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On February 17 2011 09:02 Tyree wrote:
If anything TB ends up looking good at the end of the day here, he got dragged into all of this, defended himself and explained what happened and walked happily into the sunshine, without a care in the world.
I thought the exact opposite, in my opinion he handled it horribly. From what I've seen and heard, the guys on the podcast got some bad information, which they should have confirmed, then they criticised what they thought were TB's actions. Not malevolently (Incontrol also, ah, indicated he was not a fan of the guys casts and doesn't really know why people do like it. Which is honestly fair enough, if he doesn't like it why should TB care?).
TB hears about this and completely fails to keep his cool, getting into petty arguments with TL posters, name calling, accusing the SOTG guys of lying on purpose to slander him (I mean for fucks sake), and generally just going on and on and on and ON about it. For crying out loud, I'm pretty sure he's still going on about it on his twitter. For someone who hasn't watched his casts, I assure you it is entirely unappealing to say the least. And he's wondering why people aren't rushing to his defence in droves.
On Morrow, anyone who thinks they were hating on him either didn't listen to the cast or hears whatever the fuck they want to hear.
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On February 17 2011 06:11 ArturosII wrote:
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As soon as InControl found out that what they were talking about is wrong he backtracked and apologised which is more than what normally happens.
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We must not have listened to the same podcast. I heard the same rant twice, split by an "even so".
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On February 17 2011 03:31 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 03:25 superbabosheki wrote:On February 17 2011 03:19 GP wrote:iNcontroL is always asking for constructive criticism, so I hope he takes what he will of this and no offense, because he's a good portion of the reason I listen to SotG. I always wonder why so much drama surrounds iNcontroL. At first I just thought he's blunt and unapologetic with his opinions. But now I realize, that in spite of good will, Incontrol lacks tact. He can defend himself all he wants, but in the end of the day, the opinions he states are often unnecessary and overly aggressive. Maybe he didn't mean to offend Select, but his choice of words were aggressive and had little silver lining. To him it may have been "if he keeps using this TvP strat he'll start losing games, he should change up his strat" but to many people including me it sounded like "Select is garbage because he keeps using the same strat over and over." I can understand how his words were misconstrued and things were misunderstood, but this recent aggression against Total Biscuit is a little bit unfounded and I don't think any apologies can cover up the fact that, again drama is surrounding iNcontroL. I don't think this is about Geoff censoring his opinions, it's just about him maybe being a little more careful to not unnecessarily step on other peoples' toes. Shitting on TB for being "whiny" and a "terrible caster" (who apparently talks with an Australian accent) doesn't help grow The State of the Game's audience and in fact alienates a large portion of the audience that might follow TB or Husky (or whichever 'terrible' caster he's bashing on). If JP wants the audience to be a little bit more of a member's only club of people who only listen to Day9 and DJ Wheat then that's fine, it is what it is and I hope that doesn't change the way iNcontroL speaks his mind. Again, it's not about iNcontroL censoring his opinions, it's just about being a little more careful and tactful with them. Right now, aside from the having "little patience for in-depth discussions" this is exactly how I see iNcontroL: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmAll in all, to Total Biscuit: I hope you keep doing what you're doing because you're an entertaining shout-caster who needs a good commentator on your side to make some of the perfect casts. You shouldn't need to have iNcontroL's approval (and I hope you don't think that) and I hope you ignore the jabs and continue to bring in newbs into this awesome community. I think it's obvious you care about the growth of it and I can hear your passion. You're an entertainer, not an analysist and I think that's often lost on people. and to iNcontroL: I hope you keep doing what you're doing because well, no one's contesting your place in the community and how much you're building e-sports. If Day 9 is the glue that holds the community together, you're the guy who's building the competitive community more and more and being the unofficial "Flavor Flav" of SC2 hype. E-sports, serious business. Wow, you sure made a great point. Any other brilliant postulates you have? It's not about being serious and if you read anything I said, you'd realize that that's no where to be found.
You're trying to analyze a person you don't even know, and you wrote a shitload expecting people to care.
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Who said anything about Geoff not being on the show when he was also "being" TB?
He would just have to stay in TB character and never slip up when he was "being" TB and of course he could just be his normal wonderful self other times. Basically like a ventriloquist operates his dummy and speaks in 2 voices.
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On February 17 2011 09:24 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 09:17 nonsence wrote:
Morrow is the first person who has switched races in Starcraft 2 to reach 2 major finals, who else has accomplished that feat, EU, NA or Korea? Who can rival that?P
ZeNexByun Thats it? So only 2 players, wow Morrow is even more impressive then, especially considering he never went to Korea to practice or spend 2-3 years getting hardcore practice down. The kid is a natural talent
You've got a little brown on your nose there, buddy.
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Loved yesterday's SotG, although there was no mention of patch 1.21, at least not anything that I remember. Probably because nothing significant was changed anyway...Blizzard didn't even pop the new maps into the patch yet. I loved the IdrA highfive GIF!
Can't wait for the next SotG, keep it up!
