EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2336
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
Get over your selves. Anyway, thanks for the great show JP. Keep up the great work. There are still some of us who appreciate what you do! | ||
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sdecker32
United States38 Posts
However, while this is true, it is exactly what i would expect, and does not detract from my enjoyment of the show at all. These guys are pro-gamers, and I do not expect them to look at things objectively. I can count on one hand the number of pros that i have heard talking about balance without any seeming bias, and it is not what i expect. Sure, it would be great to have a terran on the show to talk about tvz and what the issues are and what solutions are, but SoTG is not required to do this, it is not as if this is the only thing worth talking about. The reason we like most of the hosts is b/c they are outspoken and say whatever they want, so do not be suprised when two protoss players and a zerg who still have the era of GomTvT fresh in their minds offer little sympathy to terrans struggling(not saying that this is good or bad). STOP getting so hung up on this. If you think tvz is imbalanced thats fine,you are entitled to your opinion, why do you have to feel validated by a sc2 talk show that promises no such thing? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 22 2012 01:17 sdecker32 wrote: As a terran player, fan of SOTG, and reasonable person, I think that yes - If it was protoss or zerg that was havign a really tough time we would hear more about it, just as we did from incontrol and idra when their races were havign very hard times, and that it is easy to get a slight bit annoyed by their not taking an apparent severe(even if incredibly short lived) imbalance seriously. However, while this is true, it is exactly what i would expect, and does not detract from my enjoyment of the show at all. These guys are pro-gamers, and I do not expect them to look at things objectively. I can count on one hand the number of pros that i have heard talking about balance without any seeming bias, and it is not what i expect. Sure, it would be great to have a terran on the show to talk about tvz and what the issues are and what solutions are, but SoTG is not required to do this, it is not as if this is the only thing worth talking about. The reason we like most of the hosts is b/c they are outspoken and say whatever they want, so do not be suprised when two protoss players and a zerg who still have the era of GomTvT fresh in their minds offer little sympathy to terrans struggling(not saying that this is good or bad). STOP getting so hung up on this. If you think tvz is imbalanced thats fine,you are entitled to your opinion, why do you have to feel validated by a sc2 talk show that promises no such thing? You sir are awesome. A lot of players are seeking validation that the match up they are having trouble with is broken. It is human nature to want it. Getting upset because a specific show does not provide you with this is a bit silly, but we are on the internet. JP is awesome and the guys need to keep doing what they are doing. Also, I don't know if it is because you are swamped, but how goes the hunt for a sponsor? I don't know how much you folks are looking for, but you may want to crowd source the hunt to some trusted, capable fans. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
To those pointing out "GSL code s players have said it's imbalanced", there's a few things you have to take into consideration, and it all has to do with bias. The person pointing it out, most assuredly will be posting whatever information can possibly support them, especially if they can use appeals to authorities as their main source of evidence. And the players themselves that state those opinions often are the ones who are frustrated at the moment from not performing as well lately and should be taken as venting more than stating imbalance. This recent generation of gamers have been too spoiled by companies catering to their complaints when they face challenges. Instead of facing the challenges head on and finding ways to overcome them, they want Blizzard to step in and eliminate the challenge for them. Throughout SC:BW there were periods where it seemed one race was dominating for a while. Over time players developed new ways of dealing with these challenges, as well as changes in maps, and the game continued on with new races stepping up as dominant. The complaining about balances is really unproductive and will only stunt your enjoyment and performance in the games. Pro players are dedicated to dealing with challenges since their primary concern is WINNING. I am sure someone will find a way to start playing well in their difficult matchups at the moment. tldr: Let the pro players and Blizzard deal with balance issues amongst themselves. This show is not about discussing balance, and never has been as its primary focus. | ||
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indxrje
227 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46652 Posts
On June 22 2012 01:46 indxrje wrote: just wanna say that i think 2gds show is much better than sotg If you post that in whatever thread 2GD has promoting his show, you sound supportive of that other show. If you post that in the SotG thread, you sound like you're bashing SotG. Just to let you know. (Also, this is barring the fact that I've never even heard of that other show, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. It would be nice to be constructive and explain why you feel SotG is lacking though, instead of just saying it's worse than a different show.) | ||
