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Island
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden22 Posts
November 25 2010 12:41 GMT
#5501
GJ with the timestamp!
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 12:54:30
November 25 2010 12:53 GMT
#5502
On November 25 2010 09:54 Cade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote:
I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal.

Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4.


You obviously don't really know what you are talking about. Group size of 4 is great, and pretty much ideal. Especially when it's BO3


Basically no real life sport runs best of three in the group stages (read: regular season), they all run formats such that every match counts for points. Real life sports can be pretty damn volatile too. It's just that most real life sports run group stages with more matches, which is exactly what I'm proposing by expanding the size of the groups. Having best of whatever series isn't the only way to limit random luck.
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
November 25 2010 13:00 GMT
#5503
BTW nobody is going to tell them they're assholes for the way they treated avilo on the cast? After the SelecT drama it seems like a huge wasted trolling opportunity by those so inclined.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 13:08:14
November 25 2010 13:06 GMT
#5504
I also critized the show for the lack of knowlage of the european scene. You can't really comment on the groups when you don't know the players (e.g. I didn't know who Nestea and Foxer were before GSL 2). I'm not saying that you should follow European tournaments, but you can invite a guest who does it when you talk about European tournaments.

I love the show, I love the hosts and I think most Europeans feel the same even though they might not agree with all your comments. Keep up the good work!

Everybody says that Morrow only did great at IEM because of the reaper. That's not true. He won against Huk, TLO, Dimaga (most matches without abusing reapers if I remember correctly) and Idra.


FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
November 25 2010 13:10 GMT
#5505
On November 25 2010 21:53 Shakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 09:54 Cade wrote:
On November 25 2010 09:09 Shakes wrote:
I'm going to defend the indefensible and say something in favour of the "best of one" (which isn't really, it's just a round robin group stage). I don't think there is a problem with it in and of itself, the problem is the groups are too small at size 4. If you have groups of 8 or even larger then playing only one match against each player in your group wouldn't be a problem, losing one match is no longer such a big deal.

Honestly I don't even really see the point in having a round robin group stage when you only have groups of size 4.


You obviously don't really know what you are talking about. Group size of 4 is great, and pretty much ideal. Especially when it's BO3


Basically no real life sport runs best of three in the group stages (read: regular season), they all run formats such that every match counts for points. Real life sports can be pretty damn volatile too. It's just that most real life sports run group stages with more matches, which is exactly what I'm proposing by expanding the size of the groups. Having best of whatever series isn't the only way to limit random luck.


But no real life sports (i know of) have different maps like starcraft has... And that's a pretty huge factor imho...
Kevmeister @ Dota2
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 25 2010 13:39 GMT
#5506
I have a question, is there a page where one can read the hosts and guests for a show beforehand? Because it would make sending in questions easier, but I couldn't find something like that, but maybe I'm just blind.
And JP, when is the best time for sending a question to you per eMail? Right before the Show, in the midst of two, right after?
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
November 25 2010 13:44 GMT
#5507
On November 25 2010 22:39 kazansky wrote:
I have a question, is there a page where one can read the hosts and guests for a show beforehand? Because it would make sending in questions easier, but I couldn't find something like that, but maybe I'm just blind.
And JP, when is the best time for sending a question to you per eMail? Right before the Show, in the midst of two, right after?

During the week is fine. I don't pick out e-mails until about an hour or so before the show.
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
November 25 2010 13:57 GMT
#5508
On November 25 2010 22:00 Shakes wrote:
BTW nobody is going to tell them they're assholes for the way they treated avilo on the cast? After the SelecT drama it seems like a huge wasted trolling opportunity by those so inclined.


guess even the trolls that keep raging about evrything hate crybabys that call ret a dodger
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
November 25 2010 16:18 GMT
#5509
On November 25 2010 22:00 Shakes wrote:
BTW nobody is going to tell them they're assholes for the way they treated avilo on the cast? After the SelecT drama it seems like a huge wasted trolling opportunity by those so inclined.


Who the fuck is avilo?

I am not young enough to know everything.
Magikarp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States32 Posts
November 25 2010 16:30 GMT
#5510
On November 26 2010 01:18 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 22:00 Shakes wrote:
BTW nobody is going to tell them they're assholes for the way they treated avilo on the cast? After the SelecT drama it seems like a huge wasted trolling opportunity by those so inclined.


