EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 642
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
 would love to see how tyler hyping a bit for mondi since we all gonna know there is a friggin badass for mym coming up! (if mondragon remains lucky) | ||
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SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:47 joheinous wrote: It shouldn't be. Atheism is the opposite of religion as it does not ask for blind faith but knowledge accrued through consistent scientific methods. If you're an atheist and you consider it a religion you're doing it wrong  I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. | ||
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Zorkmid
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. Atheism isn't necessarily equivalent to belief in only things that science can verify. There were atheists before Aristotle even invented the scientific method, atheism is a broad tent that includes both Richard Dawkins and people who simply don't believe in a higher power. | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. Religiosity is a belief in a supernatural power. Science is not supernatural, and atheism is not the belief in science. It's not a religion. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. ok im now saying there is an invisible force called randy the rattlesnake....he the creator and inventor of everything, and he created the universe out of cereals while having breakfast....NOW PROOF ME WRONG SCIENCE DOOD..... nono sorry thats not the way how it works.... | ||
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UpHeaVaL
Canada57 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:26 BasedSwag wrote: Religiosity is a belief in a supernatural power. Science is not supernatural, and atheism is not the belief in science. It's not a religion. This. Idiots always "bite" off more than they can chew. | ||
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zocktol
Germany1928 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. Ehm no, you seem to have no idea how science works. Nothing is accepted until you prove it. It does not work in the way, that everything is right until proven wrong. SOOOO exited for this weeks episode. MLG, TSL and GSL WC, so much happening right now, i hope for a 3 hours cast :D | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. A religion is a cultural system that creates powerful and long-lasting meaning, by establishing symbols that relate humanity to beliefs and values. That is, according to Wikipedia. Atheïsm just says 'there is no deity'. Atheïsm does not give you rules, ways to build a society or restrictions to cultural expression. It just says, 'there is no deity'. Not believing something that has no proof is not a religion; in that case not believing in unicorns, extraterrestial live or similar ideas is a religion as well for the simple reason that some people do believe in these concepts. A religion is a system that provides cultural meaning, rules to live by or restrictions within several area's. Atheïsm however does not mean that everything is possible and that widespread decay of society is something to live by. People find cultural meaning, rules, restrictions and art in different concepts. You do not need religion to live well or to live wrong, but it might influence what we find good or bad, something that non-religious concepts can do as well. Agnosticism however does has several problems. When I would ask an Agnost, "do unicorns exist?", or "does a giant invisible purple umbrella orbit the planet Saturn?" they will say "No, don't be silly!". However, ask them if God exists and they won't answer, while God does belong in the same group as the aforementioned conceps. It just that we know God better due to our cultural background and the country we live in, the fact that Christianity and Islam have strong expansionistic idealogies within their history and that many believe in it. However, saying that many people believe in object A does not make in more valid than the five people that believe in subject B. As an true Agnost, you should see the chance for the existence of God equal to the giant invisible purple umbrella. However, only few Agnosts actually do this, making it a difficult subject to actually follow. | ||
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Sky Net
United States134 Posts
Edit: Also atheism does NOT mean only believing in things that are verified by science yadda yadda. You can be some sort of post-modernist who thinks science is just another religion and still be an atheist. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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Centorian
United States95 Posts
On a related note: sooo excited for this weeks cast with all the tournament results. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:45 Centorian wrote: Stop the god vs science discussion. WTF is it doing in this thread?? On a related note: sooo excited for this weeks cast with all the tournament results. QFT. This is the State of the Game thread, not a religion/worldview thread. | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:40 Sky Net wrote:Edit: Also atheism does NOT mean only believing in things that are verified by science yadda yadda. You can be some sort of post-modernist who thinks science is just another religion and still be an atheist. Correct. To be specific, the belief that only science can provide knowledge is called logical positivism, marked by belief in the verification principle. Logical positivism actually self-destructs, because it itself is not a scientific statement, making belief in it contradictory. | ||
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joheinous
Iceland522 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:22 SharkSpider wrote: I'll bite. Atheist: We believe only in things verified by science! Someone: So does god exist? Atheist: Obviously not! Someone: Verify that with science? Atheist: Oh shit... If you're an atheist and you don't consider it a religion you're doing it wrong. See: agnosticism. I wasn't fishing mate. You got it wrong in the first sentence of your little play there. We don't believe in things verified by science, we know things verified by science. "So does god exist?" is a ridiculous question. First of all which god? The one that you were brought up to believe in or one of the hundreds of others that people in other cultures were raised up to believe in? A God they're as sure exists as you are of yours. Secondly if you're talking about the god of a specific religion you can disprove him in a logic system based on the laws of physics(like how people don't come back from the dead, referring to the resurrection of jesus if you you're christian). If you say that you can't disprove him than that's only on a bases where you throw out the laws of physics and their implied consistency, which are at their core observations of nature confirmed in every experiment ever made, not just in labs but when you drive a car or breathe or do anything else you're performing experiments which function within those laws of physics. By denying that these basic laws exist and are consistent, which is what you're effectively doing by saying that your gods existence can't be disproved, we don't know anything. The entire premise for our reality falls apart. In that universe nothing can be proven and that isn't the universe we live in as you should be able to tell from your everyday experience. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Religion debate in here? | ||
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Denis Lachance
Canada162 Posts
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/470/train.jpg) Can't wait for the show, so much to talk about. I might actually tune in live this time. | ||
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