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Dzerzhinsky
Scotland327 Posts
Like most I tune into SotG to be entertained and perhaps educated a little. And, I think like most, I am entertained by hearing pro players discuss the latest issues brought up by patches, major shifts in tournament results or the metagame, or whatever. I don't care if they agree with me or if they think I should be committed to a mental hospital for holding the views that I do. I like to hear them take an educated position and then provide an outline of why they hold that position. That is to say, I like to have my thoughts provoked by back and forth banter about what is happening and why. This entertains me. Unfortunately when it comes issues involving Terran, SotG simply fails to provide this and thus fails to entertain me. Instead I find myself cringing at the sort of simplistic statements and trolling I'd expect to find in a Battlenet strategy channel. This isn't to say that Artosis, Incontrol, Idra and others don't know about Terran, or that they can't have an opinion on it, but since they don't make a career out of playing it at the pro level they appear to be either unaware of or uninterested in the finer details of the pro Terran perspective. (To be fair Idra did appear to make an attempt at discussing the issue, but was talked over so often that he just gave up and joined in the trolling). With a Terran on the panel during these discussions we'd hear some thoughts on how a recent patch altered the metagame and how Terran is coping as a result. We'd also hear some thoughts on how this might change in future, and perhaps some back and forth on what this means for the game and future patches. Maybe they'd agree with Incontrol, or Artosis, or Kawaiirice, or Avilo, or whoever on whatever is being discussed, but regardless, it'd be interesting, entertaining and educating. Instead we got vague assertions of 'the metagame will change maybe probably at some point so who cares', 'Terrans deserve it anyway lol' and whatever the EG caster guy was [url blocked]. Unfortunately not terribly interesting, entertaining or educating. Now, if SotG is meant to be an entertaining show about... well... the state of the game, and it wants to discuss these issues, I think people are quite right to give feedback saying that it'd be a good idea to have a Terran on in future when Terran is to be discussed at any length (as people have said after every single patch discussion). It seems like JP agrees with this, (if not terribly enthusiastically), and if they follow up on this feedback then I for one would be eager to tune in whenever such discussions are on the agenda. If this isn't the sort of thing SotG wants to discuss and get into then that's fine, it's their show and they can take it in whatever direction and aim it at whaever audience they want. But if that's the case I don't know why they tried to have the discussion at all. Why do it half-assed. [/rambling feedback] | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 22 2012 00:17 Gibbas[Arm] wrote: I play Terran and after hearing that SotG trashed Terrans super hard last Tuesday night, I couldn't wait to find out what they said. Late last night, I settled in my chair, snuggled my pillow, and sipped my chocolate milk. I was prepared to be passionately enraged by anti-Terran sentiments...that never came. I heard what the SotG cast had to say about Terran and Terran players and I honestly don't understand the outrage. Everything they said was entirely reasonable for a simple panel show full of personal opinion as well as a show that is regarded so highly as an actual measure of the State of the Game. Artosis, Incontrol, and Idra all said basically the same thing in slightly different ways: First, they issued factual statements about the reasonability of Terran builds and the current difficulty of TvZ in these post-patch days. Next they pointed out that Terrans, as do all players eventually, always figure out what they need to change to win. Then they added another step. This next step is the most important step of all. The race whine step. After espousing undisputable fact on the current state of the game they threw in little quips about their exaggerated take on the Terran race in SC2. There is nothing wrong with mixing facts and personal opinions on a panel show; especially when it was extra easy to tell when one ended and the other began. Nobody ever said anything wrong or inflammatory. It was entirely correct information with small jabs at Terrans. It's the same thing any of you do when talking about races you don't play or like. I'd always considered Terran players to be the quiet, stoic heroes of the Starcraft universe. We have great role models like Thorzain to show us that Terran is for people that are incredibly nice and devastatingly adorable while being calculating killing machines. Not a race of whiners with easily hurt butts. I think if, as JP put it, Avilo did actually "call out" SotG on air then he is a little out of line. It's on Avilo to not overreact to a tame panel show. Through my limited research on this huge thread, I think I saw what Avilo actually said and I think it was a little aggressive. Jokingly race bashing is something that happens literally every second of every day, and that's ok even if what actually happened was nothing like race bashing. Nothing happened. Two posts and you're already doing better than near everyone in this thread. Reading all this shite you'd think they'd sexually abused a medivac pilot or something. I don't get it either man what the hell did they say that was so controversial. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On June 21 2012 19:31 PesteNoire wrote: Yup. It doesn't really matter what stat you look at right now. The match up needs to be looked at. JP's attempt to grab 1 Terran on his show does not make their discussion acceptable. Saying there isn't a problem is ridiculous and then bashing all Terran players was hugely unprofessional. Look, guys, this isn't new. This isn't the first time Terrans have been crying or even the first time SotG bashed on Terran players. This goes all the way back to the reaper and bunker nerfs. I remember the forum getting really heated up with Terran complaints when GSL started introducing large maps; people were so adamant that Terrans can't win on a map unless it was like Steppes of War. And Artosis would just say, like he's saying now, that it'll be hard on a lot of Terrans because they're not as good as their rank says and the game is balancing out, and of course he said that things would get figured out again by everyone. This has happened so many times (and I didn't even mention hellions or ghosts) and they're just saying the same things they said for 2 years now. Edit: On a side note, I can't believe people keep trying to twist that DRG interview into him saying Zerg is OP | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 22 2012 02:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If you post that in whatever thread 2GD has promoting his show, you sound supportive of that other show. If you post that in the SotG thread, you sound like you're bashing SotG. Just to let you know. (Also, this is barring the fact that I've never even heard of that other show, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. It would be nice to be constructive and explain why you feel SotG is lacking though, instead of just saying it's worse than a different show.) just wanna say that i think DPB's opinion is much better than indxrje's opinion. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
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cydial
United States750 Posts
However, when you constantly lack a terran player to at give their perspective then it definitely does become skewed. | ||
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CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
544 Posts
On June 22 2012 02:13 The KY wrote: Two posts and you're already doing better than near everyone in this thread. Reading all this shite you'd think they'd sexually abused a medivac pilot or something. I don't get it either man what the hell did they say that was so controversial. nothing super bad just artosis saying stuff like terrans players are talentless and whine cuz they cant win with 4hellions and they should go mech tvp they dont understand the game and that kind of stuff ? | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:00 stratmatt wrote: TBQH the problem isnt that they lack terrans on the show, its that they lack any GOOD players PERIOD. You're right, they have great players. Go sit in your parent's basement and think about it for awhile. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:00 stratmatt wrote: TBQH the problem isnt that they lack terrans on the show, its that they lack any GOOD players PERIOD. Then why the hell are you watching SotG? Just wait until some show manages to gather DRG, MVP and a couple others together for a semi-regular show. But don't muck up this thread when this show has been running for what? almost 2 years now without much of a roster change. If it didn't outrage you in 2010, not sure what you're going on about now. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
but if you dont like the show, why do you watch it? Or why do you take the time out of your day to come to this forum, open this thread, just to say you don't like it.... this is like going to see a movie in theatres just so you can sit and stare at the screen and tell it you dont like it... | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:19 MaestroSC wrote: maybe this is just too common sense to make any real sense... but if you dont like the show, why do you watch it? Or why do you take the time out of your day to come to this forum, open this thread, just to say you don't like it.... this is like going to see a movie in theatres just so you can sit and stare at the screen and tell it you dont like it... Because it makes some people feel important or powerful in some way. It's sick. They'll give you the line of "Oh, derp, it's so ESPORTS can grow, let's be professional, derp derp." but they're just sad, lonely people. | ||
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PesteNoire
151 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:06 Le BucheRON wrote: You're right, they have great players. Go sit in your parent's basement and think about it for awhile. Great players? What is the last thing Idra, Incontrol, or artosis has won? | ||
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