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On February 17 2011 09:27 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 09:24 Tyree wrote:On February 17 2011 09:17 nonsence wrote:
Morrow is the first person who has switched races in Starcraft 2 to reach 2 major finals, who else has accomplished that feat, EU, NA or Korea? Who can rival that?P
ZeNexByun Thats it? So only 2 players, wow Morrow is even more impressive then, especially considering he never went to Korea to practice or spend 2-3 years getting hardcore practice down. The kid is a natural talent You've got a little brown on your nose there, buddy.
you must have your head in idra's ass because the fact that morrow won iem as terran, then switched to zerg because everyone qq'ed, and still can rape top players is an quite an accomplishment
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Just wanted to say thanks to JP and everyone on the show for bringing us great commentary and an awesome podcast. Love listening to your show at work, or while driving. Hope you guys keep it up!
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They only said MorroW's ZvZ is lackluster (at a top level); they actually said his ZvT and ZvP are "brilliant" and "beautiful".
Find the "morrow hate" for me there? Seems there are many of the thin-skinned here at TL.
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On February 17 2011 09:24 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 09:17 nonsence wrote:
Morrow is the first person who has switched races in Starcraft 2 to reach 2 major finals, who else has accomplished that feat, EU, NA or Korea? Who can rival that?P
ZeNexByun Thats it? So only 2 players, wow Morrow is even more impressive then, especially considering he never went to Korea to practice or spend 2-3 years getting hardcore practice down. The kid is a natural talent
There hasnt exactly been a lot of high profile players that have switched race since the release of sc2 to my knowledge though, so dunno how big of an feat we can really say it is.
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On February 17 2011 09:25 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 03:31 GP wrote:On February 17 2011 03:25 superbabosheki wrote:On February 17 2011 03:19 GP wrote:iNcontroL is always asking for constructive criticism, so I hope he takes what he will of this and no offense, because he's a good portion of the reason I listen to SotG. I always wonder why so much drama surrounds iNcontroL. At first I just thought he's blunt and unapologetic with his opinions. But now I realize, that in spite of good will, Incontrol lacks tact. He can defend himself all he wants, but in the end of the day, the opinions he states are often unnecessary and overly aggressive. Maybe he didn't mean to offend Select, but his choice of words were aggressive and had little silver lining. To him it may have been "if he keeps using this TvP strat he'll start losing games, he should change up his strat" but to many people including me it sounded like "Select is garbage because he keeps using the same strat over and over." I can understand how his words were misconstrued and things were misunderstood, but this recent aggression against Total Biscuit is a little bit unfounded and I don't think any apologies can cover up the fact that, again drama is surrounding iNcontroL. I don't think this is about Geoff censoring his opinions, it's just about him maybe being a little more careful to not unnecessarily step on other peoples' toes. Shitting on TB for being "whiny" and a "terrible caster" (who apparently talks with an Australian accent) doesn't help grow The State of the Game's audience and in fact alienates a large portion of the audience that might follow TB or Husky (or whichever 'terrible' caster he's bashing on). If JP wants the audience to be a little bit more of a member's only club of people who only listen to Day9 and DJ Wheat then that's fine, it is what it is and I hope that doesn't change the way iNcontroL speaks his mind. Again, it's not about iNcontroL censoring his opinions, it's just about being a little more careful and tactful with them. Right now, aside from the having "little patience for in-depth discussions" this is exactly how I see iNcontroL: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htmAll in all, to Total Biscuit: I hope you keep doing what you're doing because you're an entertaining shout-caster who needs a good commentator on your side to make some of the perfect casts. You shouldn't need to have iNcontroL's approval (and I hope you don't think that) and I hope you ignore the jabs and continue to bring in newbs into this awesome community. I think it's obvious you care about the growth of it and I can hear your passion. You're an entertainer, not an analysist and I think that's often lost on people. and to iNcontroL: I hope you keep doing what you're doing because well, no one's contesting your place in the community and how much you're building e-sports. If Day 9 is the glue that holds the community together, you're the guy who's building the competitive community more and more and being the unofficial "Flavor Flav" of SC2 hype. E-sports, serious business. Wow, you sure made a great point. Any other brilliant postulates you have? It's not about being serious and if you read anything I said, you'd realize that that's no where to be found. You're trying to analyze a person you don't even know, and you wrote a shitload expecting people to care.
I care. The community needs more of him and less of you.
Anyway, TB has entertaining if shallow casts, and is definitely way oversensitive. He needs a good analyst to make a good combo -- although honestly, his pacing and hyperactive style don't really float my boat.
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Anyone else just eating popcorn while reading this thread? 
In all seriousness though:
People chill the fuck out. Its over. Incontrol, er im sorry, THE Incontrol apologized.
TotalBiscuit, aka SHOUTcraft accepted the apology. Its over, let it go, let it go.
Morrow does suck at ZvZ.
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As always, a great cast, i didnt like the TB part, but thats already been taking care of.
