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On March 15 2011 06:48 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:32 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:30 gruff wrote:On March 15 2011 06:28 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:23 Bobster wrote:On March 15 2011 05:57 ImHuko wrote:
Anyone who is a waiter would probably get extremely pissed at some ass raising their hand(or pointing, which my mom taught me not to do at the age of 5) to get more food. It is extremely rude and uncivilized to get up/raise hand for a waiter, you sit and wait. They were also probably laughing because of you acting like an little attention craved kid trying to get food. Huh interesting, must be a cultural difference. Over here it's quite common to get the attention of the waiter if you want/need something, and obviously, the waiters don't mind. On March 15 2011 06:21 MuTT wrote:On March 15 2011 06:17 The KY wrote:On March 15 2011 05:57 ImHuko wrote:
Anyone who is a waiter would probably get extremely pissed at some ass raising their hand to get more food. It is extremely rude and uncivilized to get up/raise hand for a waiter, you sit and wait. They were also probably laughing because of you acting like an little attention craved kid trying to get food. Asking for service from the guy whose job it is to provide it isn't rude. So screaming at a mcdonalds employee to hurry up is okay Going from raising your hand to screaming at someone is a pretty strange leap to make. :lol There could be a cultural difference, but in USA you DO NOT do anything of the sort. It is EXTREMELY disrespectful. I edited my earlier post but, my mom taught me not to point at the age of 5. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why are the American waiters so sensitive or what is the actual disrespectful part? It is just how it is. You get paid like 3$ an hour to serve people, some assholes, some not.. Most people aren't disrespectful and make the job pleasant but then there are people who act like Day9 and make it extremely unpleasant. $3? Isn't the minimum wage $7 or something? Unless the rest is made up in tips, in which case be polite to the people it's your job to serve, especially if they're just trying to get your attention.
There isn't a minimum wage for waiters. 3$ is actually I think more than most waiters get paid hourly. You are paid by tips. Which makes sense you take the abuse, but while you assume everyone tips, there are tons of people who don't.
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On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story
Well i wasn't there but if i was waiting on a table and they needed more drink or bread i would much rather them get my attention so i can get them what they want and get a better tip rather than have my tip be reduced because they weren't satisfied with there service. Anywhere i've ever worked, the waiter would be fired for reacting the way they described that waiter acting. It is absolutely not rude in anyway to get the waiters attention. If they don't like SERVING people (since there job is a SERVER) than they probably should find a different job. I hardly see his story as him standing outside banging on the glass aimlessly POINTING at the waiter. Everyone is welcome to there opinion, but yours is definitely not the majority in the United States.
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On March 15 2011 06:52 ultramafia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story Well i wasn't there but if i was waiting on a table and they needed more drink or bread i would much rather them get my attention so i can get them what they want and get a better tip rather than have my tip be reduced because they weren't satisfied with there service. Anywhere i've ever worked, the waiter would be fired for reacting the way they described that waiter acting. It is absolutely not rude in anyway to get the waiters attention. If they don't like SERVING people (since there job is a SERVER) than they probably should find a different job. I hardly see his story as him standing outside banging on the glass aimlessly POINTING at the waiter. Everyone is welcome to there opinion, but yours is definitely not the majority in the United States.
You must live in a hidden part of the US if you think its respectful to point/look through glass/raise hand (like a school kid ("hermani granger")). Also finding a NEW JOB in the US? You living in a special part of the country where jobs are plentyful and everyones rude.
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Getting a waiters attention is not disrespectful at all. I highly doubt Sean was actually standing up waving his arms. They were making the story funny. He probably just had his hand up trying to signal they needed something. What else are you supposed to do? Wait? Fuck that, I want bread and I want it now.
