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freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
July 01 2012 03:11 GMT
#48901
I think that the SOTG hosts (pillars seem a little bit presumptuous) should recognize the fact that they made many people angry with their uncouth behaviour, and should issue an official apology towards Avilo (and eventually Mia Rose).
This would probably extinguish this whole pitchfork.

Be the better men, grow up!
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 01 2012 03:12 GMT
#48902
On July 01 2012 12:11 freakhill wrote:
I think that the SOTG hosts (pillars seem a little bit presumptuous) should recognize the fact that they made many people angry with their uncouth behaviour, and should issue an official apology towards Avilo (and eventually Mia Rose).
This would probably extinguish this whole pitchfork.

Be the better men, grow up!


Tyler/JP both apologised. Not going to happen the community found something to be upset at and are going to stay upset about it for another day or so until something else happens. That's how it always seems to happen.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
July 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#48903
@Nutwagon yeah he did break down at the end and made some stupid argumentative points. However, he didn't raise his voice, no one did. In addition, Idra was the one who told him to STFU and called him "Fucking terrible." As he stated, Avilo didn't use personal attacks, whereas Idra did. My point was that Idra really needs to grow up.
Infocus
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 03:17:10
July 01 2012 03:15 GMT
#48904
I don't understand why this issue is so big.

Avilo was making nonsensical comments and interrupting Idra.

Jeff was making fun of people.

Idra lost his cool.

It only lasted 5 minutes or so. You guys make it sound like there was a turf war. Is there some deeper meaning behind what happened that I'm missing? It was pretty anti climatic when I watched the episode after all the hype. Personally, QXC's reference to mass BC's in TvZ lategame was the most interesting part.
EDIT: grammatical errors
My ZvZ mentality " My muta micro is better than your muta micro "
Mabius
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada323 Posts
July 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#48905
This is just a huge embarrassment for the NA SC2 Scene in general.. If i was a sponsor and saw this happening I would seriously question who to get involved with. I really wonder if Koreans deal with this type of behavior on a day to day basis. My guess is that they have a bit more class since their culture is more of a respect driven one.
"Every revolution carries within it the seeds of it's own destruction.. and empires that rise will one day fall"
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#48906
On July 01 2012 12:08 Kich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 12:04 Nutwagon wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:58 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
People have been saying that it wasn't Idra's fault that they brought Avilo on the show and he blew up. Excuse me, Idra isn't five years old. He should be able to handle talking with someone he doesn't like. This isn't kindergarten, this is a discussion amongst ADULTS.


Could say the same about Avilo as well.. Honestly it didn't start out that bad at first, but voices raised really fast. It wasn't just Idra yelling the whole time since Avilo didn't exactly keep his cool either.


That's kind of an understatement. Avilo lost control entirely. He was pushed into an uncomfortable situation and handled it how most socially awkward people do, freak out and start shouting things.


I think it needs to be said that he pushed himself into that situation. It's not like he was an unwilling participant; he'd been agitating to be on SotG since the previous show.
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Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
July 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#48907
On July 01 2012 12:11 freakhill wrote:
I think that the SOTG hosts (pillars seem a little bit presumptuous) should recognize the fact that they made many people angry with their uncouth behaviour, and should issue an official apology towards Avilo (and eventually Mia Rose).
This would probably extinguish this whole pitchfork.

Be the better men, grow up!


An apology would not do anything to extinguish the pitchforks. The community was hungry for a big drama. They got it and won't back down until every scrap of the drama has been consumed.
4 Corners in a day.
Kich
Profile Joined April 2011
United States339 Posts
July 01 2012 03:20 GMT
#48908
On July 01 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 12:08 Kich wrote:
On July 01 2012 12:04 Nutwagon wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:58 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
People have been saying that it wasn't Idra's fault that they brought Avilo on the show and he blew up. Excuse me, Idra isn't five years old. He should be able to handle talking with someone he doesn't like. This isn't kindergarten, this is a discussion amongst ADULTS.


Could say the same about Avilo as well.. Honestly it didn't start out that bad at first, but voices raised really fast. It wasn't just Idra yelling the whole time since Avilo didn't exactly keep his cool either.


