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On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame.
He actually wasn't. You should read that blog lol. He was dead serious. He makes many other balance complaints, it's why nobody takes him seriously  .
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On June 21 2012 05:06 TerranosauresWrecks wrote:
I want to see a legit Avilo (t) vs incontrol (p)
any other matchup wouldnt make any sense to me
winning any other way wouldnt honestly mean anything...
Even if Avilo wins, what will it prove? Nothing.
They wont suddenly invite Avilo to SOTG or become BFF.
Avilo is just trying to force his way in.
I hope QXC becomes a permanent member of the show. He knows how to talk well, he is smart and talented.
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Avilo i dont think its the right attitude to get into any talkshow of any sort. i mean i know some garbage semi well known writers go in th epublic to get invites they wouldnt ever get otherwise, im not saying ur that , but theyve made it clear they dont like you, so make them like you
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On June 21 2012 05:07 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:01 hoivenmayven wrote:
It's their party and they have no obligation to invite you avilo. Weren't invited to the ball. Host your own. This right here. I don't expect to be brought in every time SoTG says something stupid as shit about maps. You know why? I know it's not my show and I can't just make demands to come on. Stop being so self-entitled. You are a terrible source on balance and have been crying about how Terran can't win since the time way back when they actually could not lose. Any show that brought you on as a Terran representative would be doing itself injustice as your style is not how anyone besides maybe Goody plays, and your views have been so warped around the concept that all your losses are the game's fault for it's shitty balance and not yourself that you no longer see the same game everyone else sees.
whenever Diamond comes into a thread, its like a fresh air after coming out of a sewer.
dont ever change :D
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You only have to read Avilo's posts on TL regarding balance not to take him seriously. He is little more than a serial whiner.
As the old saying goes, "a bad workman blames his tools."
His appearance on the show as the "voice of terran" (if one is required) would be a strong negative for the Terran race.
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Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Incontrol: ok show match lets put some money on it if you are better than me. We can see.
Avilo: my conditions u play ur worst race and I'll play a race that I already announced that I practice as
Incontrol: how about we play our main races
Avilo: you coward. Why can't u see that my ability to play Protoss better then ur Terran clearly means u are inferior!
This is entertaining. Next I propose that incontrol plays Orc and Avilo plays undead to see who is better at Warcraft 3... Seems to be the only logical follow up
Tldr: challenge!
Challenge accepted!
Both players draw their pistols
Avilo: whoah! Wtf! U have to use a rock and I will use a sword. Clearly how we will determine who is superior shooter.
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On June 21 2012 05:14 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. He actually wasn't. You should read that blog lol. He was dead serious. He makes many other balance complaints, it's why nobody takes him seriously .
host of the show do the same they would agree if they played the same race. actually idra said on multiple occasions he thinks terran is trash now, but he was just trolling on the show, and doesnt want to help terrans i guess
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On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others. Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO."
no one has perpetuated that whiner image more than you yourself
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On June 21 2012 05:15 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:06 TerranosauresWrecks wrote:
I want to see a legit Avilo (t) vs incontrol (p)
any other matchup wouldnt make any sense to me
winning any other way wouldnt honestly mean anything... Even if Avilo wins, what will it prove? Nothing. They wont suddenly invite Avilo to SOTG or become BFF. Avilo is just trying to force his way in. I hope QXC becomes a permanent member of the show. He knows how to talk well, he is smart and talented.
I'd love QXC to be on SotG more, just needs to get a better setup, sometimes its REALLY hard to understand him. :-P
EDIT: Morrow would be really awesome to have on the show too.
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Whatever legitimate points Avillo had have been obliterated by the silly antics and posturing.
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On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?
He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player.
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On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Avilo said he placed higher in a tournamen, but where exactly did he initially challenge Incontrol to a show match? Make stuff up much?He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player.
have you actually read of any of the last 20 pages in this thread?...
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On June 21 2012 05:22 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
He is only pointing out what is known, incontrol is a mediocre 'pro' whos is not a much better than Avilo is as a player.
Well, he's making a fool out of himself.
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AVILO.. IF YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER.. PLAY HIM WITH YOUR NORMAL RACES. Scared???
This will be huge if it's streamed.... LOL this will get way better ratings than GESL...
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I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore.
Plausible reasons I can think of:
most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG.
possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed
unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned
I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things.
So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)?
Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio:
+ Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way.
