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Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
August 24 2010 19:43 GMT
#21
most players also have the game sounds on fairly loud, and immense focus on the game will usually prevent them from even hearing anything.
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Babbon
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands15 Posts
August 24 2010 19:47 GMT
#22
I remember at the start of one of the games, Day9 told the crowd to cheer for Dimaga, and when they did Dimaga smiled and gestured to the crowd or something.
but maybe he just saw the crowd cheering and reacted to that
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 24 2010 19:53 GMT
#23
From the looks of it the big headphones do look like those ones on helicopters so it doesn't kill your ears. I'd imagine you couldn't hear anything but the in-game sound.

Has anyone seen the Boxer vs Blackman video, where the English commentator was saying Boxer is responding do well, he must be able to hear the commentators. Most biased commentator ever, anyone know who it is?
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lindn
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden833 Posts
August 24 2010 19:56 GMT
#24
On August 25 2010 02:55 Wuffey wrote:
Some player said he could hear the comentators talk but it was absolutely impossible to understand what they say.

wasn't that madfrog who were using steelseries siberia instead of those soundproof things TLO were wearing?
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 20:06:16
August 24 2010 20:04 GMT
#25
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote:
the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware.


white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol.

on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys?
bombcar
Profile Joined April 2010
United States68 Posts
August 24 2010 20:05 GMT
#26
The noise canceling headphones I have are designed to remove engine noise (Bose Aviation) - you can still hear people talking when you have them on.

I suspect that it's mainly that they can't pay attention to it, though I've seen a few pictures where the contestants are it little boxes.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 24 2010 20:22 GMT
#27
i seem to remember white-ra playing with his ipod earphones? surely thats not soundproof....
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Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
August 24 2010 20:45 GMT
#28
On August 25 2010 05:22 Telcontar wrote:
i seem to remember white-ra playing with his ipod earphones? surely thats not soundproof....

He was wearing headphones over them when the game started but he kept taking them off during the interim. From what Ive seen of WC3 and BW competition play that always seemed to wear that combination of ipod style within sound cancelling..


Though to the OP I do remember TLO stopped the madfrog showmatch to say he could hear the casters and he got given those sound cancelling ones.
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
August 24 2010 22:35 GMT
#29
On August 25 2010 05:04 dbddbddb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote:
the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware.


white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol.

on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys?



From my experience of streaming of any kind, there is a significant enough of a delay that absurd amounts of cheating is a bit difficult to pull off.

Depending on the connection and stream provider, the delay can vary from several seconds, to a whole minute or more.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12091 Posts
August 24 2010 22:42 GMT
#30
On August 25 2010 07:35 ktimekiller wrote:
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On August 25 2010 05:04 dbddbddb wrote:
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote:
the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware.


white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol.

on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys?



From my experience of streaming of any kind, there is a significant enough of a delay that absurd amounts of cheating is a bit difficult to pull off.

Depending on the connection and stream provider, the delay can vary from several seconds, to a whole minute or more.


If you are using that method it is probably better to use a middle man. Somebody that watches the stream and only adds important things for you, things that actually matter with regards to the delay. Otherwise you would get overly distracted trying to listen to everything. Some casters almost scream at certain points, I would most likely lose a lot of focus listening to that compared to somebody just saying, he is proxying or he is hiding a starport in the north half of his base.

This is probably one of the reasons why LAN tournaments are higher regarded.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 24 2010 23:01 GMT
#31
i remember white-ra only using some in ear plugs in his first game at IEM, afterwards he had to put the big headphones on additionally
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dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
August 24 2010 23:07 GMT
#32
ive used the esl headphones, i could hear shoutcasters at the eps finals just, but thats because they locked the sound on the headphones to 40% i think it was, if it was any louder i wouldn't of been able to hear the mutter in the background.
@ totalbiscuit, iseries just hope that your headphones are good enough to not hear the shoutcasters (for when they do cast the finals if they have a proper stage set up) due to them not having any stage headphones.
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
August 24 2010 23:08 GMT
#33
On August 25 2010 02:41 wuddersup wrote:And even if they did, couldn't a player just loosen them a bit? Or am I being even stupider than I think?




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Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
August 24 2010 23:23 GMT
#34
I also wondered about that
especially after watching IEM finals
In game 1 idra went for roach speed before getting enough roaches
while game 2 was setting up day9 and apollo commented about that mistake and Idra didn't repeat that later... Clearly Idra is kind of player that doesn't need tips but it made me wonder if he heard them... Once again : it was between two games not in game!!!
Also I'm pretty sure MorroW wasn't even wearing headsets while game 3 or 4 was setting up

In game I don't think you can hear anything... you need to focus on game not on some whispers...
universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
August 24 2010 23:35 GMT
#35
they tend to use super heavy duty headphones. you'll notice that in this picture

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/a/a8/TLOMadfrog.jpg

madfrog actually has a pair of steelseries headphones next to him but he likely isn't allowed to use them because you could easily hear the casters.

i think what with having such huge headphones blocking out almost all sound plus having them playback the game sound, they can't hear anything at all.

nor do i think they really want to. i know for some people there would be an incentive to cheat, but i feel that players of, say, tlo's caliber would rather win based on their own skill than win based off of a tip-off from the casters. that's what i would want to do, anyway.
blacktoss
Profile Joined August 2010
United States121 Posts
August 24 2010 23:41 GMT
#36
On August 25 2010 08:23 Bleb wrote:
I also wondered about that
especially after watching IEM finals
In game 1 idra went for roach speed before getting enough roaches
while game 2 was setting up day9 and apollo commented about that mistake and Idra didn't repeat that later... Clearly Idra is kind of player that doesn't need tips but it made me wonder if he heard them... Once again : it was between two games not in game!!!
Also I'm pretty sure MorroW wasn't even wearing headsets while game 3 or 4 was setting up

In game I don't think you can hear anything... you need to focus on game not on some whispers...


Idra is good enough of a player to catch his own mistakes and adapt to them by the next game.
lindn
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden833 Posts
August 24 2010 23:41 GMT
#37
On August 25 2010 05:04 dbddbddb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2010 02:46 vanskater wrote:
the headphones that you saw at iem are the same noise cancleing phones that the people on the airport runways ware.


white-ra was using earphones, as in those little things you put in your ear lol.

on this topic: wouldn't online tournament players simply be able to tune in to the stream if there is one and pretty much know what exactly is going on? i'm sure many players will have integrity and play honestly but isn't it just too simple to cheat during online tourneys?

well i played a few small online tournaments that was put up by a few communities here and there and what they did was simply to stream replays after the match was finished so it was still in the tournament day, just about an hour or so later
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
August 24 2010 23:44 GMT
#38
Like others have said in the thread, they aren't using some cheapo pair of headphones. Those things are HEAVY DUTY noise cancellation headphones. The only thing I would be worried about by not playing in a booth is that sometimes the crowd can tip-off a proxy. We all know that sometimes sound is so loud that you can feel it. I'm sure that there are certain times that the players on-stage can feel the crowd cheering. If this is in mid-game or late-game it's probably not a huge deal but, early on when the game just started I'm sure most of them would have alarm bells go off.
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
August 25 2010 00:52 GMT
#39
usually no, but if you try really hard, yes you can hear some of the crowd especially the way IEM did it
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hydezyne
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States38 Posts
August 25 2010 00:57 GMT
#40
I'm pretty sure most players cannot hear the commentators or the crowd reactions in the tournaments. It seems logical that the outside stimuli is reduced as much as possible to prevent influencing the players' decisions.
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