Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 516

On February 17 2011 18:25 WhiteDog wrote:

America is too self centered, you're nothing great. We (france) actually have a way bigger troll history than yours.

Your only feat is to be bad enough at war to loose against bunch of guy dressed like girls and who stop fighting six times a day to step on floor and pray, despite being the 1st war power of the planet, and still flame us for loosing 2nd world war and refusing to go with you crawling in the middle east.

On February 17 2011 18:25 Joey.rumz wrote:


While I'm all for a good spanking through the internet, I don't see how it's fair to say one is more hardcore and the other is not. Hardcore does not equal the enjoyment of a good troll.


It's too bad that this thread was brought to highlight on Incontrol's stream, like he needed backup or something. Tyler brought up a good point, when money is involved it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Reminds me of the original model of gosucoaching with Louder involved while moving, and when incontrol was flown to some country by some rich kid. Some people got screwed out of time etc.

But not many people remembered, it's all hindsight and whatever about it really. Just.. let it go.

It's all silliness, and should probably tone down.

On February 17 2011 13:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I think that's far off. I feel like TB just lost his "street cred" around here. Especially here on TL, where most good things have happened because of volunteer work that was completely lacking any expectation of reciprocity. TB requires reciprocity because of his business-like approach, which most level-headed people have nothing against, until he uses phrases that come off like propaganda, such as "disservice to my viewers". So it's just that he said it, rather than keeping it private, and the way he said it. The timing after the Assembly issue, while irrelevant (I trust TB on that), was very bad.

This is how it seems to me at this point: TB liked SC2 and had a passion for SC2 and so he integrated it into his job. At the start, it's reasonable to expect that only a small portion of his viewership will like the SC2 content. If they were already wanting SC2 content, they would've found it elsewhere. So for SC2 content to justify itself, he has to make SC2 fans out of his WoW/general gaming fans. Or he's gotta capture a ton of people new to SC2 and new to him. Or he's gotta be significantly better than most other casters, so he can take their fans and their gigs. But no matter how he does it, it's gonna start small and rise, then likely plateau.

Enough time has passed now for the plateau to become evident. Unfortunately, it's not high enough, not enough views. But diversifying content is good, and who knows how much SC2 will grow without him dedicating his life to it, or if some important person will particularly like his casting, and of course he does genuinely like doing it, so he's going to keep one foot in the water, ready to make the plunge if it's ever the right move. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I applaud it. It's smart and I like having smart people on the scene. Sure I love people making sacrifices. But for things to be sustainable, folks with business acumen will have to find a way for SC2 to work for them.

The problem is the fact that he made the announcement and the way it was said. He didn't have to say that he's making a conscious effort to do less SC2 content. He didn't have to draw attention to the fact that he requires reciprocity. But he did. And in doing so, he highlights only half of the reciprocity: the content he provides that fans can watch for free. The other half, the fact that he needs views to have a secure income to support himself and his family, is not there. SC2 is an investment of his time and it's not paying off quite well enough at this time, so he's cutting back on that investment. Perfectly fine. There's a terrible stigma in the gaming community against people creating new jobs that support their passions and the passions of everyone in the community, which is of course utterly ridiculous, but we've got to deal with it so it'd probably be best to keep the business side of things as private as possible for now. To make it public and paint it in a different light gives everyone an uncomfortable feeling.

In short, those tweets were terrible, the decision is not, and the community is sensitive and a bit crazy.

On February 17 2011 18:15 Sylvr wrote:
TotalBiscuit has got a TotalStick up his ass. Like Husky, his main following are the casual players/watchers, while SotG (and iNcontroL) caters to the more hardcore crowd. The hardcore crowd are the people that can appreciate a good trolling, and get a laugh out of the retarded drama, while a majority of the casuals will never even know that there WAS any drama. In the end, some mild rips from iNcontroL wouldn't even put a dent in TB's fanbase if he didn't draw attention to, and exaggerate it.

A lot of people tune into iNcontroL precisely BECAUSE he rips of people. What the uptight TB's and HuK's of the scene don't seem to get is that it's just playful banter. Not meant to be taken seriously. Furthermore, if you can't take some criticism and jabs from your contemporaries, then maybe you're in the wrong fucking business.

