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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
June 20 2012 19:22 GMT
#46481
I just realized something... Maybe Terran are even worse off than I imagine. I mean, people are actually listening to Avilo. Voluntarily. And they want more. Some are calling and demanding for it. What was once basically a pardoy of a person has become a rallying cry for the destitute. I'm pretty sure in Exodus or the book of Frank this was talked about as the end of days.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
1sz2sz3sz
Profile Joined January 2012
Andorra173 Posts
June 20 2012 19:24 GMT
#46482
reminder avilo is the guy who begged reddit to e-mail bomb his dad so he would let him keep playing starcraft and not doing shit else at home, despite being like 25
frontline-
Profile Joined March 2012
Bulgaria281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:28:43
June 20 2012 19:26 GMT
#46483
Some people really want this guy to represent the Terran race in the show even tho he is known for his constant whining in the forums and nothing else ? Loool

No real understanding of the game , no real skill and can talk only biased stupid shit.

gg son
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:29:44
June 20 2012 19:28 GMT
#46484
On June 21 2012 04:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I just realized something... Maybe Terran are even worse off than I imagine. I mean, people are actually listening to Avilo. Voluntarily. And they want more. Some are calling and demanding for it. What was once basically a pardoy of a person has become a rallying cry for the destitute. I'm pretty sure in Exodus or the book of Frank this was talked about as the end of days.


It's more likely that he was the only somewhat recognizable Terran that was making a fuss to SOTG's disinterest to any apparent Terran weakness. I can't imagine another reason given this guy's latest credential was going Losers Round 1 in Anaheim, and his history of _hilariously_ wrong posts.

edit, yes I know you're being sarcastic
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 20 2012 19:29 GMT
#46485
Let's just invite bitbybit and DAVIT instead, their perspective on it will probably just be as good.
Glorious SEA doto
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 20 2012 19:29 GMT
#46486
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance

seems legit. he should be made a pillar for real.
Vogue
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
June 20 2012 19:31 GMT
#46487
On June 21 2012 04:24 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
reminder avilo is the guy who begged reddit to e-mail bomb his dad so he would let him keep playing starcraft and not doing shit else at home, despite being like 25


Who can forget the Avilo Incident?
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
June 20 2012 19:32 GMT
#46488
On June 21 2012 04:21 indxrje wrote:
so is incontrol dodging?

-Avilo says he's better than incontrol
-Incontrol challlenges avilo.
-Avilo changed the rules and wanted their races switched (Incontrol as T and Avilo as P).
-Incontrol said, that's stupid, why would you say that you can beat me and then just demand switching races. Incontrol than again challenges Avilo for a normal P(Inc)vT(avilo)

judge for yourself.

I think Incontrol should just change the rules like Avilo did and demand a minesweeper battle to see who is better in sc2. It's the only logical thing.
joeschmo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States167 Posts
June 20 2012 19:32 GMT
#46489
Alright, we all want this to happen now.

Also, pillar
deepfield1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States373 Posts
June 20 2012 19:33 GMT
#46490
On June 21 2012 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance

seems legit. he should be made a pillar for real.


i was in tears
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
June 20 2012 19:33 GMT
#46491
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night?
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 20 2012 19:33 GMT
#46492
On June 21 2012 04:33 deepfield1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance

seems legit. he should be made a pillar for real.


i was in tears

must have been the patriotic american flag. brings tears to all good americans.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 20 2012 19:34 GMT
#46493
On June 21 2012 04:33 deepfield1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance

seems legit. he should be made a pillar for real.


i was in tears


i can't watch this at work D=

someone tell me what happens!
The Notorious Winkles
PersonDudeGuy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada47 Posts
June 20 2012 19:34 GMT
#46494
On June 20 2012 20:20 iNcontroL wrote:
avilo you rancid fuck lol. My terran is horrible. If you are going to dodge just say so and stop being a dumb ass about it. But if you are really scared of my protoss I will accept the challenge and play you with my zerg.. you can go terran if you like


Is that because Terran is harder than Protoss and Zerg...?

TROLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLLOL

User was warned for this post
Double hellion openings ftw
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 20 2012 19:35 GMT
#46495
On June 21 2012 04:06 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 03:29 avilo wrote:


On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then?


Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it.

Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line.

Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist.


It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend.

It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time.


You called me out to a bo5/bo7 claiming you are a superior player to me incontrol. I disagreed - I am the superior player, and because I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, as well as my pride on the line.

Earlier in this thread, you claimed you are a competant enough player to discuss Terran, I don't think you are, and I'm sure many others do not. I am not only a better overall player than you at SC2, but I am indeed more qualified to talk about balance than you are.


You are not qualified to talk about balance.

Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts.

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:
This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant.

A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta...

Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!"

Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease.

Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.

And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think.

ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise).

Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely).

The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.

And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game.

I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer.

Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2.

If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable.

The others simply stand no chance.


Clearly just ahead of his time =p
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
June 20 2012 19:37 GMT
#46496
On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night?


My thoughts exactly. One would think that you guys weren't running a free podcast for entertainment.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:39:00
June 20 2012 19:37 GMT
#46497
On June 21 2012 04:06 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 03:29 avilo wrote:


On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then?


Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it.

Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line.

Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist.


It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend.

It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time.


You called me out to a bo5/bo7 claiming you are a superior player to me incontrol. I disagreed - I am the superior player, and because I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, as well as my pride on the line.

Earlier in this thread, you claimed you are a competant enough player to discuss Terran, I don't think you are, and I'm sure many others do not. I am not only a better overall player than you at SC2, but I am indeed more qualified to talk about balance than you are.


You are not qualified to talk about balance.

Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts.

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:
This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant.

A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta...

Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!"

Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease.

Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.

And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think.

ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise).

Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely).

The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.

And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game.

I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer.

Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2.

If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable.

The others simply stand no chance.

LOL

excellent find.

On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night?

go stream some dayz with destiny, I can't keep rewatching these youtube clips much longer
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 20 2012 19:37 GMT
#46498
On June 21 2012 04:21 indxrje wrote:
so is incontrol dodging?


avilo is dodging tbh
Positronic
Profile Joined May 2012
121 Posts
June 20 2012 19:38 GMT
#46499
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance


I just about died laughing listening to this

RAVENSAREALLWEHAVELEFT
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:43:26
June 20 2012 19:41 GMT
#46500
On June 21 2012 04:20 Vortun wrote:
I'll just leave this here

Avilo Talks About Terran Balance


If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change.

There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was.

If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit.

He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game.
Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable.

A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
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