• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:14
CEST 03:14
KST 10:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism4Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?117Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group B 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7030 users

Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2330

Forum Index > SC2 General
54608 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2328 2329 2330 2331 2332 2731 Next
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
June 21 2012 00:51 GMT
#46581
On June 21 2012 04:32 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:21 indxrje wrote:
so is incontrol dodging?

-Avilo says he's better than incontrol
-Incontrol challlenges avilo.
-Avilo changed the rules and wanted their races switched (Incontrol as T and Avilo as P).
-Incontrol said, that's stupid, why would you say that you can beat me and then just demand switching races. Incontrol than again challenges Avilo for a normal P(Inc)vT(avilo)

judge for yourself.

I think Incontrol should just change the rules like Avilo did and demand a minesweeper battle to see who is better in sc2. It's the only logical thing.


I thought the whole idea of the challenge was to prove that Incontrol knows little about terran... since after all, the common consensus was the SoTG doesn't need a terran PoV and incontrol sort agreed with it.
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
June 21 2012 00:53 GMT
#46582
I'm gonna go ahead and use this thread for what I assume it was intended for, feedback.

I gotta say lately my interest for SotG has been dropping some. I don't really know what it is, I'm gonna try to explore it in the following though. Also let me preface that I understand the show in it's nature is about some community figures talking about whatever the hell they wish to talk about, I'm just giving my thoughts as to how I think would the show could become even more enjoyable from my p.o.v..

First of all, I think the recaps of tournaments has gotten too much emphasis. While hearing the hosts talk about the different storylines can be compelling, I feel it has gotten to the point where things are getting discussed with little substance. Now by lack of substance I'm not talking about the bantering/back-and-forths and jokes, those are (imo) essential to the show and pretty much makes it what it is. I'm more talking about the "yeah he did good..." dialogues that I feel has occurred more often in this year of SotG.

Also I think the show is running a thin line in it's coverage of player/caster problems issues. Talking about issues facing players at events (such as discussing the player area and how well this and that event treated the players) may be getting too much airtime. I'm not neccessarily saying it has crossed the line yet, but stuff like what was discussed last show (in fairness it didn't take up a lot of time) may suit better as a blog (like the one Greg wrote and referenced) or as feedback directly to the organizers. This may be a way of forcing the organizers to cooperate and if so it's valid, but I would think the organizers are reasonable people who will act on concerns from it's player-pool right?

I think having five pillars who are slated to appear on every show makes the show lack in variation. Especially when Day[9] was a pillar as well I felt like we were seeing too much of the same faces every show. I thoroughly enjoyed the show when you had Darkforce, Socke and Qxc on, as it was a breath of fresh air where we got to hear some of the thoughts regarding the scene from other notable community figures. Having different guests on every week really excites me. You have been doing that lately so I'd just like to say keep doing it, and perhaps this only comes up because I didn't really enjoy Azael as a guest (no offense I'm sure you're a swell guy and everything). and so I felt this episode lacked it somewhat (Idra is like the (sixth?) wheel/pillar by now anyways).

All of this drama for this week's show I find quite ridiculous, but I would just like to say be careful how you talk about people, you do have some influence and goofy/half-witted comments you make can have a considerable impact on a person's career blabla yadidadida you all probably know this (or you don't care).

Finally, I would strongly impose you to start up with user-submitted-questions again. Why you are not doing that and making a lot of room for it in your show never cease to amaze me (in a negative manner).

So there you have it, my feedback for SotG this time around. If I come up with anything else I'll make sure to add it in this thread to hopefully somewhat water down all the negativity and trolling going on. I find the hopes of this getting a response as opposed to what a trolling self could have produced quite sparse though I must say. Not that I'm baiting for a response, I just felt like commenting on the fact that 90% of all posts the pillars decide to respond to are trolls with bad reasoning and non-constructive feedback. I don't really get that, I thought one was suppose to ignore trolls

I hope you have fun making the shows, I'll be sure to tune in, despite the fact that I might not find it as awesome as I once did
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
DaveVAH
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada162 Posts
June 21 2012 00:55 GMT
#46583
On June 21 2012 09:27 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 07:38 DaveVAH wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:

I am 10x the player that avilo is..
.