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On June 21 2012 05:16 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:07 Diamond wrote:On June 21 2012 05:01 hoivenmayven wrote:
It's their party and they have no obligation to invite you avilo. Weren't invited to the ball. Host your own. This right here. I don't expect to be brought in every time SoTG says something stupid as shit about maps. You know why? I know it's not my show and I can't just make demands to come on. Stop being so self-entitled. You are a terrible source on balance and have been crying about how Terran can't win since the time way back when they actually could not lose. Any show that brought you on as a Terran representative would be doing itself injustice as your style is not how anyone besides maybe Goody plays, and your views have been so warped around the concept that all your losses are the game's fault for it's shitty balance and not yourself that you no longer see the same game everyone else sees. whenever Diamond comes into a thread, its like a fresh air after coming out of a sewer. dont ever change :D
gotta requote this, sums everything up and why this is so ridiculous
Avilo its a show, if you dont agree with opinions on the show thats fine, dont watch
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On June 21 2012 05:17 MaestroSC wrote:
Avilo: let's play a show match cause I finally placed above you in a tournament and I am clearly superior now!
Incontrol: ok show match lets put some money on it if you are better than me. We can see.
Avilo: my conditions u play ur worst race and I'll play a race that I already announced that I practice as
Incontrol: how about we play our main races
Avilo: you coward. Why can't u see that my ability to play Protoss better then ur Terran clearly means u are inferior!
This is entertaining. Next I propose that incontrol plays Orc and Avilo plays undead to see who is better at Warcraft 3... Seems to be the only logical follow up
Tldr: challenge!
Challenge accepted!
Both players draw their pistols
Avilo: whoah! Wtf! U have to use a rock and I will use a sword. Clearly how we will determine who is superior shooter.
Actually if you look for my posts pages back, incontrol challenged me as a way to divert attention from the actual issue of SOTG not bringing a Terran on, and then basically insulting the community's intelligence and bashing Terran, and then on top of that would not find a Terran to bring on the show, and further on top of that wouldn't even bring an available Terran at the time (myself) to give a T perspective even when many people in chat were basically saying, "hey why not call avilo."
Instead, they devolved into bashing T and going into a high and mighty attitude. At some point during that or slightly after, some people made posts in this thread, and unprovoked, incontrol decided he would suddenly claim he was better than me at sc2 and challenge me for money.
To which I then replied, (paraphrasing, you can find the post if you want) that our skill had nothing to do with the issue and he simply was trying to divert attention elsewhere with his challenge to me. Apparently, he did not expect me to actually bite, so then I did, and he has still not accepted.
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On June 21 2012 05:26 Grimmyman123 wrote:I'm just coming back to State of the Game, cause for a wee while there I found it kinda boring, and with a number of tourney's State of the Game was off air for a bit... so I've come back months later to see whats up, going on etc... and noticed no Day[9]. Wondered why. Did a search, nadda as to why Day[9] isnt on the show any more, other than JP noting that Sean is super busy (back in May) and is taking a hiatus (and JP shitting on his audience(nice post)) Nor is he listed as one of the 5 pillars anymore. Plausible reasons I can think of: most likely - day[9]'s commitements outweighed SotG. possible: JP/MLG and Day9 contractual clash, day9 scrubbed unlikely: Day[9] personal spat with SotG and left/canned I'd like Day[9] to come back for whatever reason... he brought a great deal of game sense and knowledge to the table, and presented it in an educated manner. Nony just agrees to whatever the previous person said, which is incontrol usually, as incontrol rambles a bit, but makes good points (and some bad) in the process. JP is a host, and offers no real content to the show IMO. I could kinda do without JP entirely, but a moderator of sorts is needed on an opinion based show. Idra offers good content, and it's from the gut and from the heart as well. I like honest approaches to things. So, why is day9 gone, and when is he returning? JP? Is there no chance of it (since he's been removed as one of the main guests from the main post)? Regarding terran, inControl and Avilio: + Show Spoiler +Well, bludgeoniung your way into a notable positions isn't really the way to do it. A polite discussion with a very polite showmatch offer is a good way, but better yet is simply to just ask to be a guest Terran representative, though I doubt JP and the like want another 'guest', they're kind of elitist that way.
so, basically, you want SOTG to be a day9 daily, and you hate everyone. thanks for the contribution.
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Lol, at first I thought that avilo guy might be legit with his no terran concern, but his offrace challenge to prove whos better is ridiculous and shows his insecurity.
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Avilo: "why u no invite me in sotg ;..( my feelings r hurt so I will insult you".
This is seriously like listening to the 10 year old u did not invite to your birthday party...
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