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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Incontrol saying someone shouldnt rely on mindgames/low chance to win builds and instead focus on mechanics/strong builds? I thought he was really big on doing such things in tournaments etc. Either way I don't understand in the least how they could act like they defended/supported kellymilkies in the least. Didnt you guys run an audio stream entirely to mock the selection and mess with her? | ||
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:51 Stiver wrote: As a master league Zerg player, I have the right, privilege and duty! to whole heartedly agree with Idra. I would argue two players of similar skill levels, The zerg will never be the favor to win. Think that's just how Starcraft II Is. Skill is such an indefinite thing though. I mean this by like... there is no unit by which to measure skill. So you can't be like... Jinro is 4mg of skill and IdrA is also 4mg of skill, thusly we can accurately compare their matchups and determine that although they are of equal skill per mg, Jinro will win outright. Both players excel at different things and have room for improvement in different areas. This goes across all matchups and all players. To try and quantify it so specifically is ridiculous... | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:30 Cynoks wrote: Are you kidding???? Starcraft 2 players ARE NOT allowed to have opinions!?!!?!?!?!? IT IS UNPROFESSIONAL!!!! /end humor Its funny that your fail sarcasm further illustrates my point. Its fine to have an opinion that you keep within closed circles. However it is TERRIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL to disseminate it widely, when the team and enterprises that support you exist fot the very reason you are shitting on. Imagine if any respected sportsperson were to do something similar. He'd be booted out of the team he was playing for in no time. + Show Spoiler + Lol. Imagine if Michael Schumacher called F1 broken(which it is!). You think he would be acting in Ferraris best interests??? And @I love Bacon: Im not saying the game is balanced or imba. I have no right to say anything like that... All I'm saying is that IdrA should not be shooting his mouth off about the game being broken in public. I dunno bout you guys but I've lately been bringing in new people to experience the awesomeness that is SC2 E-sports, and its a hard knock life as it is; without NASL and EG's star player calling the game stupid and broken(Please note: without having practiced enuff on the new maps as he himself admits!) It essentially, logically, works out to: you must be stupid to pay 25$ to watch a game where even the star player publicly acknowledges that the game is broken. But why listen to me? Geoff himself tells IdrA during that leaked gosucoaching cast that some of the things IdrA says to him are not meant for public hearing. So please stop being confrontational and get a different perspective for a change maybe... | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:07 SushilS wrote: Its funny that your fail sarcasm further illustrates my point. Its fine to have an opinion that you keep within closed circles. However it is TERRIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL to disseminate it widely, when the team and enterprises that support you exist fot the very reason you are shitting on. Imagine if any respected sportsperson were to do something similar. He'd be booted out of the team he was playing for in no time. + Show Spoiler + Lol. Imagine if Michael Schumacher called F1 broken(which it is!). You think he would be acting in Ferraris best interests??? And @I love Bacon: Im not saying the game is balanced or imba. I have no right to say anything like that... All I'm saying is that IdrA should not be shooting his mouth off about the game being broken in public. I dunno bout you guys but I've lately been bringing in new people to experience the awesomeness that is SC2 E-sports, and its a hard knock life as it is; without NASL and EG's star player calling the game stupid and broken(Please note: without having practiced on the new maps as he himself admits!) It essentially, logically, works out to: you must be stupid to pay 25$ to watch a game where even the star player publicly acknowledges that the game is broken. But why listen to me? Geoff himself tells IdrA during that leaked gosucoaching cast that some of the things IdrA says to him are not meant for public hearing. So please stop being confrontational and get a different perspective for a change maybe... I understand your perspective, I just disagree 100% wholeheartedly with it. I want candid opinions. If a player doesn't offer their candid opinions, my bull shit meter goes off pretty quickly and right then and there I know they're putting on a public face and lying in order to avoid a hard question or discussing a tough subject. I don't want to see anybody duck a legitimate question. Ever. Also, your comment that it would be stupid to pay money to watch a flawed game falls apart when you basically state that F1 is broken... yet it is still up and running. Entertainment is what people want. Good games and entertainment can be had even when imbalance exists. | ||
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OTL
313 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:26 KevinIX wrote: I would actually consider Tyler to be the neutral. We have Day9 and JP who are general really positive about everything, Tyler who is cool and logical about everything, and then we have incontrol and Idra who shit on everything.  I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. JP is not positive about everything. Day9 is, sure, and almost to a fault, but that is entirely untrue about JP. He may not be as open and upfront about his negativity or constantly displaying it like other people are, but he does it in other ways. JP is the one that tries to get inc and idra going on things--if he didn't want them to rant and go off on people he wouldn't introduce a topic in the way that he does and then throw it at one of them; in fact he probably wouldn't bring it up. JP also does his fair amount of shitting on other people, were you watching the stream when he, Geoff and idra were commenting during code A? JP is not an innocent person in all of this. In fact JP is the only person on state of the game (as far as I can remember) who's ever used a homosexual slur against someone else on the show. All that being said, good thing, bad thing, I don't really care. It is what it is. Personally, I find it to be entertaining most of the time and enjoy the show the way it is, but let's not pretend people are things they are not just because we like them or agree with them on something. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:53 Defacer wrote: Yeah yeah yeah, all Zergs complain. But IdrA not practicing for a $1500 showmatch is kind of bad. He still has an obligation to his team and himself to, you know ... care. It really speaks to how demoralized he is. I mean this is a guy that had the will to power through 2 years of korean brood war training basically alone. Yet he was unable to muster up the energy to prep for a 1500$ showmatch? While I don't condone his lack of care, I kind of understand his state. | ||