That's kind of an understatement. Avilo lost control entirely. He was pushed into an uncomfortable situation and handled it how most socially awkward people do, freak out and start shouting things.


I think it needs to be said that he pushed himself into that situation. It's not like he was an unwilling participant; he'd been agitating to be on SotG since the previous show.


And that's the point. Avilo is acting like a victim here, he knew that would happen. Unless he's actually mentally retarded, he knew that was going to happen and willingly accepted it. He wanted it to happen, he got it to happen, and he's extremely happy that it did.
DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
July 01 2012 03:23 GMT
#48909
i think the host needs a "balancer"...Day9 used to be the "balancer"....when a agruement or discussion goes bad...you would often see him stepping up neutralize it a bit...Nony actually would be a good person for that role but he decided not to...
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
iGoTThiZ
Profile Joined August 2011
103 Posts
July 01 2012 03:29 GMT
#48910
Out of all the community's i have been a part of, this one is by far the most EMO one. ANYTHING out of the ordinary happens and you guys overreact so hard its funny. I mean you guys take it so far at times that you even send mail to peoples employers to get them fired. These guys are wasting two hours of their time to do a show that they do not get paid for just for your entertainment. Let me say it again, they do it for FREE. There is absolutely no need for them to act any different than their usual self to be "professional". It's a get together between friends where they just talk about starcraft in general, no real different than what you guys would be doing with your friends. You guys are so emo you make it to be like Incontrol and Idra came over to Avilos house and beat him up or something extreme when all that was said was "shut the fuck". Big fucking deal man....its like if some of you have have absolutely no experience with having friends. From what i have read most of them have apologized already and you guys continue. Move on with your lives folks.
Nutwagon
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada10 Posts
July 01 2012 03:30 GMT
#48911
On July 01 2012 12:20 Kich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On July 01 2012 12:08 Kich wrote:
On July 01 2012 12:04 Nutwagon wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:58 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
People have been saying that it wasn't Idra's fault that they brought Avilo on the show and he blew up. Excuse me, Idra isn't five years old. He should be able to handle talking with someone he doesn't like. This isn't kindergarten, this is a discussion amongst ADULTS.


Could say the same about Avilo as well.. Honestly it didn't start out that bad at first, but voices raised really fast. It wasn't just Idra yelling the whole time since Avilo didn't exactly keep his cool either.


That's kind of an understatement. Avilo lost control entirely. He was pushed into an uncomfortable situation and handled it how most socially awkward people do, freak out and start shouting things.


I think it needs to be said that he pushed himself into that situation. It's not like he was an unwilling participant; he'd been agitating to be on SotG since the previous show.


And that's the point. Avilo is acting like a victim here, he knew that would happen. Unless he's actually mentally retarded, he knew that was going to happen and willingly accepted it. He wanted it to happen, he got it to happen, and he's extremely happy that it did.


And now he's mad that it did xD.. But I agree with your earlier comment, it was more or less Avilo interrupting/trying to correct Idra, and when he finally had enough he told him to stfu, which kind of makes sense because it was more arguing than discussing it seemed.

@Inquisitor1323, You were right, the voices actually didn't raise all that much, surprisingly (just rewatched part of it).
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#48912
On July 01 2012 12:14 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
@Nutwagon yeah he did break down at the end and made some stupid argumentative points. However, he didn't raise his voice, no one did. In addition, Idra was the one who told him to STFU and called him "Fucking terrible." As he stated, Avilo didn't use personal attacks, whereas Idra did. My point was that Idra really needs to grow up.


Again in fairness, avilo was awfully passive-aggressive. He may not have said "you're fucking terrible" but he wasn't polite at all. He started by trying to change the subject to his beef with Geoff, then did the whole "I refuse to sink to your terrible, pathetic level" bit.
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Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
July 01 2012 03:44 GMT
#48913
JP, Geoff, and Idra were in a position of power and they abused it. Despite Avilo being a bit obnoxious I doubt he'd done anything to injure the hosts beyond some heated words. You can argue eye-for-an-eye all you want, but I think a lot of us expected the "pillars" of the community to display more grace and maturity and were shocked to see a display of playground bullying. This was supposed to be sound discussion of the game from authoritative sources not daytime television. JP and Geoff I think got carried away and lost discretion - that's forgivable.