You are not. And if as you admitted your terran is horrible & barely diamond then you should stop saying you know better than 99.9% of the players about the race. Because you don't.


Having seen iNcontroL play Terran at PAX vs tons of random people... he's at least master level TvZ and TvP.

His micro isn't particularly crisp but his macro is probably better than it is when he plays P... he's too used to BW Protoss macro mechanics I think. There're also numerous records of him playing Terran at master+ level in his twitch tv account's vods... he coaches master level Terran players all the time...


Or you could just watch Avilo's stream... and laugh hysterically as he trash talks players while losing to them...

EDIT: For anyone who REALLY wants a laugh, check out his Liquipedia entry... "Avilo was inspired by SlayerSBoxeR and he enjoys defensive macro games" LOL

I dont think he is masters. I watched him offrace with his fans on stream (who were also offracing). he offraced terran vs a top diamond protoss who off-raced zerg. He got crushed, wasn't even close. Afterwards he went on about how his terran was terrible & how he should have meched.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 21 2012 00:57 GMT
#46584
It's ok guys.. he saw me lose a game once with Terran so clearly that means herp derp I am so bad with terran I couldn't get masters or speak on behalf of terran meta game/skill etc..

HE DID THE MATH!
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
June 21 2012 01:02 GMT
#46585
I thought the whole controversy was about the fact that there is no terran on sotg, not about some rivalry between incontrol and avilo.
coLCruncher fighting!
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:39:15
June 21 2012 01:06 GMT
#46586
State of the game, and its debate team of Artosis, Incontrol, and Idra embarrassed themselves on the current state of TvZ issue.

Last 52 TvZ GSL matches: 30.7% win rate
GSTL Season 2
Terran win: 3
Zerg win: 14
Win rate: 17.6%
GSL Season 3
Terran win: 13
Zerg win: 22
Win rate: 37.1%
In sum
Total played: 52
Terran win: 16
Zerg win: 36
Win rate: 30.7%
Source: gomtv.net

Terran now makes up 23.2% of GM Spots, EDIT: lowest for any race ever.
source: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/142

Last 10 major tournaments since patch: Terrans: 4 total top 4 finishes with 0 wins.
source: https://twitter.com/Beastyqt/status/215354461911134209/photo/1/large

IMMvp: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344906

DRG: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344077

MMA: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345917

Supernova: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345933

NA GM's LuckyFool & Kawaiirice have both made blog/video stating serious problem with current TvZ
Any high Grandmaster you watch on stream will say there is a problem with current TvZ. QuanticIllusion and ForGG just to name 2.

What has happened lately in the match up is BALANCE BREAKING, and was brushed under the rug and quickly dismissed by the the group of protoss/zerg players on state of the game. Isn't this exactly what this show should be analyzing and discussing? When something appears to be broken, as a result of a patch, shouldn't this group of players give this issue at least a second thought? It was embarrassing for everyone there.



Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 21 2012 01:11 GMT
#46587
I'm guessing Pestenoire = Avilo?
hoivenmayven
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
June 21 2012 01:14 GMT
#46588
On June 21 2012 10:02 TitleRug wrote:
I thought the whole controversy was about the fact that there is no terran on sotg, not about some rivalry between incontrol and avilo.


Was the original thing chat people got mad about... then avilo invented a rivalry. This all should be moved to a different thread that can subsequently be closed. Isn't this a SoTG thread?

I non-trollingly liked throwing in Azael, never knew he existed until recently.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
June 21 2012 01:14 GMT
#46589
On June 21 2012 10:06 PesteNoire wrote:
State of the game, and its debate team of Artosis, Incontrol, and Idra embarrassed themselves on the current state of TvZ issue.

