Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 515

On February 17 2011 16:40 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Hey, big fan of the show, and everyone who are making it happen but I don't understand the recent hate on TB.

We constantly hear Incontrol saying how stupid are people trolling/insulting in the chat/forum threads yet when he trolls in a thread at TotalBiscuit, and he responds on twitter, Geoff says that TB started it? Isn't this double standards?

About TB being horrible caster? Actually he is one of the best(if not the best) casters in EU. Yes, he is not the analytical type but no one even comes close to the excitement he brings to the table. And that's why there are casting duos right? One for analyzing and the other one for play by play commentating.

About Winter Assembly. He just shut down his stream, and I didn't see any drama in this. later on he just twitted that he will be casting LESS sc2, and not that he is STOPPING altogether.

Again, I am big fan of the show, and I am not looking for insults or stupid comments, I just can't get a rational explanation on the hate for TB.

On February 17 2011 15:27 Horse...falcon wrote:
I can understand why TB would get pissed off at iNcontroL, it's hard not to get upset at someone when he's mocking the way you speak and questioning your knowledge of the game.

iNcontroL's role on SOTG is to be politically incorrect and create controversy and I think the show is infinitely better when he's doing his job and ripping on people. It was a not a problem when he was exclusively doing it with Artosis and other BW players he was familiar with because he's actually had years of experience with them and knows what buttons to push. However now that's he's expanded his breadth of targets to other members of the SC community there will inevitably be much more backlash from the insulted and their fans. Personally I hope holds nothing back and goes full bore on anyone and everyone. Except Sean, you stay away from Day you ass.

On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.

On February 17 2011 17:52 Defacer wrote:


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.

On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I think that's far off. I feel like TB just lost his "street cred" around here. Especially here on TL, where most good things have happened because of volunteer work that was completely lacking any expectation of reciprocity. TB requires reciprocity because of his business-like approach, which most level-headed people have nothing against, until he uses phrases that come off like propaganda, such as "disservice to my viewers". So it's just that he said it, rather than keeping it private, and the way he said it. The timing after the Assembly issue, while irrelevant (I trust TB on that), was very bad.

This is how it seems to me at this point: TB liked SC2 and had a passion for SC2 and so he integrated it into his job. At the start, it's reasonable to expect that only a small portion of his viewership will like the SC2 content. If they were already wanting SC2 content, they would've found it elsewhere. So for SC2 content to justify itself, he has to make SC2 fans out of his WoW/general gaming fans. Or he's gotta capture a ton of people new to SC2 and new to him. Or he's gotta be significantly better than most other casters, so he can take their fans and their gigs. But no matter how he does it, it's gonna start small and rise, then likely plateau.

Enough time has passed now for the plateau to become evident. Unfortunately, it's not high enough, not enough views. But diversifying content is good, and who knows how much SC2 will grow without him dedicating his life to it, or if some important person will particularly like his casting, and of course he does genuinely like doing it, so he's going to keep one foot in the water, ready to make the plunge if it's ever the right move. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I applaud it. It's smart and I like having smart people on the scene. Sure I love people making sacrifices. But for things to be sustainable, folks with business acumen will have to find a way for SC2 to work for them.

The problem is the fact that he made the announcement and the way it was said. He didn't have to say that he's making a conscious effort to do less SC2 content. He didn't have to draw attention to the fact that he requires reciprocity. But he did. And in doing so, he highlights only half of the reciprocity: the content he provides that fans can watch for free. The other half, the fact that he needs views to have a secure income to support himself and his family, is not there. SC2 is an investment of his time and it's not paying off quite well enough at this time, so he's cutting back on that investment. Perfectly fine. There's a terrible stigma in the gaming community against people creating new jobs that support their passions and the passions of everyone in the community, which is of course utterly ridiculous, but we've got to deal with it so it'd probably be best to keep the business side of things as private as possible for now. To make it public and paint it in a different light gives everyone an uncomfortable feeling.

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.

On February 17 2011 18:00 WhiteDog wrote:

That's what I hate about Incontrol. The guy is funny and pretty smart it seems, but so full of disrespect and overconfidence.
The best sign of a grown up community would be to respect its noobs in my opinion.

On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.

On February 17 2011 10:44 zemiron wrote:
Is anyone else having trouble downloading this episode? The download starts out at a decent speed and then slows to a crawl. Although, I'm not sure if I want to listen to this episode. It sounds like it wasn't as good as some previous episodes have been.

On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.

On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.