the connection and stream provider, the delay can vary from several seconds, to a whole minute or more. If you are using that method it is probably better to use a middle man. Somebody that watches the stream and only adds important things for you, things that actually matter with regards to the delay. Otherwise you would get overly distracted trying to listen to everything. Some casters almost scream at certain points, I would most likely lose a lot of focus listening to that compared to somebody just saying, he is proxying or he is hiding a starport in the north half of his base. This is probably one of the reasons why LAN tournaments are higher regarded. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
@ totalbiscuit, iseries just hope that your headphones are good enough to not hear the shoutcasters (for when they do cast the finals if they have a proper stage set up) due to them not having any stage headphones. | ||
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
On August 25 2010 02:41 wuddersup wrote:And even if they did, couldn't a player just loosen them a bit? Or am I being even stupider than I think? | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
especially after watching IEM finals In game 1 idra went for roach speed before getting enough roaches while game 2 was setting up day9 and apollo commented about that mistake and Idra didn't repeat that later... Clearly Idra is kind of player that doesn't need tips but it made me wonder if he heard them... Once again : it was between two games not in game!!! Also I'm pretty sure MorroW wasn't even wearing headsets while game 3 or 4 was setting up In game I don't think you can hear anything... you need to focus on game not on some whispers... | ||
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/a/a8/TLOMadfrog.jpg madfrog actually has a pair of steelseries headphones next to him but he likely isn't allowed to use them because you could easily hear the casters. i think what with having such huge headphones blocking out almost all sound plus having them playback the game sound, they can't hear anything at all. nor do i think they really want to. i know for some people there would be an incentive to cheat, but i feel that players of, say, tlo's caliber would rather win based on their own skill than win based off of a tip-off from the casters. that's what i would want to do, anyway. | ||
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blacktoss
United States121 Posts
On August 25 2010 08:23 Bleb wrote: I also wondered about that especially after watching IEM finals In game 1 idra went for roach speed before getting enough roaches while game 2 was setting up day9 and apollo commented about that mistake and Idra didn't repeat that later... Clearly Idra is kind of player that doesn't need tips but it made me wonder if he heard them... Once again : it was between two games not in game!!! Also I'm pretty sure MorroW wasn't even wearing headsets while game 3 or 4 was setting up In game I don't think you can hear anything... you need to focus on game not on some whispers... Idra is good enough of a player to catch his own mistakes and adapt to them by the next game. | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On August 25 2010 05:04 dbddbddb wrote: white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol. on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys? well i played a few small online tournaments that was put up by a few communities here and there and what they did was simply to stream replays after the match was finished so it was still in the tournament day, just about an hour or so later | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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hydezyne
United States38 Posts
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