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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
February 17 2011 06:51 GMT
#10281
Finally listening to this now. Hilarious show. The Idra GSL trolling thing is just amazing. So good.

:D

Peter will loooooooooooove you, Grack.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Gov
Profile Joined November 2010
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 06:55:35
February 17 2011 06:54 GMT
#10282
IdrA trolling gsl is soooooooooooooo funny

also sheth's reasoning why the colossus is balanced is so solid, everything he said was the truth!
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Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 07:40:45
February 17 2011 07:40 GMT
#10283
Hey, big fan of the show, and everyone who are making it happen but I don't understand the recent hate on TB.

We constantly hear Incontrol saying how stupid are people trolling/insulting in the chat/forum threads yet when he trolls in a thread at TotalBiscuit, and he responds on twitter, Geoff says that TB started it? Isn't this double standards?

About TB being horrible caster? Actually he is one of the best(if not the best) casters in EU. Yes, he is not the analytical type but no one even comes close to the excitement he brings to the table. And that's why there are casting duos right? One for analyzing and the other one for play by play commentating.

About Winter Assembly. He just shut down his stream, and I didn't see any drama in this. later on he just twitted that he will be casting LESS sc2, and not that he is STOPPING altogether.

Again, I am big fan of the show, and I am not looking for insults or stupid comments, I just can't get a rational explanation on the hate for TB.
Magikarp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States32 Posts
February 17 2011 07:45 GMT
#10284
On February 17 2011 16:40 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Hey, big fan of the show, and everyone who are making it happen but I don't understand the recent hate on TB.

We constantly hear Incontrol saying how stupid are people trolling/insulting in the chat/forum threads yet when he trolls in a thread at TotalBiscuit, and he responds on twitter, Geoff says that TB started it? Isn't this double standards?

About TB being horrible caster? Actually he is one of the best(if not the best) casters in EU. Yes, he is not the analytical type but no one even comes close to the excitement he brings to the table. And that's why there are casting duos right? One for analyzing and the other one for play by play commentating.

About Winter Assembly. He just shut down his stream, and I didn't see any drama in this. later on he just twitted that he will be casting LESS sc2, and not that he is STOPPING altogether.

Again, I am big fan of the show, and I am not looking for insults or stupid comments, I just can't get a rational explanation on the hate for TB.


LUL UR RITE I WAS LOOKING AT THAT COMPLETELY WRONG

ILL JUST WALK OFF INTO THE SUNSET
"Hit 'em with a splash attack."
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 08:06:43
February 17 2011 07:52 GMT
#10285
Hopefully after all the dust has cleared, the one lesson thats to be learned as the host of a high profile show, is to never preface a line of discussion by first claiming that you're not sure what side of the story is actually true and then proceed by asking people to speculate or comment on said side of story that may or may not be true.

Facts or GTFO. That should be the eternal tagline.

That aside, excellent show, excellent episode. Looking forward to next week.
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
Bidu
Profile Joined June 2010
United States29 Posts
February 17 2011 07:52 GMT
#10286
On February 17 2011 15:27 Horse...falcon wrote:
I can understand why TB would get pissed off at iNcontroL, it's hard not to get upset at someone when he's mocking the way you speak and questioning your knowledge of the game.

iNcontroL's role on SOTG is to be politically incorrect and create controversy and I think the show is infinitely better when he's doing his job and ripping on people. It was a not a problem when he was exclusively doing it with Artosis and other BW players he was familiar with because he's actually had years of experience with them and knows what buttons to push. However now that's he's expanded his breadth of targets to other members of the SC community there will inevitably be much more backlash from the insulted and their fans. Personally I hope holds nothing back and goes full bore on anyone and everyone. Except Sean, you stay away from Day you ass.



I dont think anyone could actually hate on day, hes just too much of a nice guy. And even if they were to hate on him they would soon feel the wrath of his rabid fan base (me included :D).
TheCrow
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 08:13:39
February 17 2011 08:06 GMT
#10287
wow, I feel like there are a lot of dramaqueens on both sides of the TB "issue". Analysing if his tweet about doing less sc2 content is good/bad for his cred in the sc2 community etc. Who cares? Do you also analyse "insert name here"'s tweets about his/her cat, if its was correct to announce that to your group of friends?

And people should just handle that Incontrol makes fun of people on the show. Its his role, doing rants, making fun of people, throwing in politically incorrect jokes In fact I think a lot of the shows success is based around him doing exactly that.