On February 18 2011 01:11 Defacer wrote:



This is a crap, bullshit, hypocritical answer.

The truth is if someone like Total Biscuit started questioning or "bantering" InControl's commitment to coaching over a live stream, InControl would have every right to be pissed. Because that would be his job that someone was fucking with.

And I'm sure you'd be the first one on the computer flaming TB and defending InControl.

SOTG's comments about TB weren't objective or useful criticism. You could hardly call it friendly ribbing. They were just busting a guys balls based on a lot of speculation. It was a mistake.

On February 17 2011 18:41 Sylvr wrote:
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I mean seriously, people ACTUALLY take offense at what iNcontroL says? I can't think of any reason why they would except that they must be stupid. He won't say it, but god damnit I will. Learn to recognize a joke, for fuck sake.

On February 18 2011 01:46 joheinous wrote:
can someone post the preshow they're always so much fun

On February 18 2011 01:18 CheeseGrater wrote:


So one could say they were, "Defacing" TotalBiscuit. God I am clever.

On February 18 2011 02:11 yamato77 wrote:
This thread brings up so much drama around the show, it is ridiculous. These criticisms, if that's the word you'd like to use, are toxic. If you like the content, then just enjoy it. If you don't, stop listening. No one is forcing you to listen to these guys express their candid opinions in an informal setting. This is not television, or some kind of business, it's a podcast done by some opinionated personalities in the SC2 community, and it should stay that way.

If they offend people, I say it's a good thing. The more raw and controversial these guys get, the more honest they're being. It's not interesting to have 4-6 people get together on skype and jack off to the latest big name to hit the community. I would much rather have them tear him a new one on air and get flack for it, because that is far more entertaining to listen to. I'm tired of the sanitary world outside that never has a bad thing to say about anybody except when it is politically relevant. This is StarCraft, a ridiculously competitive game, and I expect some of these guys to hate each other.

On February 18 2011 02:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:


You should probably read the rest of the thread, including the part where Incontrol said they shouldn't have discussed it because they didn't have the facts. It's why nobody, including myself, is getting hung up on Idra calling me the whiniest guy he knows. That's just trolling, whatever, doesn't matter. What mattered was the misinformation, stated as fact. That's been dealt with, apologised for and is now over and done.

And yes it is some kind of business. Everyone involved is in some way employed in eSports, how could it not be?

You lament the amount of drama and 'toxic criticism', yet you're causing more of it. If you're entertained by misinformation, there's a whole news network dedicated to doing just that you can watch.

On February 18 2011 02:24 FortyOzs wrote:
HES BACKKKKK.
But did they not have all the facts? What else am I missing about what happened

On February 18 2011 02:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:


You should probably read the rest of the thread, including the part where Incontrol said they shouldn't have discussed it because they didn't have the facts. It's why nobody, including myself, is getting hung up on Idra calling me the whiniest guy he knows. That's just trolling, whatever, doesn't matter. What mattered was the misinformation, stated as fact. That's been dealt with, apologised for and is now over and done.

And yes it is some kind of business. Everyone involved is in some way employed in eSports, how could it not be?

You lament the amount of drama and 'toxic criticism', yet you're causing more of it. If you're entertained by misinformation, there's a whole news network dedicated to doing just that you can watch.

On February 18 2011 02:33 yamato77 wrote:
I should have put a disclaimer, I suppose, stating that it mainly applied to people complaining about the overall manner of the show. Obviously, stating false information as fact is wrong in any way you spin it, and I have no issue with that particular complaint. However, if you read the rest of this thread that doesn't concern this latest podcast, you'll see the type of senseless whining and drama I refer to that has nothing to do with factual information, and everything to do with people taking comments out of context and overreacting to every little tidbit that could be construed as a bad word against someone else.

And I didn't say e-sports wasn't a business, I said this podcast isn't one. They aren't making this to sell to people. The only "advertisements" are shoutouts by the guys/guests themselves about whatever they're currently doing. There's no profits from it, and they make no claims of being professional in their commentary. I like it that way, personally.

There's no reason to flame me here, I'm not trying to offend you. I like your casts, and I'm sorry that things like this go on. I wish you the best in all your future endeavors. I just hope that the community holds true to what you say about not caring about offhanded opinions these guys express, because that is what I call toxic.