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On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?...
Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it?
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On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it?
i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge.
then i saw you had a whooping three posts....
then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today....
when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place
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On June 21 2012 05:38 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it? i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge. then i saw you had a whooping three posts.... then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today.... when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place
incontrol made the first challenge after avilo implied he was the better player.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=2303#46049
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On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution.
No, that's not what I said. I suggest reading each and every word, and taking careful consideration of each sentence prior to making a one lined summation, which bastardizes the subject topic. Thanks for your 1 lined contribution.
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On June 21 2012 05:06 TerranosauresWrecks wrote:
I want to see a legit Avilo (t) vs incontrol (p)
any other matchup wouldnt make any sense to me
winning any other way wouldnt honestly mean anything...
What would victory under those conditions prove exactly? That Incontrol can currently beat Avilo in a bo5 or vice versa? People in here are being kind of unfair to Avilo, incontrol included. Up for debate is the value of a pro Terran's perspective on the current metagame and balance concerns, and Avilo is challenging Incontrol's understanding of Terran in this regard, saying it might not be sufficient for a balanced look at the "state of the game." If Incontrol has a poor understanding of Terran, and doesn't know how to play the race beyond a low masters level then he's probably not the steward of the Terran metagame he claims to be. It's not like only Incontrol would be offracing, they both would be. If they both offrace and Avilo crushes Incontrol, it shows Avilo understands the TvP MU from both sides better than Incontrol, it also goes a long way to proving he's less biased, and it (might) demonstrate that Incontrol isn't much of an authority on Terran at all. This is a game, you can claim to know all there is to know about it, but if you haven't faced the frustrations and difficulties associated with the gameplay and the current state of the metagame or balance at a certain level of play then you're really just running your mouth. I don't see why more people don't seem to understand this.
Avilo's stakes are higher than Incontrol's. If Incontrol loses a PvT vs. Avilo, it doesn't mean very much, it's just one series, and in fact Incontrol can just turn around and claim it just shows the MU is balanced. If Avilo loses as Protoss vs. Incontrol's Terran (which Incontrol himself claims is bad), then not only can Incontrol claim Avilo doesn't know Protoss very well and shouldn't complain about the TvP MU, he can say he has a better, less biased understanding of the gameplay in the MU from both sides since he plays both at a reasonably high level. If Incontrol loses as Terran to someone he claims he is better than by 10 times offracing as protoss it seriously calls in to question Incontrol's credibility on Terran. Incontrol shouldn't be saying his Terran is bad while scoffing at and disregarding complaints coming from high level Terrans, particularly when he's involved in an important web series that makes him an important figure in the community. It just turns the whole thing into a joke.
So maybe Avilo "dodged" lower, less relevant stakes. For the purposes of this discussion, in my opinion, Incontrol is dodging higher, more meaningful stakes.
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On June 21 2012 05:30 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: "why u no invite me in sotg ;..( my feelings r hurt so I will insult you".
This is seriously like listening to the 10 year old u did not invite to your birthday party...
Avilo: "Why you no invite me in SotG ...  My feelings are hurt so I will insult you." This is seriously like listening to the 10 year old you did not invite to your birthday party...
Fixed. My brain was just starting to hurt reading the original.
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Just wanted to say that I appreciate you guys for making this show :-) Keep up the good work!
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On June 21 2012 05:39 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:38 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it? i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge. then i saw you had a whooping three posts.... then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today.... when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place incontrol made the first challenge after avilo implied he was the better player. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=2303#46049
PesteNoire is just trying to bait people on the forum with technicalities so he can feel good about himself, don't defend him.
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On June 21 2012 05:39 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:38 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it? i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge. then i saw you had a whooping three posts.... then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today.... when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place incontrol made the first challenge after avilo implied he was the better player. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=2303#46049
i know he did, but what did Avilo do right after? and continue proudly proclaim at the end of every post of his?