Last 52 TvZ GSL matches: 30.7% win rate
GSTL Season 2
Terran win: 3
Zerg win: 14
Win rate: 17.6%
GSL Season 3
Terran win: 13
Zerg win: 22
Win rate: 37.1%
In sum
Total played: 52
Terran win: 16
Zerg win: 36
Win rate: 30.7%
Source: gomtv.net

Terran now makes up 23.2% of GM Spots, lowest since season 1.
source: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/142

Last 10 major tournaments since patch: Terrans: 4 total top 4 finishes with 0 wins.
source: https://twitter.com/Beastyqt/status/215354461911134209/photo/1/large

IMMvp: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344906

DRG: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344077

MMA: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345917

Supernova: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345933

NA GM's LuckyFool & Kawaiirice have both made blog/video stating serious problem with current TvZ
Any high Grandmaster you watch on stream will say there is a problem with current TvZ. QuanticIllusion and ForGG just to name 2.

What has happened lately in the match up is BALANCE BREAKING, and was brushed under the rug and quickly dismissed by the the group of protoss/zerg players on state of the game. Isn't this exactly what this show should be analyzing and discussing? When something appears to be broken, as a result of a patch, shouldn't this group of players give this issue at least a second thought? It was embarrassing for everyone there.





Yup, it was pretty unprofessional
Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:17:11
June 21 2012 01:16 GMT
#46590
They just laughed the TvZ issue aside because they're disgustingly biased. Everyone wanted a legitimate discussion about the current state of TvZ but instead they just called Terrans naturally weak and idiotic.
PartinG MarineKing Mvp Polt Keen ByuN <3
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 21 2012 01:17 GMT
#46591
On June 21 2012 10:06 PesteNoire wrote:
State of the game, and its debate team of Artosis, Incontrol, and Idra embarrassed themselves on the current state of TvZ issue.

Last 52 TvZ GSL matches: 30.7% win rate
GSTL Season 2
Terran win: 3
Zerg win: 14
Win rate: 17.6%
GSL Season 3
Terran win: 13
Zerg win: 22
Win rate: 37.1%
In sum
Total played: 52
Terran win: 16
Zerg win: 36
Win rate: 30.7%
Source: gomtv.net

Terran now makes up 23.2% of GM Spots, lowest since season 1.
source: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all/0/142

Last 10 major tournaments since patch: Terrans: 4 total top 4 finishes with 0 wins.
source: https://twitter.com/Beastyqt/status/215354461911134209/photo/1/large

IMMvp: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344906

DRG: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344077

MMA: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345917

Supernova: Zerg OP
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345933

NA GM's LuckyFool & Kawaiirice have both made blog/video stating serious problem with current TvZ
Any high Grandmaster you watch on stream will say there is a problem with current TvZ. QuanticIllusion and ForGG just to name 2.

What has happened lately in the match up is BALANCE BREAKING, and was brushed under the rug and quickly dismissed by the the group of protoss/zerg players on state of the game. Isn't this exactly what this show should be analyzing and discussing? When something appears to be broken, as a result of a patch, shouldn't this group of players give this issue at least a second thought? It was embarrassing for everyone there.





When you look at it this way It's pretty hard to deny there's a problem...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 21 2012 01:22 GMT
#46592
On June 21 2012 10:16 Eruism wrote:
They just laughed the TvZ issue aside because they're disgustingly biased. Everyone wanted a legitimate discussion about the current state of TvZ but instead they just called Terrans naturally weak and idiotic.


Why would you think that artosis or incontrol are biased in a tvz discussion? It makes absolutely zero sense.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
June 21 2012 01:23 GMT
#46593
I thought the last episode was good. Interest and enjoyment of the show still at 100%.
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:27:29
June 21 2012 01:25 GMT
#46594
On June 21 2012 10:22 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 10:16 Eruism wrote:
They just laughed the TvZ issue aside because they're disgustingly biased. Everyone wanted a legitimate discussion about the current state of TvZ but instead they just called Terrans naturally weak and idiotic.