Anyways, thanks for another great episode guys. Keep it up
TheCrow
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 08:13:07
February 17 2011 08:12 GMT
#10288
Edit: doublepost
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
February 17 2011 08:52 GMT
#10289
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 08:59:03
February 17 2011 08:58 GMT
#10290
On February 17 2011 17:52 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.


And sometimes people posting on a website that was created for the sole purpose of promoting and enjoying such game, should realize its not just a computer game to a lot of people.

Everyone's ideas/opinions on what are important are not the same.

Importance is a matter of opinion/perspective.

When SC2 is your life, it's no longer just a game.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 17 2011 09:00 GMT
#10291
On February 17 2011 17:58 mnofstl007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 17:52 Defacer wrote:
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.


And sometimes people posting on a website that was created for the sole purpose of promoting and enjoying such game, should realize its not just a computer game to a lot of people.

Everyone's ideas/opinions on what are important are not the same.

Importance is a matter of opinion/perspective.

When SC2 is your life, it's no longer just a game.

That's what I hate about Incontrol. The guy is funny and pretty smart it seems, but so full of disrespect and overconfidence.
The best sign of a grown up community would be to respect its noobs in my opinion.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
February 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#10292
Drama queens please no i would would prefer dancing queens tbh (young and sweet only seventeen).

Goodnight incontrol!
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
February 17 2011 09:06 GMT
#10293
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 12:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On February 17 2011 11:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On February 17 2011 11:30 stolensheep wrote:
On February 17 2011 09:02 Tyree wrote:
If anything TB ends up looking good at the end of the day here, he got dragged into all of this, defended himself and explained what happened and walked happily into the sunshine, without a care in the world.


He could've (and IMO should've) come in here, said "hey look guys, incontrol got the wrong end of the stick, this is what really happened and this is why it happened" accepted incontrol apology and moved on, the fact that he keeps replying to everyone makes me feel that he NEEDS to have the last word in this, which I feel is slightly immature, sure, incontrol didn't have the full story, but whatever, what is done is done and it should've ended along time ago.


I know this is going to be pretty damn ironic to do this, but I stopped responding to people after the apology was brought to my attention. That's when the issue ended. Any further discussion as far as I can see has been pretty constructive.


I'm not sure you understand. People aren't mad at you because of anything you said, they're mad at you because it makes them look cool on the internet.

I think that's far off. I feel like TB just lost his "street cred" around here. Especially here on TL, where most good things have happened because of volunteer work that was completely lacking any expectation of reciprocity. TB requires reciprocity because of his business-like approach, which most level-headed people have nothing against, until he uses phrases that come off like propaganda, such as "disservice to my viewers". So it's just that he said it, rather than keeping it private, and the way he said it. The timing after the Assembly issue, while irrelevant (I trust TB on that), was very bad.

This is how it seems to me at this point: TB liked SC2 and had a passion for SC2 and so he integrated it into his job. At the start, it's reasonable to expect that only a small portion of his viewership will like the SC2 content. If they were already wanting SC2 content, they would've found it elsewhere. So for SC2 content to justify itself, he has to make SC2 fans out of his WoW/general gaming fans. Or he's gotta capture a ton of people new to SC2 and new to him. Or he's gotta be significantly better than most other casters, so he can take their fans and their gigs. But no matter how he does it, it's gonna start small and rise, then likely plateau.

Enough time has passed now for the plateau to become evident. Unfortunately, it's not high enough, not enough views. But diversifying content is good, and who knows how much SC2 will grow without him dedicating his life to it, or if some important person will particularly like his casting, and of course he does genuinely like doing it, so he's going to keep one foot in the water, ready to make the plunge if it's ever the right move. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I applaud it. It's smart and I like having smart people on the scene. Sure I love people making sacrifices. But for things to be sustainable, folks with business acumen will have to find a way for SC2 to work for them.

The problem is the fact that he made the announcement and the way it was said. He didn't have to say that he's making a conscious effort to do less SC2 content. He didn't have to draw attention to the fact that he requires reciprocity. But he did. And in doing so, he highlights only half of the reciprocity: the content he provides that fans can watch for free. The other half, the fact that he needs views to have a secure income to support himself and his family, is not there. SC2 is an investment of his time and it's not paying off quite well enough at this time, so he's cutting back on that investment. Perfectly fine. There's a terrible stigma in the gaming community against people creating new jobs that support their passions and the passions of everyone in the community, which is of course utterly ridiculous, but we've got to deal with it so it'd probably be best to keep the business side of things as private as possible for now. To make it public and paint it in a different light gives everyone an uncomfortable feeling.

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


Tyler why you so chill................................