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:07 SushilS wrote: Its funny that your fail sarcasm further illustrates my point. Its fine to have an opinion that you keep within closed circles. However it is TERRIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL to disseminate it widely, when the team and enterprises that support you exist fot the very reason you are shitting on. Imagine if any respected sportsperson were to do something similar. He'd be booted out of the team he was playing for in no time. + Show Spoiler + Lol. Imagine if Michael Schumacher called F1 broken(which it is!). You think he would be acting in Ferraris best interests??? And @I love Bacon: Im not saying the game is balanced or imba. I have no right to say anything like that... All I'm saying is that IdrA should not be shooting his mouth off about the game being broken in public. I dunno bout you guys but I've lately been bringing in new people to experience the awesomeness that is SC2 E-sports, and its a hard knock life as it is; without NASL and EG's star player calling the game stupid and broken(Please note: without having practiced on the new maps as he himself admits!) It essentially, logically, works out to: you must be stupid to pay 25$ to watch a game where even the star player publicly acknowledges that the game is broken. But why listen to me? Geoff himself tells IdrA during that leaked gosucoaching cast that some of the things IdrA says to him are not meant for public hearing. So please stop being confrontational and get a different perspective for a change maybe... I completely see your point, and it was really well said. However, to that extent, I think it is important to realize how new these guys are to the limelight of e-fame. This is such a new thing to everyone that everyone is adapting. Given enough time, I'm sure these guys will refine their podcast into something both fun and professional. We're seeing it evolve slowly, but surely. I mean iNcontroL, retracted and has agreed to stop parodying KellyMilkies. I think that in itself is progress. They are not bad guys. None of them are bad people. Far from. that being said, they're real people. The closest thing I have to compare this to was watching youtube celebrities get big (smosh, RWJ, sxephil and those guys). In the beginning of their careers, everything was super unrefined and sort of back handed. That was because there wasn't really a proper decorum for conduct between the different youtube partners. However, as the NASL develops, and MLG, and IEM, and GSL, and all these e-sports things become what they will be (effing huge), we will see a code of conduct develop behind the players as well. Back to the point, I love the SOTG guys. Highlight of my week, and I don't ever want that to change. However, to address their seeming unprofessional behaviour, my only advice is to allow them some time to develop their personas and demeanours. EDIT: to clarify, I will never ask these guys to censor themselves in any way. I'm only suggesting that the way in which this will all go down will become more refined and professional. I am not saying the SOTG needs to lose its chill/casual atmosphere, but just saying that a slow progressiveness towards e-sports becoming their career and business, and not just their job. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:56 dacthehork wrote: could anyone else sense the weirdest crap talk about HuK. No idea if it was like pre-planned or for "drama" building. I really didn't understand it at all. Incontrol saying someone shouldnt rely on mindgames/low chance to win builds and instead focus on mechanics/strong builds? I thought he was really big on doing such things in tournaments etc. Either way I don't understand in the least how they could act like they defended/supported kellymilkies in the least. Didnt you guys run an audio stream entirely to mock the selection and mess with her? After the epic lulz fest he basically said that while her accent is funny and made fun of her, he supports her and wants her to do well and stuff (not sure if he was serious but he said something about talking to her before hand on monday and tried to reassure her / make her less nervous or something). Also (in an unrelated note) I have to lol at how people ridiculously over exaggerate IdrA's bad boy / rebel / shit talker attitude when he has really said few things that warrant such a reaction. It seems so sad yet at the same time so hilarious to me that because SC2 pros are usually so manner, that the one person who deviates ever so slightly from the rest is branded as some kind of villian. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:07 SushilS wrote: Its funny that your fail sarcasm further illustrates my point. Its fine to have an opinion that you keep within closed circles. However it is TERRIBLY UNPROFESSIONAL to disseminate it widely, when the team and enterprises that support you exist fot the very reason you are shitting on. Imagine if any respected sportsperson were to do something similar. He'd be booted out of the team he was playing for in no time. + Show Spoiler + Lol. Imagine if Michael Schumacher called F1 broken(which it is!). You think he would be acting in Ferraris best interests??? And @I love Bacon: Im not saying the game is balanced or imba. I have no right to say anything like that... All I'm saying is that IdrA should not be shooting his mouth off about the game being broken in public. I dunno bout you guys but I've lately been bringing in new people to experience the awesomeness that is SC2 E-sports, and its a hard knock life as it is; without NASL and EG's star player calling the game stupid and broken(Please note: without having practiced on the new maps as he himself admits!) It