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On June 21 2012 03:56 Starshaped wrote:
And you compare them to the Koreans who aren't doing well, either? Well, guess what? Those Koreans barely scrape by, have ZERO name recognition, and play their fucking hearts out practicing every day for a chance to succeed in tournaments. There is no state of the game for them, no dreamhack casting gig, nothing at all. They have only the game and if they don't eventually make a big name for themselves they will indeed stop. Frankly, I'm insulted on their behalf that you would even consider comparing them to people like Incontrol.
I can't actually take you seriously now if you think that Incontrol and Nony have any less passion for the game and any less of an insane work ethic than a korean progamer. I don't know either of them personally, so all I can look is the emperical evidence - they have been doing this for a long time, and for most of it received little to no reward for it. Maybe they all secretly hate it and are just coasting, but that seems too unlikely to even give credence, and that's all I can say, and that's all you can really say, too. When you get offended over something that you have no business getting offended over, that makes me wonder if you actually have anything to say, or if you're just trying to say it the loudest.
At this point, you do not live in reality. I can't reply to you anymore.
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On June 21 2012 03:54 indxrje wrote:
based avilo
#nofluff
#realtalk
#mech
#3-0
#about to beat incontrol
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On June 21 2012 03:39 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:30 Quotidian wrote:
comparing an individual sport to a team sport doesn't make much sense anyway Then compare it to tennis. There are plenty of tennis pros who don't win anything yet or don't win anything anymore or won't ever win anything, but they still at least partly make their living from playing tennis.
Even that doesn't really call to the point people are making.
In major tennis matches everyone is a professional player. They are all sponsored and they all train full time. Perhaps we use the word professional player too losely in sc2 but having players that have variables such as:
1) train in korea
2) receive salary to play/train
3) live in dedicated team houses to train
And then lose to amateurs, kids that play during free time from school and work it calls suspect to why certain players continue to receive such substantial backing as a 'pro gamer'. I'm not sure it can be justified for some. Of course you don't have to win every title, or ever win a title to be a professional but a lot of the results we've been seeing at major tournaments is quite.. interesting.
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On June 21 2012 04:02 Pandobra wrote:#3-0 #about to beat incontrol
WHERE MY AVILO BROS AT
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is the tlpd not updated for this avilo character, or does he just have this huge fucking ego?
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On June 21 2012 04:01 NeuTrons12 wrote:
lol avilo is like mid master lvl on EU why the heck should he do on SOTG and why does he randomly get attention...
I think he'd be in good company in SoTG.. most of the people there are pretty mediocre players, except when demu or qxc are around of course.
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On June 21 2012 03:34 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:06 Vega62a wrote:On June 21 2012 02:41 Starshaped wrote:On June 21 2012 02:11 Vega62a wrote:On June 21 2012 01:57 Starshaped wrote:On June 21 2012 01:51 Vega62a wrote:
I still don't understand all the random forum denizens coming into this thread and informing pro players that they "just aren't that good" or "can't speak to balance" of a race they don't play.
Do these people, who ladder for maybe a few hours a day and watch some vods when they get the chance, really think they can hold a candle to professionals? Do they really think that people whose livelihoods depend on their knowledge and skill at the game don't spend hours a day gathering knowledge on every corner of the game?