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On March 15 2011 06:44 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:42 The KY wrote:On March 15 2011 06:21 MuTT wrote:On March 15 2011 06:17 The KY wrote:On March 15 2011 05:57 ImHuko wrote:
Anyone who is a waiter would probably get extremely pissed at some ass raising their hand to get more food. It is extremely rude and uncivilized to get up/raise hand for a waiter, you sit and wait. They were also probably laughing because of you acting like an little attention craved kid trying to get food. Asking for service from the guy whose job it is to provide it isn't rude. So screaming at a mcdonalds employee to hurry up is okay? Depends where you draw the line but you make a generalization in the ''asking''. Raising your hand is pretty disrespectful especially in an unrewarding job like that; at least I couldn't take it. I'm a Mcdonalds employee ^_^ Never got screaming, some profanity though. But that's a country mile from simply getting the attention of the person serving you, which is essentially what you're doing if you're raising your hand to a waiter. How else are they meant to know you want something? If a customer at my workplace tried to get my attention, I'd have to be pretty shit at my job to get offended and think them rude. You are the type of person who gets employee of the week, every week. You are definitely in the minority of people who take their fast food/waiter job seriously.
I take every job seriously, no point doing things half arsed. I still don't see that someone expecting me to do my job and then asking me to is rude. It depends on how they ask. If someone raises their hand to get my attention, I'd think absolutely nothing of it and it baffles me that you would.
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On March 15 2011 06:55 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:52 ultramafia wrote:On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story Well i wasn't there but if i was waiting on a table and they needed more drink or bread i would much rather them get my attention so i can get them what they want and get a better tip rather than have my tip be reduced because they weren't satisfied with there service. Anywhere i've ever worked, the waiter would be fired for reacting the way they described that waiter acting. It is absolutely not rude in anyway to get the waiters attention. If they don't like SERVING people (since there job is a SERVER) than they probably should find a different job. I hardly see his story as him standing outside banging on the glass aimlessly POINTING at the waiter. Everyone is welcome to there opinion, but yours is definitely not the majority in the United States. You must live in a hidden part of the US if you think its respectful to point/look through glass/raise hand (like a school kid ("hermani granger")). Also finding a NEW JOB in the US? You living in a special part of the country where jobs are plentyful and everyones rude.
Nah. It's pretty normal to call the waiter, no matter where you're from. The majority is obviously against you so don't even argue that we're minorities.
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On March 15 2011 06:55 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:52 ultramafia wrote:On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story Well i wasn't there but if i was waiting on a table and they needed more drink or bread i would much rather them get my attention so i can get them what they want and get a better tip rather than have my tip be reduced because they weren't satisfied with there service. Anywhere i've ever worked, the waiter would be fired for reacting the way they described that waiter acting. It is absolutely not rude in anyway to get the waiters attention. If they don't like SERVING people (since there job is a SERVER) than they probably should find a different job. I hardly see his story as him standing outside banging on the glass aimlessly POINTING at the waiter. Everyone is welcome to there opinion, but yours is definitely not the majority in the United States. You must live in a hidden part of the US if you think its respectful to point/look through glass/raise hand (like a school kid ("hermani granger")). Also finding a NEW JOB in the US? You living in a special part of the country where jobs are plentyful and everyones rude.
He is exactly right. I think your putting too much into the clear exaggerations that were put into the story to make it funny. As a waiter it is his job to serve the customer in a quick and professional manner. That wasn't being done because he was no where to be found. You are supposed to check with your table throughout the meal and it seems like the waiter failed at that.
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On March 15 2011 06:55 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:52 ultramafia wrote:On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story Well i wasn't there but if i was waiting on a table and they needed more drink or bread i would much rather them get my attention so i can get them what they want and get a better tip rather than have my tip be reduced because they weren't satisfied with there service. Anywhere i've ever worked, the waiter would be fired for reacting the way they described that waiter acting. It is absolutely not rude in anyway to get the waiters attention. If they don't like SERVING people (since there job is a SERVER) than they probably should find a different job. I hardly see his story as him standing outside banging on the glass aimlessly POINTING at the waiter. Everyone is welcome to there opinion, but yours is definitely not the majority in the United States. You must live in a hidden part of the US if you think its respectful to point/look through glass/raise hand (like a school kid ("hermani granger")). Also finding a NEW JOB in the US? You living in a special part of the country where jobs are plentyful and everyones rude. Do you think its weird that since you've made your post multiple people have strongly disagreed with you? no one has agreed. We are all super rude ass holes and you are this amazing person who never disrespects a waiter by getting there attention.