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On June 21 2012 05:44 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:39 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 21 2012 05:38 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it? i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge. then i saw you had a whooping three posts.... then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today.... when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place incontrol made the first challenge after avilo implied he was the better player. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=2303#46049 i know he did, but what did Avilo do right after? and continue proudly proclaim at the end of every post of his?
pestenoire said that incontrol challenged him first. not sure why you are arguing with him on that point. yes, avilo threw up the stupid challenge afterwards, but that was not the point pestenoire was making.
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On June 21 2012 05:44 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:39 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 21 2012 05:38 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:32 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:23 cavalier117 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player. have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?... Yes and Incontrol was the first to challenge Avilo. lol, that backfired on you didn't it? i was gonna list the 4-5 posts where Avilo explicitly threw up a (stupid) challenge. then i saw you had a whooping three posts.... then i checked your TL.net profile and saw you joined today.... when the holy hell did TL change their stance and allow people to post on the first day of their account during made? when i joined, new posters had to wait three days and this was the practice for a LONG time. and it was clearly a good idea, bc people like you never posted. and TL was a better place incontrol made the first challenge after avilo implied he was the better player. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=2303#46049 i know he did, but what did Avilo do right after? and continue proudly proclaim at the end of every post of his?
You see the word INITIALLY in my statement? You can comprehend english?
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Amazed and grateful that Incontrol brought up the lack of attention to some of the player performances at MLG Anaheim..and for that matter all events. Was even more sad to see that no one but him had any fucking idea what he was talking about.
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On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution.
Go watch the later episodes with day9...all he does is sit there and eat dinner  . That said, the show could use someone mellow and whimsy to balance things out...like Stephano, or a Huk (or a Puma) . Oh, and people need to stop bitching on InControl and Nony, they take time out of their day to respond to people here, so at least respect that, even if you don't agree.
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On June 21 2012 05:40 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution. No, that's not what I said. I suggest reading each and every word, and taking careful consideration of each sentence prior to making a one lined summation, which bastardizes the subject topic. Thanks for your 1 lined contribution.
Why don't you ask Day9 directly ? I don't see why JP should answer posts like that, in no way can he speak for Day9, he's not the one having too many commitments and planning them.
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On June 21 2012 04:16 Larkin wrote:
I wonder if this Avilo character has realised that, perhaps TvZ isn't as imbalanced as he says, and that, perhaps, he's just bad against Zerg. I literally have no idea who he is, nor have I ever watched his stream until I watched SOTG and heard about him. If he's so good, why is he not making runs into tournaments like WCS, like Suppy or Daisuki did? Hell, is he even GM?
Avilo is a very good player. He is definitely GM, and he did have a pretty good run at WCS.
The ghost+Battlecruiser endgame army mvp did in GSL finals- thats something Avilo has done for a long time.
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On June 21 2012 05:52 a3den wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:40 Grimmyman123 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution. No, that's not what I said. I suggest reading each and every word, and taking careful consideration of each sentence prior to making a one lined summation, which bastardizes the subject topic. Thanks for your 1 lined contribution. Why don't you ask Day9 directly ? I don't see why JP should answer posts like that, in no way can he speak for Day9, he's not the one having too many commitments and planning them.
Because, JP and Day9 Neither respond directly to TL users very often. Incontrol and Nony do, from time to time, but not every single one.
And yes, JP can answer as to the reason (if it is other than the reported too busy hiatus), and JP can also address why Sean was pulled down from the main list of guests (as a pillar). It's his show, he did certain things for a reason, and as much as he might not want to admit it, he has a responsibility to his viewership.
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The NA scene is all about trash talk, really reminds of a wrestling show :D Must be hard for players to break through with sc2 skills alone
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On June 21 2012 05:56 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:52 a3den wrote:On June 21 2012 05:40 Grimmyman123 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution. No, that's not what I said. I suggest reading each and every word, and taking careful consideration of each sentence prior to making a one lined summation, which bastardizes the subject topic. Thanks for your 1 lined contribution. Why don't you ask Day9 directly ? I don't see why JP should answer posts like that, in no way can he speak for Day9, he's not the one having too many commitments and planning them. Because, JP and Day9 Neither respond directly to TL users very often. Incontrol and Nony do, from time to time, but not every single one.
more likely to respond if you dont refer to JP as "offer[ing] no real content" on his own show.
