EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 747
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AntiSanityMan
Canada28 Posts
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SolonTLG
United States299 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:27 eviltomahawk wrote: I can see why everyone cheesed on the short-lived DMZ. It looks terrible! .... I think it is quite ironic that a Korean Proleague had a map called DMZ, lol! Edit: DMZ = De-militarized Zone, and is the de facto border between North Korean and South Korean | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:36 Enervate wrote: If only people weren't forced to play a certain zerg against their will... Oh wait. Also, do you have any counterpoints to their argument, or are you just complaining that Idra isn't there to think for you? what does your first part of your post mean>? i cant decifer. idra isnt here to think for me? did you even read my football analogy with regards to the point above it? | ||
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Duoma
United States396 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:39 Jibba wrote: Ok, that was probably my favorite SotG of all time. iNc totally changed my perspective on Nydus, and the BW talk at the end was amazing. <3 Haypro, Spanishwa, DRG (korean zerg) have been doing this for awhie on their streams. I saw DRG do this months ago. SOTG guys act like no zergs have explored this. | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
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LoCaD
Germany1634 Posts
is SotG on some sort of Timelimit i got normaly the Impression they talk so long till there is nothing more to talk about. I felt like many intresting Topics got negated this week. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:29 WniO wrote: seriously... having 4 non zergs arguing that zerg is fine is really fucking annoying. i wonder how long the excuse will be that "Well you know, the game is, really young, so i mean you need to realize that things might be discovered, which will help zerg out." 1 year? 2 years? till HotS? *EVEN IF* zergs units were perfectly balanced against toss/terrans units, it would still be fundamentally imbalanced due to the options t/p has against zerg. for instance, There are 2 football teams, (american football.) Red and Blue. They both are completely even in all aspects, but team Red only has a third of the playcalls that the Blue team has. Red has to practice defending 3 times the amount of plays that blue has, and they only have a third of the plays that they can choose for offence... obviously blue will win more often than not. Thats what starcraft 2 is like for zerg! They are team Red! I find it pretty amazing how you can listen to those players talking, making sense and not be able to take in absolutely anything they're saying. Their entire point was that this mentality is totally pointless and if people spent the time they did whining about balance into actually experimenting, playing and trying to figure the game out it'd be a way better use of time. | ||
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Man.Magic
United States178 Posts
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Drium
United States888 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:29 WniO wrote: seriously... having 4 non zergs arguing that zerg is fine is really fucking annoying. i wonder how long the excuse will be that "Well you know, the game is, really young, so i mean you need to realize that things might be discovered, which will help zerg out." 1 year? 2 years? till HotS? Well, it took what, 5 years after the last balance patch for Bisu to revolutionize pvz? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:32 elmizzt wrote: Wow. Come on, this episode was NOT about "zerg is fine". Fucking ridiculous whining in this thread. Agreed. SotG isn't arguing that Zerg isn't imbalanced. In fact, most of the guys have argued that there is imbalance. However, they do agree on the following: 1. Current standard Zerg play is weak against Protoss simply because current standard Zerg play is flawed. Zergs should get out of the mentality of building up their ball to counter the opponent's ball. 2. There is still a TON of stuff needing to be discovered, especially regarding creative Nydus use and mass Infestor play. Until Zergs can definitively say that they have completely every nook and cranny of their metagame, there is still the possibility that there may be the magic build that can make Zerg OP in ZvX. 3. There were even worse imbalances in BW, yet players found a way of persevering over time with solutions to those imbalances. I agree with everyone saying that Zerg play is currently UP. However, I do not agree that they are in any immediate need of a magic patch to "fix" them, especially since any premature buff may make Zerg horribly OP if the metagame ends up changing in favor of Zergs. | ||
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whatdoido
United States80 Posts
So, is there a continuation of this discussion on another stream or podcast? I just want to listen to day9, tyler, and incontrol talk about broodwar ... or anything, really. When can I expect this? Can I pay money for this? | ||
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gundream
United States229 Posts
 ) so he can say he played that at least! | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:39 Jibba wrote: Ok, that was probably my favorite SotG of all time. iNc totally changed my perspective on Nydus, and the BW talk at the end was amazing. <3 No he didn't... he just stated the obvious, yet many zergs still don't want to try it. Being able to teleport armies around the map is... actually amazing. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:39 Spicy Pepper wrote: I'm sorry that using sarcasm has touched a nerve, but I'm no more facetious than the SOTG guys. The argument I'm making is just ONE argument. Have some pros zergs on the SOTG podcast that will advocate why zergs aren't imbalanced and what zergs should do. In none of my posts, did I personally argue that zerg is imbalanced. What the SOTG guys have done is strawman the pro zergs' arguments about how zerg is imbalanced, and basically laughed at guys like Idra and Artosis when they came on to argue their points. The simplest way to show how pro zergs are wrong to argue how zerg is imbalanced is to have ONE show with multiple pro zergs that will argue why zerg IS NOT imbalanced. The SotG guys arent' being facetious, I suspect they sincerely believe what they say. You keep asking for a pro Zerg who won't argue that Zerg is imbalanced; we get it, there probably isn't one. These players are saying "who cares?" The great ones make it happen. In BW, there is a reverence for players like Boxer, iloveoov and Savior(erm..) because they changed the game - through micro, macro, build order, mechanics...whatever. Zerg has GREAT players, given the time, they will develop the metagame as well. | ||
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Duoma
United States396 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:40 Spicy Pepper wrote: Haypro, Spanishwa, DRG (korean zerg) have been doing this for awhie on their streams. I saw DRG do this months ago. SOTG guys act like no zergs have explored this. Fairly certain Day9 explicitly mentioned Spanishiwa in reference to nydus use. They weren't saying that no one uses it well and that they just discovered this amazing new unit/building. What they were saying is that not enough zergs are exploring its possibilities. The theme of that statement was that people are still learning the game. No one has it completely figured out yet. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:40 Kiarip wrote: If you think that that's how fundamentally broken zerg is... Don't play zerg. but make sure that when you play VS zerg, you win EVERY SINGLE GAME, because it'd be a damn shame and embarrassment if you lost to the "red team." i play random now, and of course i lose to zergs... im not perfect, and i never said ppl should always win vs zerg. zerg is fundamentally broken, which does not mean they can never win. | ||
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Fingo
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evoli
United States333 Posts
The chat that Geoff, Sean, and Tyler had near the end of the podcast was spot on. So many people are eager to make excuses for their play these days, when there is really so much more to be gained from taking a long, hard your own play. I'd love to see the community get a depth to it like the Broodwar community had. The remarks on imbalance are often unbased; maybe it you lost because you could have played better. Maybe there are a few too many little mistakes in your play that lost you the game. There are too many cop outs now. I think folks need to start owning up to their mistakes and concerning themselves with trying to be better. If you want to get down to it, most losses are avoidable had you just played better. It doesn't/shouldn't matter if their strat was easier to execute or took less talent than yours did; YOU most likely could have played better and snagged that win. Isn't the goal to better YOURSELF anyway? You should be interested in improving, even if it means trying/working harder than someone else. | ||
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