Why would you think that artosis or incontrol are biased in a tvz discussion? It makes absolutely zero sense.


Artosis started out as zerg in SC2 and has shown bias against Terran dating back to doing his imbalance show with Idra way back in Korea. He has hated the marauder and he and Greg hated Terran from early on when Terran was the OP race. Its like they have a deeply rooted hatred for Terran as a result of the race being OP for the first portion of the games release.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 21 2012 01:29 GMT
#46595
lol avilo alt account >_<
hoivenmayven
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
June 21 2012 01:30 GMT
#46596
On June 21 2012 10:29 iNcontroL wrote:
lol avilo alt account >_<


It has to be, lol ... I feel like you are enjoying this way too much. For shame... except not, lol.
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
June 21 2012 01:31 GMT
#46597
On June 21 2012 10:25 PesteNoire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 10:22 nkr wrote:
On June 21 2012 10:16 Eruism wrote:
They just laughed the TvZ issue aside because they're disgustingly biased. Everyone wanted a legitimate discussion about the current state of TvZ but instead they just called Terrans naturally weak and idiotic.


Why would you think that artosis or incontrol are biased in a tvz discussion? It makes absolutely zero sense.


Artosis started out as zerg in SC2 and has shown bias against Terran dating back to doing his imbalance show with Idra way back in Korea. He has hated the marauder and he and Greg hated Terran from early on when Terran was the OP race. Its like they have a deeply rooted hatred for Terran as a result of the race being OP for the first portion of the games release.


Or they are just saying the same sorts of things that other players (terran/protoss/zerg) have said when their respective races have struggled. People who complain about balance (even with valid points) get made fun of by people who aren't struggling with race issues? STOP THE PRESSES.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 21 2012 01:35 GMT
#46598
On June 21 2012 10:25 PesteNoire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 10:22 nkr wrote:
On June 21 2012 10:16 Eruism wrote:
They just laughed the TvZ issue aside because they're disgustingly biased. Everyone wanted a legitimate discussion about the current state of TvZ but instead they just called Terrans naturally weak and idiotic.


Why would you think that artosis or incontrol are biased in a tvz discussion? It makes absolutely zero sense.


Artosis started out as zerg in SC2 and has shown bias against Terran dating back to doing his imbalance show with Idra way back in Korea. He has hated the marauder and he and Greg hated Terran from early on when Terran was the OP race. Its like they have a deeply rooted hatred for Terran as a result of the race being OP for the first portion of the games release.


yeah.. artosis hates terran. Are you actually serious?
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
June 21 2012 01:36 GMT
#46599
On June 21 2012 10:29 iNcontroL wrote:
lol avilo alt account >_<


Convenient to continue to use community laughing stock Avilo as a scape goat? Why would Avilo make an alt account? He has never been shy about letting his feelings known. I only made a post about the truth, but keep calling Avilo out like that because it makes you feel like a top pro, which you aren't.

Blacktiger.jona
Profile Joined August 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:39:46
June 21 2012 01:37 GMT
#46600
I'm not sure that the GSL stats are good to interpret .. I mean, they are few but incredibly good zerg (like DRG), and a lot and not as good as them of Terran... So... I prefer not making conclusion about the TvZ's stat in GSL... Even though i'm Terran..
Prev 1 2328 2329 2330 2331 2332 2731 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#98
davetesta24
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft440
ProTech142
RuFF_SC2 107
CosmosSc2 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2269
GuemChi 1589
NaDa 27
Yoon 7
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever394
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1343
minikerr29
m0e_tv15
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe112
Other Games
summit1g7807
Day[9].tv669
C9.Mang0362
hungrybox176
Maynarde91
ViBE61
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH262
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21911
Other Games
• Day9tv669
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
9h 46m
Replay Cast
22h 46m
The PondCast
1d 8h
KCM Race Survival
1d 8h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
BlizzCon
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
GSL
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-08
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.