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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
April 13 2011 05:34 GMT
#14881
All this BW talk makes me want to go dust it off. D:
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 05:35:07
April 13 2011 05:34 GMT
#14882
Does anyone know the reasoning behind the phoenix, hallucination, and observer buffs/cheapening?

PvZ was pretty even in terms of win rates (at least in the pro level)...

It just seems like that's the patch where protoss started to destroy everyone, and it came around the time where MC showed every other protoss how strong 2 base gateway sentry pushes are as well ><

Oh well... just have to wait
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Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
April 13 2011 05:34 GMT
#14883
I love hearing these guys talk about Brood War, they seem so happy looking back on it :D
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
April 13 2011 05:35 GMT
#14884
On April 13 2011 14:27 eviltomahawk wrote:
I can see why everyone cheesed on the short-lived DMZ. It looks terrible!

[image loading]

Holy shit lol.

LOVE brood war history lessons. Really shows how raw SC2 is. It feels like we're at ~30% in terms of knowledge and development.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
April 13 2011 05:35 GMT
#14885
There's definitely a lot more "pep" in their voice talking about BW than about SC2.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
April 13 2011 05:35 GMT
#14886
I'm having flash backs of 98-02, great times great times
Meeks
Profile Joined March 2011
United States132 Posts
April 13 2011 05:35 GMT
#14887
Tyler droppin' knowledge bombs
Go Big or go Home
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 05:38:22
April 13 2011 05:36 GMT
#14888
On April 13 2011 14:29 WniO wrote:
seriously... having 4 non zergs arguing that zerg is fine is really fucking annoying. i wonder how long the excuse will be that "Well you know, the game is, really young, so i mean you need to realize that things might be discovered, which will help zerg out." 1 year? 2 years? till HotS?

*EVEN IF* zergs units were perfectly balanced against toss/terrans units, it would still be fundamentally imbalanced due to the options t/p has against zerg. for instance,

There are 2 football teams, (american football.) Red and Blue. They both are completely even in all aspects, but team Red only has a third of the playcalls that the Blue team has. Red has to practice defending 3 times the amount of plays that blue has, and they only have a third of the plays that they can choose for offence... obviously blue will win more often than not.

Thats what starcraft 2 is like for zerg! They are team Red!


If only people weren't forced to play as zerg against their will... Oh wait.

Also, do you have any counterpoints to their argument, or are you just complaining that Idra isn't there to think for you?
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 05:37:59
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14889
On April 13 2011 14:34 WniO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 14:32 elmizzt wrote:
On April 13 2011 14:29 WniO wrote:
seriously... having 4 non zergs arguing that zerg is fine is really fucking annoying. i wonder how long the excuse will be that "Well you know, the game is, really young, so i mean you need to realize that things might be discovered, which will help zerg out." 1 year? 2 years? till HotS?

*EVEN IF* zergs units were perfectly balanced against toss/terrans units, it would still be fundamentally imbalanced due to the options t/p has against zerg. for instance,

There are 2 football teams, (american football.) Red and Blue. They both are completely even in all aspects, but team Red only has a third of the playcalls that the Blue team has. Red has to practice defending 3 times the amount of plays that blue has, and they only have a third of the plays that they can choose for offence... obviously blue will win more often than not.

Thats what starcraft 2 is like for zerg! They are team Red!


Wow. Come on, this episode was NOT about "zerg is fine". Fucking ridiculous whining in this thread.

yeah no you're right they didnt talk about it for a half hour.

If you were paying attention, they weren't.

They should just make SOTG about BW full time, very enjoyable nostalgia show
d=(^_^)z
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14890
lol jp you jerk XD
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14891
JP with the awkward cutoff! Well played sir, awesome SOTG.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14892
Throwback Sotg please
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Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14893
rofl. the most perfect way to end this strange episode.
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14894
great end of the show, really enjoyed the nostalgia from the players.
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
Jacuzzi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States528 Posts
April 13 2011 05:37 GMT
#14895
JP, you're my hero.
LightWireEX
Profile Joined September 2010
United States387 Posts
April 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#14896
lol wow jp definitely just closed the show cause he couldn't contribute anything, the start was crap and it finally starts getting good and it closes it off. bad move there.
ghOst.3344
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 05:39:06
April 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#14897
CUGUYSNEXTWEEK

Im glad the bw nostalgia lifted them of their depression. that was too cute
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
April 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#14898
LMFAO wp
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
April 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#14899
Lol JP seriously??? ahahaha;;

I loved the bw talk.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#14900
The cast ended suddenly just like
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
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