essentially, logically, works out to: you must be stupid to pay 25$ to watch a game where even the star player publicly acknowledges that the game is broken. And why listen to me? Geoff himself tells IdrA during that leaked gosucoaching cast that some of the things IdrA says to him are not meant for public hearing. So please stop being confrontational and get a different perspective for a change maybe... At the end of the day, no matter how broken or imba the game actually is, there are a lot of people putting their money and support behind IdrA to do the best he can to win. I know SOTG is more a casual, roundtable discussion show, but this isn't kind of thing that you want your sponsors to catch wind of. I'm a designer manager, and have a pretty good relationship with my staff. One of my staff and I were shooting the shit, and out of the blue he started complaining about how his heart wasn't in it anymore; he thought the industry was bullshit, he stopped trying years ago, etc. I didn't fire him right away, but when the company needed each department to lay off an employee, the choice was pretty obvious. IdrA is entitled to his opinion, and it's okay to be frustrated -- its pretty normal with any job. But you're not allowed to NOT care. The simple fact is that he is being paid to win, regardless of how much of an uphill climb it might be. Sounds like someone needs to remind him that he literally has one of the best jobs in the world. He plays video games for a living. If he thinks being a zerg is tough, he should try getting a real job. | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
Apparently the negative critique of a new GOM caster has settled, and it's on to more fresh meat! Stay tuned tomorrow, when the community will critique the fact that the sun rose in the morning! | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
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Sceptor87
Canada266 Posts
On February 23 2011 13:31 Funkatron wrote: Total Biscuit on SCReddit regarding NASL TB: Will it bring eSports to the masses? Better than GSL b/c of broadcast time. Restream in EU is "a great idea" we'll have to wait and see if it is a breakthrough moment. "i don't see anything in particular that would make it a breakthrough moment" I hope it will be. Q. will production values of the thing dissuade potential investors. What are your thoughts on the showmatch? did it inspire confidence?\ A. "No. I'll be completely honest." I don't like bashing casters… constructive criticism is a very potent weapon. good for growth. In terms of production values… For hype and prize pool the production values were "very very poor" audio sync is easy to fix. I do it every day. It took away a lot of the drama. Bliz should address the shared viewing issue. replay-spectator sharing should be part of the game. I'm going to cut in from all the drama and just as, what exactly does he mean with the, "Bliz should address the shared viewing issue. replay-spectator sharing should be part of the game." part? I have an idea floating around in my head about what the meaning of it was, but I'd rather get told and called a complete idiot. My self esteem is rather low. Please, love me. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
DO NOT TAKE MY argument as pro-neutering SotG in any way, k? These guys rule! | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
Nah, jk, much love.  Anyone heard from JP about the dl though? | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:25 LoLAdriankat wrote: I really love the fact that SOTG is mostly a bunch of nerds in Skype talking to each other. It really reminds me of hanging out with my nerd friends on Ventrilo, Mumble or whatever, and I'm sure that other gamers here can totally relate. And that's not even the important part, we get truthful opinions from respected people in the scene. It'd really hurt me to see SOTG get censored hardcore and turn into a sterile and predictable faux-professional hour+ long podcast. QFT, I love that they talk about SC in a relaxed yet informed and knowledgeable way, the best thing about it is that they muck around and be silly and have fun as well. It really annoys me that people want to push the "everyone involved in epsorts has to be professional all the time so that society will accept us and esports will grow". The whole point of gaming is to chill and have some fun, fuck people who want everyone to have perfect manners and behave like fakes just to please some people who can't take a joke. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:29 Bayyne wrote: So has this thread evolved (zerg pun ftw) into negatively critiquing someone's honest opinion of the state of the game? I listen to this show because I can expect a non-PC opinion on issues/items of the game I love to play. That is entertainment for me, and I hope the guests/pillars on the show continue to be candid and non-pic. If I wanted a "professional" and PC show, I can watch a non-FOX news telecast if I wanted to. =) Apparently the negative critique of a new GOM caster has settled, and it's on to more fresh meat! Stay tuned tomorrow, when the community will critique the fact that the sun rose in the morning! Actually, people aren't really critiquing IdrA for having an honest opinion. It's more a general concern that he should cover his own ass for the sake of his career and his team. For example, I'm sure JP has a lot of opinions about MLG that he keeps to himself. GOOD. He can't keep doing SOTGs if he's homeless. Anyone who has any real responsibility where they work would probably agree. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:33 Sceptor87 wrote: I'm going to cut in from all the drama and just as, what exactly does he mean with the, "Bliz should address the shared viewing issue. replay-spectator sharing should be part of the game." part? I have an idea floating around in my head about what the meaning of it was, but I'd rather get told and called a complete idiot. My self esteem is rather low. Please, love me. He means that you should be able to load a replay with a lobby, invite people to it, then launch it together. That way you know that everyone is synced. If someone pauses, it pauses for everyone, if someone goes to x4, it does so for everyone. More than likely the host would have control over that sort of thing. Each person in the replay would be free to look around independently. So basically, it would be like spectating a game, but instead of a game, it's a replay. | ||
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