I don't care if you think it's elitist or arrogant or whatever. The fact is that the pros are qualified to talk and their opinions do matter because they are pros. Not to burst your bubble, but Incontrol, Idra and Nony are among the 'pros' who are least dependent on actually being good at the game to keep their careers going. They get by on other merits entirely. I'm glad you know so much about their finances and the inner workings of the hiring and contractual practices at Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid. Please, tell me more about them, but be sure to state your qualifications first. You do understand that you literally have no room to call any of those people anything but "really really good," right? I do, in fact, have room to call them other than "really really good", but that's besides the point. Do you really think Incontrol or Nony need to win to eat? Do they need to be top players to keep their spots on their respective top teams? No, as history has shown, and if you don't understand this you are incredibly blue-eyed. Like I said, they get by on other merits, such as being big names, being personalities, being casters, being whatever. I'd call Incontrol a progamer as much as I would call JP a progamer, or Artosis a progamer. I mean, do you seriously think EG would keep a mid-high master player on their roster for so long if not for reasons outside of being a progamer? And I don't mean this in a bad way, I just mean for these particular players you can't draw the progamer card and tell me to sit down. Please do tell then, what your own qualifications are, to call them anything but really, really good. What you are doing is similar to when a consumer calls Windows "bad." It means they don't like the product, but they have absolutely no ability to accurately criticise it from the perspective of a programmer or engineer. Incontrol a mid-high masters player? Are you kidding me? Do you notice on his stream how he's in grandmasters? Show me where history shows that they don't have to be top players to keep their spots on a team. You can't just say "HISTORY SHOWS IT" and expect me to say "oh, well okay then, if history shows it." So yes, I can still draw the progamer card and tell you to sit down. You are not a progamer, compared to any of these people you know literally nothing about the game, and you have no room to criticise their play. Go away please. No, for example I met Incontrol several times when he laddered on EU, I'm not some bronze kid calling them bad, I can compete with Incontrol/Nony, at the very least I'm not too far away from them in skill, and I'm a fulltime student and don't for one second call myself a progamer. Basically, their fame-to-skill ratio is incredibly skewed, but again, that's beside the point. Just look at their results since forever, dude. They aren't progamers in the sense that they make their living off of playing the game, if they were they would have starved to death long ago. Instead they make their living off of being personalities/casters/managers/whatever. Again, there's nothing wrong with that and I don't look down on them for it, but this means you can't tell me they are some sort of SC2 gods with whom I could never ever compare myself with or whatever point you're trying to make.
You are like that kid who called Inside the Game claiming he “had watched incontrol’s stream and from what he say, he was as talented as incontrol” Just because you watch their stream and think “Wow, that kinda looks like how I play, so I must be as good at them” does not mean that you are. The ability to play at a lan event is very different from sitting at home at your computer.
Further more, you beat them in a few games, which does not mean anything. During practice, they could be focusing on anything else, like figuring out a new build, trying out new controls or just warming up. Playing against their main account, which pretty much shows they are either streaming or just messing around. It is common knowledge that most professional players use smurfs for their real practice.
But you know what, if you want to live the dream and think you are as good as them, go right ahead. Or challenge them to a cash game and see how it works out for you.
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Incontrol is funny, SotG is funny, this thread is hilarious. I hope that Avilo will play Incontrol with his main race in a bo5 streamed showmatch, would be incredible to watch.
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On June 21 2012 03:29 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then? Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it. Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line. Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist. It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend. It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though  Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time. You called me out to a bo5/bo7 claiming you are a superior player to me incontrol. I disagreed - I am the superior player, and because I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, as well as my pride on the line. Earlier in this thread, you claimed you are a competant enough player to discuss Terran, I don't think you are, and I'm sure many others do not. I am not only a better overall player than you at SC2, but I am indeed more qualified to talk about balance than you are.
You are not qualified to talk about balance.
Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts.
On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant. A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta... Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!" Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease. Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think. ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise). Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely). The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game. I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer. Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2. If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable. The others simply stand no chance.
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Spaghetti everywhere.
Where is it all coming from
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On June 21 2012 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:
is the tlpd not updated for this avilo character, or does he just have this huge fucking ego?
Yes, he does. I don't know who the f**k is this, but his ego just went through whole website. I don't know man, he thinks he's some kind of guru or something. And he even got promoted by iNcontroL with his stream. I didn't saw any results from this guy - I don't know who he is.
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On June 21 2012 04:06 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:29 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then? Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it. Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line. Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist. It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend. It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time. You called me out to a bo5/bo7 claiming you are a superior player to me incontrol. I disagreed - I am the superior player, and because I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, as well as my pride on the line. Earlier in this thread, you claimed you are a competant enough player to discuss Terran, I don't think you are, and I'm sure many others do not. I am not only a better overall player than you at SC2, but I am indeed more qualified to talk about balance than you are. You are not qualified to talk about balance. Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts. Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant. A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta... Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!" Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease. Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think. ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise). Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely). The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game. I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer. Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2. If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable. The others simply stand no chance.
Hahaha! Thanks for sharing, best read I've had all day!