Who the fuck is avilo?


Remember the ghost mech thread that was around for ages? That was him. He's a pretty decent T thats been in the top 200 pretty consistently.
"Hit 'em with a splash attack."
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 16:37:45
November 25 2010 16:34 GMT
#5511
So many butthurt and bitter people in this thread, they're gonna comment on alot of things, sometimes on things they don't know much about, because guess what.. YOU CANT KNOW EVERYTHING and guess what, its a TALK SHOW!

Incontrol shouldnt feel obliged to go and look up 312 Go4SC2 cups to see who the "top" players in EU are in order to comment on them on a talk show.

Most of the players he doesn't know about haven't done jack shit in any international tourney or major lan so I don't know what all this fuss is about.

I'm really ashamed to be european on this site sometimes, some of you guys are SO STUCK UP AND TOUCHY
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
November 25 2010 16:38 GMT
#5512
don't do it JP!! Don't give into WoW!
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 25 2010 16:41 GMT
#5513
01. Duckload.White-Ra (P)
02. mTw DIMAGA (Z)
03. Mouz MorroW (Z/T)
04. TLAF-Liquid TheLittleOne (T/Z)
05. TLAF-Liquid Tyler(aka Nony) (P)
06. RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK(T) (oGs.Inca)
07. Fnatic Fenix (T)
08. aTn Socke (P)
09. Dignitas Sjow (T)
10. EG IdrA (Z) (TLAF-Liquid HuK)
11. Mouz Naama (T) – Invited
12. RAGE Tarson (T) – Invited
13. fnatic Lucifron (T) – Invited
14. mTw DeMusliM (T) – Invited
15. SK MaDFroG (Z) – Invited
------------------

These are the invited players. I'd advice anyone who thinks any of these are nonames to wise up and get a clue about the SC2 scene outside of NA. Especially if you're gonna sit on podcast with thousands of listeners. I loved the show otherwise but this 'discussion' was just painful to listen to
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
November 25 2010 16:48 GMT
#5514
They didn't say the above were no names, but the other randos that qualified. I don't think it's unreasonable to be like 'who the heck is elfi and thorzain?' If we've heard of people like MadFrog and Tarson (Who, if you watch their games, make so many mistakes it's painful) then we probably shouldn't even care about them.

Although I want adelscott to win the tourny.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 16:50:18
November 25 2010 16:49 GMT
#5515
On November 26 2010 01:34 Senx wrote:
So many butthurt and bitter people in this thread, they're gonna comment on alot of things, sometimes on things they don't know much about, because guess what.. YOU CANT KNOW EVERYTHING and guess what, its a TALK SHOW!

Incontrol shouldnt feel obliged to go and look up 312 Go4SC2 cups to see who the "top" players in EU are in order to comment on them on a talk show.

Most of the players he doesn't know about haven't done jack shit in any international tourney or major lan so I don't know what all this fuss is about.

I'm really ashamed to be european on this site sometimes, some of you guys are SO STUCK UP AND TOUCHY


Europe

The continent where we love to sit around the campfire and talk about how the swedes never talk, the brittish cant cook, the french never showers, the germans drive to fast, the irish drinks to much, the dutch is high all the time, the spanish sleeps all day, the italians are all mafia, the polish sells amphetamine, the finns fights with knifes and the greeks fucks our wifes while we are on holliday...

We can only unite around one thing, when an american opens his mouth and talks about europe!
I am not young enough to know everything.
SoftMachine
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden11 Posts
November 25 2010 17:50 GMT
#5516
On November 25 2010 17:45 Mellotron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 13:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 25 2010 13:00 Mellotron wrote:
Ive loved every State of the Game since the beginning, but the latest one just wasnt any good. No offense but i just dont like PainUser at all. Maybe im just not into giant basketball shorts or something, who knows. Also, i really am not into hearing about garbage tv shows and mindless electronica. Dont let the show jump the shark already. It was improving weekly, but now its falling a bit in my personal opinion. Keep idra, keep incontrol, bring back artosis, tyler, and day9 when possible, no more painuser , no more dexter, no more weak clubbing stories. If i wanted to hear about all that all id have to do is log into facebook and talk to anyone age 18-35. Please keep it about Starcraft for gods sake some of us dont care about whats on tv or how easy it is for white youngish males to feel comfortable and egotistically satisfied while in the presence of techno. I love SofTG but this last one was weak.