Completely agree, I just think at the time TB was experiencing A LOT of emotions when he made those tweets. Also based on a recent video he posted, he seems to be rethinking his decision to make information like that known.

Also yes the community is sensitive, and there a lots of crazy people. Just know its only because we care <3
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Sylvr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States524 Posts
February 17 2011 09:15 GMT
#10294
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
February 17 2011 09:21 GMT
#10295
On February 17 2011 18:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 17:58 mnofstl007 wrote:
On February 17 2011 17:52 Defacer wrote:
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.


And sometimes people posting on a website that was created for the sole purpose of promoting and enjoying such game, should realize its not just a computer game to a lot of people.

Everyone's ideas/opinions on what are important are not the same.

Importance is a matter of opinion/perspective.

When SC2 is your life, it's no longer just a game.

That's what I hate about Incontrol. The guy is funny and pretty smart it seems, but so full of disrespect and overconfidence.
The best sign of a grown up community would be to respect its noobs in my opinion.


Hahahaha that sounds like something my commie elementary school teachers taught me. See, the great thing about Merica! with an M is that our incredible liberties and adherence to Reaganomics gives us the confidence to disrespect any and all alike. This equality of arrogance is what sets us apart from meek surrender monkeys like France.

One day we will let France borrow some of our bald eagles so that they can feel the same freedom and excellence enjoyed by better countries. <3
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
February 17 2011 09:21 GMT
#10296
On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.


I completely agree, well said.

RushBoxer!
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
February 17 2011 09:23 GMT
#10297
On February 17 2011 10:44 zemiron wrote:
Is anyone else having trouble downloading this episode? The download starts out at a decent speed and then slows to a crawl. Although, I'm not sure if I want to listen to this episode. It sounds like it wasn't as good as some previous episodes have been.


This episode was good.
There is a pretty sweet Tyler announcement that you definitely won't want to miss.

spoons and forks
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 09:25:34
February 17 2011 09:24 GMT
#10298
On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.


I think you're a bit off here, the ''drama'' wasn't about Totalbiscuits casting itself or about Sotg ripping on it, it was about misinformation surrounding the casting chaos during Assembly and about the future of Totalbisuits SC2 casting.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 09:25:47
February 17 2011 09:25 GMT
#10299
On February 17 2011 18:21 Horse...falcon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 18:00 WhiteDog wrote:
On February 17 2011 17:58 mnofstl007 wrote:
On February 17 2011 17:52 Defacer wrote:
On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.


All communities based on a fringe interest or expertise are ruled by a fabricated, often hypocritical meritocracy. Not to mention an inflated sense of entitlement and elitism.

The art and design world immediately comes to mind.

Every once in a while, I think SC2 fans (and pro's) need to step back and realize that looking down on someone because they're not good at a computer game is ... well, retarded.


And sometimes people posting on a website that was created for the sole purpose of promoting and enjoying such game, should realize its not just a computer game to a lot of people.

Everyone's ideas/opinions on what are important are not the same.

Importance is a matter of opinion/perspective.

When SC2 is your life, it's no longer just a game.

That's what I hate about Incontrol. The guy is funny and pretty smart it seems, but so full of disrespect and overconfidence.
The best sign of a grown up community would be to respect its noobs in my opinion.


Hahahaha that sounds like something my commie elementary school teachers taught me. See, the great thing about Merica! with an M is that our incredible liberties and adherence to Reaganomics gives us the confidence to disrespect any and all alike. This equality of arrogance is what sets us apart from meek surrender monkeys like France.

One day we will let France borrow some of our bald eagles so that they can feel the same freedom and excellence enjoyed by better countries. <3

America is too self centered, you're nothing great. We (france) actually have a way bigger troll history than yours.

Your only feat is to be bad enough at war to loose against bunch of guy dressed like girls and who stop fighting six times a day to step on floor and pray, despite being the 1st war power of the planet, and still flame us for loosing 2nd world war and refusing to go with you crawling in the middle east.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
February 17 2011 09:25 GMT
#10300
On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.


While I'm all for a good spanking through the internet, I don't see how it's fair to say one is more hardcore and the other is not. Hardcore does not equal the enjoyment of a good troll.


It's too bad that this thread was brought to highlight on Incontrol's stream, like he needed backup or something. Tyler brought up a good point, when money is involved it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Reminds me of the original model of gosucoaching with Louder involved while moving, and when incontrol was flown to some country by some rich kid. Some people got screwed out of time etc.

But not many people remembered, it's all hindsight and whatever about it really. Just.. let it go.

It's all silliness, and should probably tone down.
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