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On June 21 2012 10:36 PesteNoire wrote:Convenient to continue to use community laughing stock Avilo as a scape goat? Why would Avilo make an alt account? He has never been shy about letting his feelings known. I only made a post about the truth, but keep calling Avilo out like that because it makes you feel like a top pro, which you aren't.
Avilo would probably make an alt because no one in this thread except for you agree or sympathize with him :/
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On June 21 2012 10:29 iNcontroL wrote:
lol avilo alt account >_<
I don't think saying lol and claiming a certain account is a smurf of someone who dislike is adequete to address the content of the post, which is statistically accurate. Even if that account were proven to be avilo the fact that avilo has a tendancy to balance whine does not mean his points are not worth addressing when presented as such.
Personally i feel that many members of SOTG feel that Terrans deserve the current state of TvZ(due to the early state of TvX) and thus are willing to continue their parroting act (wait for the metagame to settle). Sometimes I feel they forget that the Terran star only started to dim because of nerfs to Terran forcing Terran to relearn strats (over and over might I add). I hope they get get QXC or other prominent Terrans to fill in the gaping whole that is the Terran perspective (as a side note I don't think Avilo would be of the proper caliber to fill this slot).
Despite the Anti-Terran tint of the TvZ discussion I look forward to the next SOTG.
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You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them.
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On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them.
They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion?
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On June 21 2012 09:57 iNcontroL wrote:
It's ok guys.. he saw me lose a game once with Terran so clearly that means herp derp I am so bad with terran I couldn't get masters or speak on behalf of terran meta game/skill etc..
HE DID THE MATH!
I never have even seen you play Terran. But when you do talk about Terran you don't know what's actually going on with it, I don't know how you can legitimately say you can talk from a Terran perspec No one on the show was...because they're all talking from a P/Z perspective. It was made worse when you guys then downplayed stuff like TvZ and essentially said all Terrans were bad, etc.
We're being off-topic at this point, I only called out SOTG/offered to give insight for a few minutes on call because you guys weren't going to find a Terran and I do happen to be someone that was there that could have easily added to the discussion from a Terran perspective that was sorely lacking. I only was tweaking your nose with the "me finishing further than you in WCS" because we both know that does not really matter all that much.
On June 21 2012 10:29 iNcontroL wrote:
lol avilo alt account >_<
Really? This is the shit I'm talking about incontrol. You throw this bullshit around not giving a shit, you've done it to me for over a year. Now I'm a balance whiner and I make alt accounts?
On June 21 2012 10:41 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:36 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 10:29 iNcontroL wrote:
lol avilo alt account >_< Convenient to continue to use community laughing stock Avilo as a scape goat? Why would Avilo make an alt account? He has never been shy about letting his feelings known. I only made a post about the truth, but keep calling Avilo out like that because it makes you feel like a top pro, which you aren't. Avilo would probably make an alt because no one in this thread except for you agree or sympathize with him :/
A few posts later and you already have people thinking this shit is true. Jesus christ.
You have cleverly tried to avert everyone's gaze from the initial point in the first place.
SOTG needs a Terran on it, otherwise SOTG needs to simply shut up.
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i doubt thats an avilo alt account. he is not shy about expressing himself and has no need for one. most likely one of his fans making an account to support him ala destiny fans. probably talking about this on his stream.
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On June 21 2012 10:59 avilo wrote:
SOTG needs a Terran on it, otherwise SOTG needs to simply shut up.
...You know you don't own SOTG, right?
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On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion?
They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too.
Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT.
Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg.
Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/
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On June 21 2012 11:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
i doubt thats an avilo alt account. he is not shy about expressing himself and has no need for one. most likely one of his fans making an account to support him ala destiny fans. probably talking about this on his stream.
So what is so wrong about that post that it doesn't even warrant discussion? No one has been able to answer that. Why couldn't any of the hosts play devil's advocate? I fucking love Artosis and Idra, but they are really biased. Nobody has bothered to answer why this discussion was swept under the rug. To me, it seems the host are ok with it. Please prove me wrong.
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On June 21 2012 11:07 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too. Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT. Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg. Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/
no one is against it. why dont you go petition qxc or demuslim to join the crew?
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On June 21 2012 11:07 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too. Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT. Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg. Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/
I don't think anyone is really against it, it's just that most people don't think it's a big issue. There was one guy on the show that might be biased in a TvZ, and no one really takes his balance complaints seriously. (not even me as a fan :D)
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Listen, I LOVE sotg. I've listened to every episode, and will continue to.
A terran on the show would be great. It would make the show better. But even if you don't... I'll still watch. Cause I like it.
You guys comments on Terran anything has been making terrans around the world cringe for a long, long time, though.
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On June 21 2012 11:09 Twistacles wrote:
Listen, I LOVE sotg. I've listened to every episode, and will continue to.
A terran on the show would be great. It would make the show better. But even if you don't... I'll still watch. Cause I like it.
You guys comments on Terran anything has been making terrans around the world cringe for a long, long time, though.
It would make the show better if the Terran actually fits on the show. Having a Terran who just wants to come on and cry and whine and shout and argue will just make it worse. There are plenty of platforms for them to do that.