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Welp, looks like I shouldn't have just believed imhuko with his story here. :lol
Thanks for clearing this up everyone (Tyler, ultramafia, Adrian et. al.) - things are basically the same over here. I was weirded out for a bit there, glad to hear some things are the same across continents. :D
I think he's either trolling us at this point or Day9 ran over his dog or something.
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What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward.
Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant.
On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience.
That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not.
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On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience.
I will answer this with more care because i respect your opinion.
I wasn't referring to day9's experience. I was just disproving that guy's statement because it was kinda offensive to me. I agree with everything you said but only if the waiter wasn't busy (it was okay for day9 to do it given it was empty and it is America). What I disagree with is when it is full and people raise their hand, because it doesn't make it faster. You can't just give priority to the guy with raised hand. It is just stressing the worker and is inconsiderate of him, for no gain. Therefore, I see it as disrespectful because people aren't compters. They can uncontrollably get hurt over somewhat seemingly harmless actions.
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Of all the strange turns this thread has taken I never could have expected it to become a debate on restaurant etiquette.
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On March 15 2011 06:47 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:44 ultramafia wrote:
As a former waiter and a lifetime restaurant goer i can say that no sensible waiter would ever see it as disrespectful to wave or raise your hand to get there attention. snapping or other things of that nature are disrespectful in all aspects of life. I dunno who was saying its disrespectful to do that in the US but its not and will never be. So you would say pointing your finger is disrespectful? He pointed at the waiter as well as raising hand/looking through glass(wtf?). Atleast thats what he said in the story
I've always considered myself a pretty damn good restaurant customer. I always tip 15%-25% no matter how shitty the waiter was, and I go out of my way to be extra polite to the people who are serving me my food. I try to get the attention of waiters all the time, and not only when I need a check. I understand if they're really busy, and look like they've had a bad day or something; they might not appreciate someone trying jumping out of there seat trying to get there attention, but your telling me they get mad when you raise your hand?
How else are you supposed to get a waiters attention then? Are we supposed to just wait until they feel like serving us? I thought we had a good thing going here where the waiter didn't have to check on me constantly, and in return I could get his attention is there was anything I needed.
Please elaborate on the finer points of waiter/patron protocol. This is one of those things I kinda just decided to wing it and learn on my own. Kinda like asking for games in B.Net channels. I've had no formal education on the subject.
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On March 15 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward. Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant. Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience. That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not. + Show Spoiler +
So what do you do when your waiter is no where to be found?
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On March 15 2011 07:14 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward. Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant. On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience. That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not. + Show Spoiler + So what do you do when your waiter is no where to be found?
I was typing something for the guy above you as well. I have never had this happen. Sometimes waiters don't come out enough, but I have never been in a restaurant where they NEVER come out. I am someone who drinks their drink VERY fast, so I get a lot of refills (usually feel terrible for whatever reason having to make them get me drinks). Every waiter I have had are very good with hints/noticing stuff. I have had waiters rarely come out for the first 20 minutes then notice my glass is always empty and then come back much more frequently. Day9 said himself the waiter was a pretty awesome guy, so he must have been extremely obnoxious for the guy to do a complete 180 and turn into an asshole.
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eeeh.. are the games the went on to cast somewhere recorded? SC2 5man cast sounds great x).
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On March 15 2011 07:19 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward. Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant. On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience. That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not. + Show Spoiler + So what do you do when your waiter is no where to be found? I was typing something for the guy above you as well. I have never had this happen. Sometimes waiters don't come out enough, but I have never been in a restaurant where they NEVER come out. I am someone who drinks their drink VERY fast, so I get a lot of refills (usually feel terrible for whatever reason having to make them get me drinks). Every waiter I have had are very good with hints/noticing stuff. I have had waiters rarely come out for the first 20 minutes then notice my glass is always empty and then come back much more frequently. Day9 said himself the waiter was a pretty awesome guy, so he must have been extremely obnoxious for the guy to do a complete 180 and turn into an asshole.
Or the guy was simply an asshole. They are out there you know.