What always pops up in my mind when iNcontrol mention casters like TB/Husky/HD who isnt as knowledged about the game as iNc/day9 ect, is that he's right there with JP who is in my oppinion is in the exact same boat as those beforementioned casters.
Dont get me wrong though, i love both JP, DJWheat and TB as much as i love iNc or Day9. It just makes me feel abit... odd. Wonder if JP ever though of it like that.
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So much drama in this thread wow...
It's unfortunate that some misinformation was spread about TB through the broadcast, but like they said it was more of a rumor mill type thing. Still doesn't justify it all, but at least apologies were said and hopefully matters are settled.
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On February 17 2011 09:58 Silan wrote:
As always, a great cast, i didnt like the TB part, but thats already been taking care of.
What always pops up in my mind when iNcontrol mention casters like TB/Husky/HD who isnt as knowledged about the game as iNc/day9 ect, is that he's right there with JP who is in my oppinion is in the exact same boat as those beforementioned casters.
Dont get me wrong though, i love both JP, DJWheat and TB as much as i love iNc or Day9. It just makes me feel abit... odd. Wonder if JP ever though of it like that.
See, I don't know about that anymore.
I wasn't a fan of JP during the King of the Beta (which was the first time I heard him), but I think he keeps getting better and better every time he does an event. He did say that he tries to play at least 2 hours a day and his rating is a low masters as random. It also feels like he grabs just about every pro he can to teach him on air and makes an event of it.
I think it's all paying off on his casts.
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On February 17 2011 09:58 Silan wrote:
As always, a great cast, i didnt like the TB part, but thats already been taking care of.
What always pops up in my mind when iNcontrol mention casters like TB/Husky/HD who isnt as knowledged about the game as iNc/day9 ect, is that he's right there with JP who is in my oppinion is in the exact same boat as those beforementioned casters.
Dont get me wrong though, i love both JP, DJWheat and TB as much as i love iNc or Day9. It just makes me feel abit... odd. Wonder if JP ever though of it like that.
The difference is that JP and Wheat know what they don't know and surround themselves with people that complement their weaknesses. Casters that are always casting alone inevitably come up short in one way or another. It seems that most people are ok if someone's play-by-play isn't the best but their analysis is on point. Having really great play-by-play but weak analysis just doesn't fly generally. A source of information being frequently wrong is naturally annoying. JP and Wheat don't try to be everything all the time are great at deferring to more knowledgeable casters when is appropriate.
If TB/Husky/HD would focus on their strengths and supplement themselves with good analysts they'd have far less people hating on them. They figured out in sports broadcasting a long, long time ago that you need multiple commentators with distinct roles to have a good cast. People that ignore decades of progress and development in a discipline are inevitably going to put out a substandard product and get called out for it.
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Is anyone else having trouble downloading this episode? The download starts out at a decent speed and then slows to a crawl. Although, I'm not sure if I want to listen to this episode. It sounds like it wasn't as good as some previous episodes have been.
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On February 17 2011 10:44 zemiron wrote:
Is anyone else having trouble downloading this episode? The download starts out at a decent speed and then slows to a crawl. Although, I'm not sure if I want to listen to this episode. It sounds like it wasn't as good as some previous episodes have been.
Yes. This download speed is killing me. Exited to listen though!
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On February 17 2011 11:00 SolShock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 10:44 zemiron wrote:
Is anyone else having trouble downloading this episode? The download starts out at a decent speed and then slows to a crawl. Although, I'm not sure if I want to listen to this episode. It sounds like it wasn't as good as some previous episodes have been. Yes. This download speed is killing me. Exited to listen though!
Pause the download and then resume every time it slows down. This speeds it up a lot, at least it worked for me.
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On February 17 2011 10:34 mucker wrote:
If TB/Husky/HD would focus on their strengths and supplement themselves with good analysts they'd have far less people hating on them. They figured out in sports broadcasting a long, long time ago that you need multiple commentators with distinct roles to have a good cast. People that ignore decades of progress and development in a discipline are inevitably going to put out a substandard product and get called out for it.
I'm not sure you really understand how logistically difficult this actually is. I know for a fact that should be happening, I should be teaming up with someone as an analytical co-commentator, but I live in a country where I am the only damn SC2 commentator (Apollo buggered off to Europe for a while). VOIP commentary sucks because you have no non-verbal cues to go off of, it's awkward, suffers from latency and technical problems and causes a noticeable reduction in audio quality, not to mention the difficulty of getting it scheduled with timezones and such.
The problem comes down to the fact that the only regular commentary team (Tastosis) is in the only place where SC2 is centralised. Aside from that and the occassional once/twice year tournaments in Europe and the US, it's all online. Hopefully the MLG will change this but most of the casting done on a week to week basis is for online tournaments. There isn't the opportunity for casting teams to exist in the way that you want them to. It ain't down to lack of will, I want to be casting in a team and sticking to the play-by-play. That's all I want to do, that's what I'm best at, that's where I can put my experience in broadcasting into action and not let mt inexperience in SC2 drag me down. But how can that be done? It's not as easy as you make it out to be.
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