Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2333

On June 21 2012 10:41 nkr wrote:


Avilo would probably make an alt because no one in this thread except for you agree or sympathize with him :/

On June 21 2012 11:18 Zambrah wrote:
Guys, I think its clear that State of the Game is Congress, and anything sort of perfectly proportional representation for each race will not be tolerated.

On June 21 2012 11:23 itmeJP wrote:

Actually, he said no but. yawn.
+ Show Spoiler +

Also, I can't believe this shit throwing fest hasn't been locked yet. I looked for Terran's but my go-to, show-savvy T's weren't avail so I went on ahead without them. It's been 30 pages and for some reason Avilo, along with flinging shit at me, is still talking in here about how he should of been on the show. Give it a rest man and go back to streaming and getting worthwhile limelight rather then getting anti-fans by posting in here.

Can we please move on to talking about something else? Nothing has been said that's productive in the past 24 hours here.

On June 21 2012 11:29 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Idra/Artosis/INc were not saying outlandish things.

On June 21 2012 12:04 s4life wrote:


Dear JP,
If you cannot get the two sides of an argument is probably worthwhile considering not having the argument at all .. you could also warn us the discussion is gonna be an echo chamber in such cases and that would probably be fine too.. to be honest, the level of condescension in your last show was pretty unacceptable.

On June 21 2012 12:04 s4life wrote:


Dear JP,
If you cannot get the two sides of an argument is probably worthwhile considering not having the argument at all .. you could also warn us the discussion is gonna be an echo chamber in such cases and that would probably be fine too.. to be honest, the level of condescension in your last show was pretty unacceptable.

On June 21 2012 10:59 avilo wrote:


SOTG needs a Terran on it, otherwise SOTG needs to simply shut up.

On June 21 2012 11:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:



So, the current analogy would be something like...
Protoss = majority Rebulicans
Zerg = minority Democrats
Terran = LOL Independents

Hahahaha Congress it is then!

On June 21 2012 12:04 dvorakftw wrote:

Artosis using MVP's pre-patch GSL win as evidence of no problem?

IdrA saying hellions can win games TvZ? It hasn't been true since the (semi-justified*) blue-flame nerf. It only slowed the economy enough to give Terrans a chance in mid-game and beyond.

I would agree they didn't say *many* outlandish things because they only said two or three things before shrugging it off.

*Zerg anti-hellion defense was very undeveloped at the time but it did imo seem to do a bit too much damage

On June 21 2012 12:03 -_- wrote:
At this point, I believe the hosts of SOTG are getting some compensation for the show (which is why they are committed to 3 episodes per month). So, while it would be nice to have a Terran perspective on every show, I doubt any high level Terran player would want to commit himself to the show without payment, and I doubt JP is getting enough to bring another person in. I don't think getting a Terran pillar on SOTG would be as easy as simply asking for one.

That said, some of the principals in this thread are getting a little defensive. JP should simply try to bring on a Terran guest when discussing Terran issues. And if a big name like QXC isn't available, Avilo is a good choice. Avilo is a non-featured streamer who pulls hundreds of viewers every time he streams. For someone who's gotten on the wrong side of just about every big name in the American scene, he's been successful enough to be notable.

Terrans' want someone with subtle knowledge about the Terran race and motivation to argue for the Terran perspective. While people like Artosis, Nony, and Incontrol do understand Starcraft on a grand level, they don't have the specific knowledge or the predilection Terran's want.

On June 21 2012 12:50 Rube_Juice wrote:
I've played Avilo thrice on ladder, he is BM and whiny as shit. Super quick to accuse you of maphacking when he tries to drop across the same path 8 times in one game, too. No respect whatsoever, is this guy sixteen or something?

On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote:


Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again.

I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG.

On June 21 2012 13:05 Swords wrote:
I'm just jumping into this thread now, so maybe I missed this. Having a representative of each race on SOTG would be great, if possible. That being said, why on earth are people considering Avilo? He has almost no results. He balance whines almost nonstop (see previous posts linked in this thread).

Having a Terran on the show would be awesome, but if JP is asking people like Illusion and they don't have time it isn't a big deal - it means for one show we miss the Terran perspective. That's a bummer, but it certainly isn't the end of the world. It seems like the people complaining that Avilo didn't get on are mad they didn't get to hear a Terran vent about the latest patch. I wouldn't want to tune into SOTG to hear balance whine. I want to hear what the patch has changed about the matchup. What Terran might be able to do to cope. And if the match has changed in terms of how entertaining it is to watch.

There's plenty of places to balance whine, making SOTG another one will reduce the quality of the show.

On June 21 2012 13:14 Theovide wrote:

I agree with most of your points, but I'm not sure you actually watched the last SoTG. That there was no terran didn't only make it so that there where no terran balance whine, but so that the show seemingly concluded that terran is fine and people are just being brats. Arguably then, SoTG has a lot of influence, so that could skew the publics picture of the current TvZ balance, or at least how the public views the pros and the more insightfuls view on the current TvZ balance.

Though, I don't really know if there is to much to whine about, I don't think Blizzard are likely to take what Artosis and IdrA (and partly Incontrol, but mostly Artosis and IdrA as far as I could tell) think about TvZ balance more seriously than what MKP, DRG and MVP think about the same. So arguably people are making far to big of a deal of this.

On June 21 2012 13:05 Swords wrote:
I'm just jumping into this thread now, so maybe I missed this. Having a representative of each race on SOTG would be great, if possible. That being said, why on earth are people considering Avilo? He has almost no results.

He balance whines almost nonstop (see previous posts linked in this thread).