Personal stories are what make the podcast amusing. The best time to listen to these people talk about Starcraft is when they're sharing personal stories and anecdotes about tournaments, lans, get togethers, etc... If they seriously just spoke about sc2 for 2 1/2 hours it would get old, boring, and stale within 2-3 weeks. Personality is what keeps is going and entertaining.

Further, as somebody else stated, the "clubbing" discussion lasted like no time whatsoever.... did you love hearing about IdrA's daily life of sc2? They're giving you insight and you're mad that PainUser spends time having fun? Holy dog shit, better not like him anymore.


I dont hate painuser as in i want bad shit to happen to him or anything, i just dont like him on the show because his manner of speaking, voice, perspective, and contributions are all annoying to me. His voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and he sounds so afraid to say something wrong even when he is pretending to think hes right. I can hear in his vocal tone his fear of being proven wrong. And thats not something i like to say outloud because its a bit mean, but i just dont like it. Ive waited for SofTG every single time since it started, and was hugely entertained by all of them. Now suddenly there is Painuser making me not want to listen anymore. Thats all im saying. If they decide to keep him fine, its not my show. But when people, even if its just a few, are saying "hey this dude takes the shows level of humor and entertainment value and puts it in the dumpster" then maybe its worth at least posting here as feedback. Do what you want, but the dude annoyed me every time ive heard/seen him speak publicly. Its rare that i dont like someone in the SC "community" but i just dont like him. Thats all there is to it. To me his personality flaws and lack of insight to the game are a distraction during the cast. Id rather have a TLO soundbyte collection than painuser on the cast.

As far as "clubbing" stories go, it just isnt interesting to hear some guy say he likes techno. I can take one look at that dude and tell he "likes techno". To spend time during a SC2 show to talk about it is not why i come here to DL this like a fiend every week. Am i crazy for feeling like a SC2 cast should be about SC2? There is so much going on right now that i dont think they could fit it all anyways. So wasting time on that is just not that great.

On a side note if you are a dude trying to charm a girl, no matter what you are into, dont be scared to say "hell yeah i do ______". Chicks like a guy who is proud of his life and his interests. Maybe professional gaming isnt on par with being a fireman or whatever on a girls list but taking pride in what you do and doing it well is part of changing how people see things. So the next time youre at a "club" and some girl finds out youre a professional Starcraft player say "FUCK YEAH i play Starcraft professionally", call her Lisa even if her name is Michelle, and go dance with her best friend. There is no shame in playing this game professionally. People who dont get it (what a serious thing professional gaming is) need to change their mind about it, not the other way around.


PainUser seems open minded and willing to learn stuff. He doesn't seem to have the need to defend himself that bad against Incontrols jokes (like when incontrol jokes about PainUsers interest in clubbing cause he wants to feel safe in his relationship). Incontrol and Idra är nice aswell but I actually think they show more insecurity than PainUser. PU just seems more open minded, or perhaps have less of a need to always be perfect in what he says.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 25 2010 18:10 GMT
#5517
jesus

i fucking low how terrible this thread is roflfl
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 18:14:39
November 25 2010 18:14 GMT
#5518
On November 26 2010 03:10 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
jesus

i fucking low how terrible this thread is roflfl


All the dramaqueens are a part of the show now
I am not young enough to know everything.
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
November 25 2010 18:23 GMT
#5519
Incontrol for your own best! As one of the fellow Europeans without any animosity against any people of the cast I just have to say...

Don't worry, be happy!
Meh
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 25 2010 20:26 GMT
#5520
On November 26 2010 01:18 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 22:00 Shakes wrote:
BTW nobody is going to tell them they're assholes for the way they treated avilo on the cast? After the SelecT drama it seems like a huge wasted trolling opportunity by those so inclined.


Who the fuck is avilo?



Ok Shakas why would anybody feel pity for Avilo at all? When all he does on these forums are rage about tvp being unwinnable and more so his tvz posts being unwinnable unless you all in. A lot of people think of him as a joke hence the "what is avilo doing wrong?" comment which wasn't even that bad to begin with...
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