EPTDay9 always says you can't just say "you know what, having 5 voidrays here is nice, you have to consider how you get there", but now he says "you know what, use nyduses".
Have some pro zergs on to talk about how you get there.
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
Day9 always says you can't just say "you know what, having 5 voidrays here is nice, you have to consider how you get there", but now he says "you know what, use nyduses". Have some pro zergs on to talk about how you get there. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote: I have an idea. Why can't SOTG find a few zergs to have on one week that will advocate why zerg ISN'T imbalanced. Having 2 protosses, and Day9 (a sc2 amateur) talk about what a zerg can do at a professional level doesn't carry that much weight, when all the community hears zergs from FruitDealer to Nestea to Idra to Catz say that zerg is underpowered. Day9 always says you can't just say "you know what, having 5 voidrays here is nice, you have to consider how you get there", but now he says "you know what, use nyduses". Have some pro zergs on to talk about how you get there. His name is IdrA... he's on more than half of the SotGs | ||
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Nakas
United States148 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:07 Kazzabiss wrote: Because Zerg players are too stubborn to try new things, and just refer to their hardships/losses as imbalance Sorry, but no... this SotG is stupid. They should have had this discussion last week with Idra, so it wouldn't be such a one-sided argument. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
Yet every time this happens, protoss just attacks and melts your base, while cannoning up whatever base you are not attacking. Once your base is gone (protoss will kill a zergs far faster), they just go back and defend their remaining stuff... It has happened a lot, especially in GSL o_0 It even happens to terran. Every time a protoss senses your army can't beat theirs, they just push and win. It doesn't matter if you lose all your probes, your army is weaker than theirs and they are in your production buildings.. | ||
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haylmfao
124 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
Look at interviews that Artosis has done with Korean pros. The non-zergs are saying that zerg is imbalanced. SOTG is now resorting to a strawman of what the zergs are arguing. ie. Tyler's silly voice. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:04 Jibba wrote: Ok, that scourge example is probably the best I've ever heard. I would agree, but Tyler's opinion doesn't matter. He hasn't won anything yet. Remember? (Am I right?) :7 | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:09 Kazzabiss wrote: His name is IdrA... he's on more than half of the SotGs Have you read what I said. I said find zergs that will argue that zerg ISN'T imbalanced. ISN'T! | ||
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Inflexion
Canada560 Posts
I really want to hear his opinion regarding this conversation. | ||
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haylmfao
124 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote: I have an idea. Why can't SOTG find a few zergs to have on one week that will advocate why zerg ISN'T imbalanced. Having 2 protosses, and Day9 (a sc2 amateur) talk about what a zerg can do at a professional level doesn't carry that much weight, when all the community hears zergs from FruitDealer to Nestea to Idra to Catz say that zerg is underpowered. Day9 always says you can't just say "you know what, having 5 voidrays here is nice, you have to consider how you get there", but now he says "you know what, use nyduses". Have some pro zergs on to talk about how you get there. They did have Idra on last week, when he tried discussing balance everyone just laughed him off. I know it's Idra but still, they don't even really want to consider opinions other than their own. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:12 Spicy Pepper wrote: I said find zergs that will argue that zerg ISN'T imbalanced. ISN'T! Uhh at the top level those don't exist. | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:12 Spicy Pepper wrote: Have you read what I said. I said find zergs that will argue that zerg ISN'T imbalanced. ISN'T! They don't exist But that's also Day9 | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:13 haylmfao wrote: They did have Idra on last week, when he tried discussing balance everyone just laughed him off. I know it's Idra but still, they don't even really want to consider opinions other than their own. yeah, it's annoying. They'll basically circle jerk each other's opinions about why zerg isn't imbalanced, but last week, Day9 says he doesn't even want to discuss it, and just laughs whenever Idra says anything. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:06 GwSC wrote: Obviously, but he knows a lot more about what its like to play Zerg at higher levels than the rest of the cast. Um.... Incontrol was a Z player in bw and is a Z coach in sc2... While artosis knows a lot about the game and Z, I wouldn't say that he knows a lot more than incontrol. | ||
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Domination
United States1177 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:05 blade55555 wrote: Agreed. Its so true I actually completely forgot about that lol ^_^ Yes so obvious but somehow I've never seen that comparison. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote:Have some pro zergs on to talk about how you get there. I'm at the point where i don't want to hear from any pro zergs anymore. It feels like the vocal ones have given up, and i think they're wrong to do so. It's depressing, like, "oh no, here's the emo zerg let's hear him cry about how he can't do anything". Reminds me of a few months ago when Geoff and Tyler (this discussion making them hypocrites likely) were saying how the only thing they could do was go Colossi and thus Protoss were weak (paraphrasing of course). It was the most pathetic shit i ever heard. Now Protoss is winning and they're telling Zerg to explore their options. Now to be fair Geoff did admit at the time that perhaps there are new things they could do (ie: build units not from a robo) but he sounded pretty emo and defeated. Not at a Zerg level like they are today, where it feels they (or at least Idra) have given up completely. But it was close. I like how things go in cycles. Pretty hilarious. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote: Are any top Zerg players actually experimenting with Nydus? By experiment I mean playing a week's worth of games using Nydus every game that goes past 12 minutes. You can't figure out the best use for Nydus without using it a ton in a ton of different scenarios. Someone might stumble upon something good. I think vibe uses them. | ||
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