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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
February 23 2011 14:07 GMT
#10741
On February 23 2011 23:04 sdrawkcab_ wrote:
Here's a suggestion for Tylers ceremonial dance video:



It's auto-embed. Just paste the youtube link in its normal form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vrdXpiyqr8

I hope it's ok to post this here :o Don't want to get warned or banned. Just wanted to help a fellow poster ^^
JinNJuice
Profile Joined June 2010
United States255 Posts
February 23 2011 14:10 GMT
#10742
Geoff's impression of TotalBiscuit and that other guy just killed me. I was dying laughing for about five minutes. Awesome show last night. Oh also the Klazart Evolution Complete vid was so freaking hilarious. Can't believe JP's never seen it lol. Keep up the good work guys. Love your show.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
February 23 2011 14:12 GMT
#10743
On February 23 2011 23:10 JinNJuice wrote:
Geoff's impression of TotalBiscuit and that other guy just killed me. I was dying laughing for about five minutes.


Hahahaha jeeesus i just couldnt hold back anymore. That shit was so funny :D :D
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
February 23 2011 14:40 GMT
#10744
I laughed so hard at the MMA fight between the DT and Banshee

Sums up my feelings on the units and then the "well that was fair" xD
★ Top Gun ★
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
February 23 2011 14:40 GMT
#10745
Just finished listening to the SotG and hearing idra talk about hydra's and it reminded me of my post that I made on the b.net forums (no use to make it here).


I am a zerg player in the plat league (atm) and I play a lot w/ diamond/master players. The problem I am having is I want my HYDRA back, get rid of the pittily tier 2 unit that has 80 health and 2 food and dies to everything, Koreans call the hydralisk the hydraloss.... it is useless against Terran and only useful vs Protoss until they get out colossi (which they do every game they don't 4wg you) thus you have approximately 2 minutes to enjoy your high dps glass canons (which you can't) before they are savagely destroyed by 9 range, 30 damage (+4/upgrade) that attacks in an arc.

The roach is a terrible replacement for the hydra, first the range is still crap (it was 3 >.>) it costs 2 food and the dps is equal to a marine before stim (marines benefit from upgrades more too). Against T the only reason to go roach is if he is going thor or hellion and if he is going hellion you should get spines instead, if he is going thor he is going to have marine/tank with him that will lose like 5 food to a full army of roaches.... Hydralisks are extremely slow off creep and lost their speed bonus, I thought the creep was supposed to be an advantage, not a limitation . Both T and P can go for early air games (namely T) that are extremely hard to stop unless you just start mass producing queens (and even then). On top of the roach being horrible, it is extremely ineficient too; If you spot a delayed 4wg coming and you want to handle with roaches because he is zealot heavy you have to continously produce roaches and can't drone while the opponent CAN power and still get an army to smash yours. On top of this both T and P have a midgame unit that is a powerhouse, for T it's tanks, for P it's colossi.

Here's my proposal>

Move hydra to tier 1
Move roach to tier 2
change food count on hydra to 1
change food count on roach to 3
change cost on hydra to 75/25
change cost on roach to 150/75
change hydra damage to 7
change hydra speed to 2.4
add upgrade speed on hydra +.6
remove "Light" from hydra
reduce on creep bonus to 1.3
change roach armor to 4
change roach damage to 12 w/ +6 to light
change roach attack speed to 1.7
change rapid regeneration to 3hp/sec above ground and 7hp/sec burrowed
change tunneling claws to 12hp/sec underground

This would effectively make hydras a tier 1 unit (reduce weakness to air) that is weak to mmm but has uses vs mech and Protoss and isn't a complete waste against general terran builds. Would make roaches effective mid game units that are expensive in both food and money while still bringing something to the game. Obvously this would need testing (ofc) but it is so frustrating that zergs range is horrible, their dps is horrible and the food costs are the same as P for the units that you would use >.> Zerglings are the iconic unit that has stayed at .5 food but this unit has been nerfed so hard it is difficult to compare it as well.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
February 23 2011 14:44 GMT
#10746
On February 23 2011 22:40 RationalGaze wrote:
Geoff sounds like he's been practicing his TotalBiscuit impression, it's actually pretty good now. He used to sound Australian before (especially since he would say "G'day mate" which English people do not say.)


It's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
February 23 2011 14:54 GMT
#10747
TeamGaseous had me spewing water thru my nose... thanks NoNy...
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Vinx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada259 Posts
February 23 2011 15:02 GMT
#10748
Tyler's trolling was well over 9000 last night with that one. haha great show
Starcraft 2 > RL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
imaROBOT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
February 23 2011 15:04 GMT
#10749
On February 23 2011 23:40 ixi.genocide wrote:
Just finished listening to the SotG and hearing idra talk about hydra's and it reminded me of my post that I made on the b.net forums (no use to make it here).


I am a zerg player in the plat league (atm) and I play a lot w/ diamond/master players. The problem I am having is I want my HYDRA back, get rid of the pittily tier 2 unit that has 80 health and 2 food and dies to everything, Koreans call the hydralisk the hydraloss.... it is useless against Terran and only useful vs Protoss until they get out colossi (which they do every game they don't 4wg you) thus you have approximately 2 minutes to enjoy your high dps glass canons (which you can't) before they are savagely destroyed by 9 range, 30 damage (+4/upgrade) that attacks in an arc.