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On June 21 2012 11:04 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:59 avilo wrote:
SOTG needs a Terran on it, otherwise SOTG needs to simply shut up. ...You know you don't own SOTG, right?
Obviously, but feeding the public ''biased'' information is always horrible.
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On June 21 2012 11:13 brinker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:04 Roe wrote:On June 21 2012 10:59 avilo wrote:
SOTG needs a Terran on it, otherwise SOTG needs to simply shut up. ...You know you don't own SOTG, right? Obviously, but feeding the public ''biased'' information is always horrible.
you cant think for yourself? you dont have to believe everything they say.
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I love SoTG, I've been listening to the podcasts since forever and they always light up my week and makes doing boring shit easier as I can listen to it meanwhile doing whatever I have to do. But as a terran I can definitely understand Avilo's point in this thread, because listening to this episode talking about the balance was kind of infuriating as a terran player, as it was basically a 10 minute anti terran circeljerk going on from around 1:18. I mean, I'm not really sure to be amused or not when there is made broad generalizations about how all or most terran players do, basically that terran players are whiny, uninovative and have always been overpowered, seemingly implying people playing protoss and zerg are per general better players and thus any imbalance against terran would only be caused by terrans simply being bad at doing new stuff.
I mean, I still though it was kind of entertaining, but not more giving to get a good picture of the overall balance of the game than the discussion that happens when me and my protoss budy at the same level of me discuss zerg without any zerg player.
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On June 21 2012 11:11 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:09 Twistacles wrote:
Listen, I LOVE sotg. I've listened to every episode, and will continue to.
A terran on the show would be great. It would make the show better. But even if you don't... I'll still watch. Cause I like it.
You guys comments on Terran anything has been making terrans around the world cringe for a long, long time, though. It would make the show better if the Terran actually fits on the show. Having a Terran who just wants to come on and cry and whine and shout and argue will just make it worse. There are plenty of platforms for them to do that.
No, no of course. Obv a personality that would be interesting or at least not over-bearing would be good. I'm a big fan of Gretorp or Demu being on the show. Or QxC. Heck, even Avilo. He's a reasonable person; you can't just take his stream rants out of context and think he's gonna bludgeon people with his opinion live...
EDIT: Heck, why doesn't JP speak out about balance? He's Masters Random, he probably has a better T perspective than the other two.
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On June 21 2012 11:07 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too. Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT. Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg. Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/
tbh, qxc wasn't around so jp shrugged and went on with business. but illusion apparently said he would've but. yawn.
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On June 21 2012 11:11 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:09 Twistacles wrote:
Listen, I LOVE sotg. I've listened to every episode, and will continue to.
A terran on the show would be great. It would make the show better. But even if you don't... I'll still watch. Cause I like it.
You guys comments on Terran anything has been making terrans around the world cringe for a long, long time, though. It would make the show better if the Terran actually fits on the show. Having a Terran who just wants to come on and cry and whine and shout and argue will just make it worse. There are plenty of platforms for them to do that.
By other platforms do you mean forums? Because terrans never get flamed on the forums. And why do you assume having a terran would lead to whining and arguing? Having another perspective might actually lead to a better discussion.
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On June 21 2012 11:09 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:07 ghrur wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too. Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT. Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg. Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/ I don't think anyone is really against it, it's just that most people don't think it's a big issue. There was one guy on the show that might be biased in a TvZ, and no one really takes his balance complaints seriously. (not even me as a fan :D)
Idk. I thought it became a big issue this week as everyone blew up at it, especially since TvZ really seems to be in a mess right now. Also, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but please don't speak for the majority when we don't even know how to really define that. :/
On June 21 2012 11:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:07 ghrur wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 nkr wrote:On June 21 2012 10:54 ghrur wrote:
You know, after reading through some of this recent shitfest (couldn't make it through all of it), I was wondering, why don't they invite someone like Merz or Demuslim on the show. Both are very talented Terrans that are generally well-liked by the community and would present a more Terran-biased view point to balance out the current heavily biased zerg and protoss view points of the show. And let's face it, while these guys can talk competently about Terrans, they're in no way biased for terrans but against them. They've had plenty of terrans invited to the show; wasn't qxc on last time? They just didn't have one this week. Also, why on earth do you think Incontrol or Artosis is biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? They have terrans invited, but none consistently kept on. QXC would be great too. Why on earth do you think they WOULDN'T be biased against terran in a TvZ discussion? Do you think the lack of bias helps balance the show out in any way whatsoever? Like, having Nony on there doesn't mean, HEY, Nony will argue against Idra about TvZ. No, it means, HEY, Nony will be non-partisan, and the show will still be biased against ZvT. Or, you know, you can look at how they dismissed the TvZ problem after MVP, DRG, MMA, and Supernova all called Imba. Wait, DRG? Yes, DRG. A zerg. Besides, why is everyone so AGAINST adding a great Terran like QXC or Demuslim? I don't understand. :/ no one is against it. why dont you go petition qxc or demuslim to join the crew?
Cuz to be honest, I don't really care. Hell, I don't even watch SC2 much. Why don't you go petition it? I mean, it must be more useful than being a condescending asshole day right? Better yet, why not just ask JP to do it? It's his show anyway.
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