But as for Idra, at one point I thought the bm and balance complaints were tongue-in-cheek and he'd be a swell guy offline. The last show indicates it's not all an act. I consider myself an Idra fan - which is why I hope he takes this opportunity to become a bigger man than he currently is.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 01 2012 03:50 GMT
#48914
On July 01 2012 12:44 Savant wrote:
JP, Geoff, and Idra were in a position of power and they abused it. Despite Avilo being a bit obnoxious I doubt he'd done anything to injure the hosts beyond some heated words. You can argue eye-for-an-eye all you want, but I think a lot of us expected the "pillars" of the community to display more grace and maturity and were shocked to see a display of playground bullying. This was supposed to be sound discussion of the game from authoritative sources not daytime television. JP and Geoff I think got carried away and lost discretion - that's forgivable.

But as for Idra, at one point I thought the bm and balance complaints were tongue-in-cheek and he'd be a swell guy offline. The last show indicates it's not all an act. I consider myself an Idra fan - which is why I hope he takes this opportunity to become a bigger man than he currently is.



Lol love how many people are being overly dramatic in this thread. I started reading the drama in this thread before I actually listened to the episode, so when I started listening to it I was expecting some sort of really heated argument that got way out of hand. But nope, turned out to be very brief and not a big deal at all lol.

Just stop criticizing the hosts, you have nothing new or interesting to say about this. The "punishment" has run its course, this is no longer a big deal. Anyone who is still posting in this thread to argue against the SOTG hosts is just in it for the drama. Move on and do something worthwhile with your time, this horse has already been beaten to death.
SupItsG
Profile Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
July 01 2012 03:51 GMT
#48915
On July 01 2012 12:44 Savant wrote:
But as for Idra, at one point I thought the bm and balance complaints were tongue-in-cheek and he'd be a swell guy offline. The last show indicates it's not all an act. I consider myself an Idra fan - which is why I hope he takes this opportunity to become a bigger man than he currently is.


Have you not ever in your entire life, told someone to stfu?
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
July 01 2012 03:53 GMT
#48916
On July 01 2012 12:29 iGoTThiZ wrote:
Out of all the community's i have been a part of, this one is by far the most EMO one. ANYTHING out of the ordinary happens and you guys overreact so hard its funny. I mean you guys take it so far at times that you even send mail to peoples employers to get them fired. These guys are wasting two hours of their time to do a show that they do not get paid for just for your entertainment. Let me say it again, they do it for FREE. There is absolutely no need for them to act any different than their usual self to be "professional". It's a get together between friends where they just talk about starcraft in general, no real different than what you guys would be doing with your friends. You guys are so emo you make it to be like Incontrol and Idra came over to Avilos house and beat him up or something extreme when all that was said was "shut the fuck". Big fucking deal man....its like if some of you have have absolutely no experience with having friends. From what i have read most of them have apologized already and you guys continue. Move on with your lives folks.


lol do you really think they do it because they are so warm hearted? xD obviously they do it for exposure/promoting themself.... I wouldn't even be surprised if they also earned some money with it.
Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
July 01 2012 03:54 GMT
#48917
The people can hate on IdrA and INcontrol all they want nut IdrA is actually reddit proof and the trolls hate it... the pitchforks will never take down IdrA... just move on so you dont get so mad when IdrA wins
"Wonder what this game would be like if protoss units cost money" - IdrA
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
July 01 2012 03:55 GMT
#48918
come back 24 hours later and this stuff is still going on comon guys about time to move on
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Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
July 01 2012 03:56 GMT
#48919
You guys who think every time Incontrol says something mean or offensive that it's just a joke, and that how he acts is clever and not just bullying, are delusional. This is just another instance of him showing his true colors, when someone else does something they are bad, when he does it he is just joking around or doing it for good reasons. Biggest hypocrite in the entire community.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=248967&currentpage=30#588
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
July 01 2012 03:57 GMT
#48920
idra and avilo are both immature and very childish

simple as that

i understand idra gets mad at people, but in life you kind of have to keep your cool sometimes, it's called being mature
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