The roach is a terrible replacement for the hydra, first the range is still crap (it was 3 >.>) it costs 2 food and the dps is equal to a marine before stim (marines benefit from upgrades more too). Against T the only reason to go roach is if he is going thor or hellion and if he is going hellion you should get spines instead, if he is going thor he is going to have marine/tank with him that will lose like 5 food to a full army of roaches.... Hydralisks are extremely slow off creep and lost their speed bonus, I thought the creep was supposed to be an advantage, not a limitation . Both T and P can go for early air games (namely T) that are extremely hard to stop unless you just start mass producing queens (and even then). On top of the roach being horrible, it is extremely ineficient too; If you spot a delayed 4wg coming and you want to handle with roaches because he is zealot heavy you have to continously produce roaches and can't drone while the opponent CAN power and still get an army to smash yours. On top of this both T and P have a midgame unit that is a powerhouse, for T it's tanks, for P it's colossi.

Here's my proposal>

Move hydra to tier 1
Move roach to tier 2
change food count on hydra to 1
change food count on roach to 3
change cost on hydra to 75/25
change cost on roach to 150/75
change hydra damage to 7
change hydra speed to 2.4
add upgrade speed on hydra +.6
remove "Light" from hydra
reduce on creep bonus to 1.3
change roach armor to 4
change roach damage to 12 w/ +6 to light
change roach attack speed to 1.7
change rapid regeneration to 3hp/sec above ground and 7hp/sec burrowed
change tunneling claws to 12hp/sec underground

This would effectively make hydras a tier 1 unit (reduce weakness to air) that is weak to mmm but has uses vs mech and Protoss and isn't a complete waste against general terran builds. Would make roaches effective mid game units that are expensive in both food and money while still bringing something to the game. Obvously this would need testing (ofc) but it is so frustrating that zergs range is horrible, their dps is horrible and the food costs are the same as P for the units that you would use >.> Zerglings are the iconic unit that has stayed at .5 food but this unit has been nerfed so hard it is difficult to compare it as well.


I'd say that is way too many changes. If they only cost 1 food you know how easy it would be to never tech at all and mass hydra over and over, with all those changes they would rock. It would be the only thing a Zerg would make.

I'm thinking maybe instead of light armor, make them medium, like in SC1. It would help, so they don't get owned so fast. They already have a super fast fire rate, so DPS is very high. I just think if they survived a little longer, it wouldn't hurt other races so much and help Zerg just a little.
co$.imaROBOT.Church of $in - Protoss
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
February 23 2011 15:07 GMT
#10750
Roach armor to 4? 3 armor roaches would have 7 armor like ultralisks? Come one :f Be realistic at least.
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
February 23 2011 15:18 GMT
#10751
On February 24 2011 00:07 Piski wrote:
Roach armor to 4? 3 armor roaches would have 7 armor like ultralisks? Come one :f Be realistic at least.



lol, woops. meant to put 3 not 4 >.>
___________________


hydra dps would be 8.4 if you reduce the damage to 7

This change would put the hydra in line with the bw hydra and would not be efficient versus terran in late game. it would be a central unit in zvp though. also saying that they wouldn't tech up is kind of silly because that is exactly what both t and p do....
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 15:46:11
February 23 2011 15:41 GMT
#10752
Thought it was a bit unprofessional of incontrol to be trashing Haypro on the podcast last night, as he has done with other players in the past. I've also heard some pretty sexist jokes. He sure is touting the high standards of professionalism that NASL will uphold...
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 23 2011 15:47 GMT
#10753
On February 24 2011 00:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Thought it was a bit unprofessional of incontrol to be trashing Haypro on the podcast last night, as he has done with other players in the past. I've also heard some pretty sexist jokes. He sure is touting the high standards of professionalism that NASL will uphold...


Yeah, but the part about Haypro is true, he is shy and everything.
I am not good with quotes
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 23 2011 15:51 GMT
#10754
On February 23 2011 20:24 itmeJP wrote:
Russel from NASL joins the cast with IdrA to talk about the latest happenings in SC2.

Blogger // Preshow // blip.tv (video, audio on side)

If you're getting slow download speed, pause/start the download and you'll get 1mb in bursts, or just watch it by streaming.


EVERYONE needs to watch the cast on blip tv, some hillarious shit with the HuK's gif, balance cat ect xD

great show, one of my favorites so far
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 15:53:33
February 23 2011 15:53 GMT
#10755
On February 24 2011 00:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Thought it was a bit unprofessional of incontrol to be trashing Haypro on the podcast last night, as he has done with other players in the past. I've also heard some pretty sexist jokes. He sure is touting the high standards of professionalism that NASL will uphold...

He didn't trash haypro at all. This thread is amazing.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
February 23 2011 15:55 GMT
#10756
Didn't understand InControls reaction when JP asked about where the money came from. InControl acted like if it was a retarded question when he could've just said "The sponsors will be announced later".
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
February 23 2011 15:58 GMT
#10757
On February 24 2011 00:55 superjoppe wrote:
Didn't understand InControls reaction when JP asked about where the money came from. InControl acted like if it was a retarded question when he could've just said "The sponsors will be announced later".

The feeling that I got was that they were irritated at the question because it was the most common question when it shouldn't have been.
Blenderhead
Profile Joined April 2010
United States29 Posts
February 23 2011 15:59 GMT
#10758
incontrol's trash talk and the subsequent awkward transitions are half the reason SotG is so awesome. It's probably just going to get better when they start streaming webcams too; we get to see all the and
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
February 23 2011 16:00 GMT
#10759
I just want to say thanks, InControl. You have said so much of the right things. If Idras Comments would stand there uncommented, everybody would think they are true.

Just thank you.
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
February 23 2011 16:02 GMT
#10760
On February 24 2011 00:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Thought it was a bit unprofessional of incontrol to be trashing Haypro on the podcast last night, as he has done with other players in the past. I've also heard some pretty sexist jokes. He sure is touting the high standards of professionalism that NASL will uphold...

How is it trashing Haypro, when he is in fact a guy who tends to keep to himself.
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