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On June 21 2012 05:41 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:06 TerranosauresWrecks wrote:
I want to see a legit Avilo (t) vs incontrol (p)
any other matchup wouldnt make any sense to me
winning any other way wouldnt honestly mean anything... What would victory under those conditions prove exactly? That Incontrol can currently beat Avilo in a bo5 or vice versa? People in here are being kind of unfair to Avilo, incontrol included. Up for debate is the value of a pro Terran's perspective on the current metagame and balance concerns, and Avilo is challenging Incontrol's understanding of Terran in this regard, saying it is not sufficient for a balanced look at the "state of the game." If Incontrol has a poor understanding of Terran, and doesn't know how to play the race beyond a low masters level then he's probably not the steward of the Terran metagame he claims to be. It's not like only Incontrol would be offracing, they both would be. If they both offrace and Avilo crushes Incontrol, it shows Avilo understands the TvP MU from both sides better than Incontrol, it also goes a long way to proving he's less biased, and it (might) demonstrate that Incontrol isn't much of an authority on Terran at all. This is a game, you can claim to know all there is to know about it, but if you haven't faced the frustrations and difficulties associated with the gameplay and the current state of the metagame or balance at a certain level of play then you're really just running your mouth. I don't see why more people don't seem to understand this. Avilo's stakes are higher than Incontrol's. If Incontrol loses a PvT vs. Avilo, it doesn't mean very much, it's just one series, and in fact Incontrol can just turn around and claim it just shows the MU is balanced. If Avilo loses as Protoss vs. Incontrol's Terran (which Incontrol himself claims is bad), then not only can Incontrol claim Avilo doesn't know Protoss very well and shouldn't complain about the TvP MU, he can say he has a better, less biased understanding of the gameplay in the MU from both sides since he plays both at a reasonably high level. If Incontrol loses as Terran to someone he claims he is better than by 10 times offracing as protoss it seriously calls in to question Incontrol's credibility on Terran. Incontrol shouldn't be saying his Terran is bad while scoffing at and disregarding complaints coming from high level Terrans, particularly when he's involved in an important web series that makes him an important figure in the community. It just turns the whole thing into a joke. So maybe Avilo "dodged" lower, less relevant stakes. For the purposes of this discussion, in my opinion, Incontrol is dodging higher, more meaningful stakes.
Yeah that makes sense, but I think this overall TvZ balance discussion has mutated into multiple things. I just simply wanted to see an Incontrol vs. Avilo, I just thought it would prove who the better player was ( assuming it was a bo7 or something) , I wasn't looking for anymore than that. That being said you have an interesting point, but in all honesty it still doesn't seem fair to draw any conclusion such as "avilo's opinion matters" just because he beat incontrol in a pvt because it could be potentially skewed heavily in Avilo's favor as I am assuming Incontrol doesn't play terran too much.
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On June 21 2012 05:56 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:52 a3den wrote:On June 21 2012 05:40 Grimmyman123 wrote:On June 21 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way. so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution. No, that's not what I said. I suggest reading each and every word, and taking careful consideration of each sentence prior to making a one lined summation, which bastardizes the subject topic. Thanks for your 1 lined contribution. Why don't you ask Day9 directly ? I don't see why JP should answer posts like that, in no way can he speak for Day9, he's not the one having too many commitments and planning them. Because, JP and Day9 Neither respond directly to TL users very often. Incontrol and Nony do, from time to time, but not every single one.
Ofc, who read everything on TL ?
Pretty sure you can mail him your dissatisfaction at feedback@day9.tv
or on Twitter.
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