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On March 15 2011 07:19 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward. Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant. On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience. That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not. + Show Spoiler + So what do you do when your waiter is no where to be found? I was typing something for the guy above you as well. I have never had this happen. Sometimes waiters don't come out enough, but I have never been in a restaurant where they NEVER come out. I am someone who drinks their drink VERY fast, so I get a lot of refills (usually feel terrible for whatever reason having to make them get me drinks). Every waiter I have had are very good with hints/noticing stuff. I have had waiters rarely come out for the first 20 minutes then notice my glass is always empty and then come back much more frequently. Day9 said himself the waiter was a pretty awesome guy, so he must have been extremely obnoxious for the guy to do a complete 180 and turn into an asshole.
You seem to have a very firm grasp on the situation despite the fact that you weren't actually present. Where can I acquire such a superpower?
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On March 15 2011 07:33 KaiserReinhard wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:19 ImHuko wrote:On March 15 2011 07:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:What? I am just going off the story. You have to think of it the same way. There are points of the story that were added for laughter/story elements, but there is also things removed because Day9 was telling it. Like he never mentioned the fact he was pointing until the waiter part of the story. Maybe it is just myself but I think pointing/looking through glass (which he explained way too much in detail to be for humor) is rude and the whole story was kind of awkward. Listen to the damn Podcast. I am talking about something on the podcast, not a random discussion on what/whatnot to do in a restaurant. On March 15 2011 06:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaat? Everyone at a restaurant is happy to help customers have a more enjoyable meal (well maybe not REALLY happy to help, but it's their job to be that way, and it's better for everyone if they actually are). Waiters would check tables more often but they don't want to be intrusive and annoying. As long as you aren't significantly disrupting other customers' experiences, a waiter wants you to get their attention. It's not like you go hunt down your waiter as soon as you want something, and you certainly don't interrupt them when they are interacting with other tables... but you just catch their eye when they are walking around. And it's better for them anyway, since the sooner they know everything they need to do, the better they can optimize how they're gonna serve all their tables.
I've been at restaurants that weren't very crowded and so my waiters weren't very busy, and when they had nothing to do they generally just watched their tables from afar. If I wanted something, I might look for eye contact or just put up my hand a bit (not really high waving it around) and they'd come. ezpz
At nice restaurants you've constantly got people un-intrusively topping off your water, clearing away empty plates, cleaning up crumbs, delivering drinks, appetizers, etc. Even tho most of those people aren't your waiter, you can ask them for something and they'll do it or they'll tell your waiter. That way they aren't annoying. You ignore them when you don't need anything, unlike the actual waiter who is always getting the attention of the table. It's a pretty nice solution to the dilemma between constant service and a private dining experience. That is exactly how I was taught to conduct myself. Eye contact seems to mean everything in a restaurant. They look at you, you look at them, you raise your hand just a weee bit to know you want them, and then they come over when they aren't busy. While it is a story and things could be made up, you should never point/get up/raise hand like "hermione granger" I know that is exaggerated but it has to come to mind for a reason. I can see Day9 being as playful as he is raising his hand like that, its just his personality but you gotta know when its respectful and when its not. + Show Spoiler + So what do you do when your waiter is no where to be found? I was typing something for the guy above you as well. I have never had this happen. Sometimes waiters don't come out enough, but I have never been in a restaurant where they NEVER come out. I am someone who drinks their drink VERY fast, so I get a lot of refills (usually feel terrible for whatever reason having to make them get me drinks). Every waiter I have had are very good with hints/noticing stuff. I have had waiters rarely come out for the first 20 minutes then notice my glass is always empty and then come back much more frequently. Day9 said himself the waiter was a pretty awesome guy, so he must have been extremely obnoxious for the guy to do a complete 180 and turn into an asshole. You seem to have a very firm grasp on the situation despite the fact that you weren't actually present. Where can I acquire such a superpower?
Well considering we are in the SotG podcast thread I am sure you could start off by listening to it.
On March 15 2011 07:21 Zax19 wrote:
eeeh.. are the games the went on to cast somewhere recorded? SC2 5man cast sounds great x).
Also just finished listening, could someone link the recordings?:D All I can find is the Husky/Day9 duo.
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Sounds like it was a "you had to be there situation" Guy probably was having a bad day and mistook an innocent gesture for douchebaggery.
On a somewhat related note you could probably create a sick random number generator by somehow using "which minor tidbit from the latest SotG is being discussed in the TL thread" as the seed.
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