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On June 21 2012 04:01 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:56 Starshaped wrote:
And you compare them to the Koreans who aren't doing well, either? Well, guess what? Those Koreans barely scrape by, have ZERO name recognition, and play their fucking hearts out practicing every day for a chance to succeed in tournaments. There is no state of the game for them, no dreamhack casting gig, nothing at all. They have only the game and if they don't eventually make a big name for themselves they will indeed stop. Frankly, I'm insulted on their behalf that you would even consider comparing them to people like Incontrol. I can't actually take you seriously now if you think that Incontrol and Nony have any less passion for the game and any less of an insane work ethic than a korean progamer. I don't know either of them personally, so all I can look is the emperical evidence - they have been doing this for a long time, and for most of it received little to no reward for it. Maybe they all secretly hate it and are just coasting, but that seems too unlikely to even give credence, and that's all I can say, and that's all you can really say, too. When you get offended over something that you have no business getting offended over, that makes me wonder if you actually have anything to say, or if you're just trying to say it the loudest. At this point, you do not live in reality. I can't reply to you anymore.
Did I say they have less passion? I'm just saying their continued success in the world of e-sports isn't contingent on them actually being good at the game. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? It's practically self-evident.
On June 21 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:34 Starshaped wrote:On June 21 2012 03:06 Vega62a wrote:On June 21 2012 02:41 Starshaped wrote:On June 21 2012 02:11 Vega62a wrote:On June 21 2012 01:57 Starshaped wrote:On June 21 2012 01:51 Vega62a wrote:
I still don't understand all the random forum denizens coming into this thread and informing pro players that they "just aren't that good" or "can't speak to balance" of a race they don't play.
Do these people, who ladder for maybe a few hours a day and watch some vods when they get the chance, really think they can hold a candle to professionals? Do they really think that people whose livelihoods depend on their knowledge and skill at the game don't spend hours a day gathering knowledge on every corner of the game?
I don't care if you think it's elitist or arrogant or whatever. The fact is that the pros are qualified to talk and their opinions do matter because they are pros. Not to burst your bubble, but Incontrol, Idra and Nony are among the 'pros' who are least dependent on actually being good at the game to keep their careers going. They get by on other merits entirely. I'm glad you know so much about their finances and the inner workings of the hiring and contractual practices at Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid. Please, tell me more about them, but be sure to state your qualifications first. You do understand that you literally have no room to call any of those people anything but "really really good," right? I do, in fact, have room to call them other than "really really good", but that's besides the point. Do you really think Incontrol or Nony need to win to eat? Do they need to be top players to keep their spots on their respective top teams? No, as history has shown, and if you don't understand this you are incredibly blue-eyed. Like I said, they get by on other merits, such as being big names, being personalities, being casters, being whatever. I'd call Incontrol a progamer as much as I would call JP a progamer, or Artosis a progamer. I mean, do you seriously think EG would keep a mid-high master player on their roster for so long if not for reasons outside of being a progamer? And I don't mean this in a bad way, I just mean for these particular players you can't draw the progamer card and tell me to sit down. Please do tell then, what your own qualifications are, to call them anything but really, really good. What you are doing is similar to when a consumer calls Windows "bad." It means they don't like the product, but they have absolutely no ability to accurately criticise it from the perspective of a programmer or engineer. Incontrol a mid-high masters player? Are you kidding me? Do you notice on his stream how he's in grandmasters? Show me where history shows that they don't have to be top players to keep their spots on a team. You can't just say "HISTORY SHOWS IT" and expect me to say "oh, well okay then, if history shows it." So yes, I can still draw the progamer card and tell you to sit down. You are not a progamer, compared to any of these people you know literally nothing about the game, and you have no room to criticise their play. Go away please. No, for example I met Incontrol several times when he laddered on EU, I'm not some bronze kid calling them bad, I can compete with Incontrol/Nony, at the very least I'm not too far away from them in skill, and I'm a fulltime student and don't for one second call myself a progamer. Basically, their fame-to-skill ratio is incredibly skewed, but again, that's beside the point. Just look at their results since forever, dude. They aren't progamers in the sense that they make their living off of playing the game, if they were they would have starved to death long ago. Instead they make their living off of being personalities/casters/managers/whatever. Again, there's nothing wrong with that and I don't look down on them for it, but this means you can't tell me they are some sort of SC2 gods with whom I could never ever compare myself with or whatever point you're trying to make. You are like that kid who called Inside the Game claiming he “had watched incontrol’s stream and from what he say, he was as talented as incontrol” Just because you watch their stream and think “Wow, that kinda looks like how I play, so I must be as good at them” does not mean that you are. The ability to play at a lan event is very different from sitting at home at your computer. Further more, you beat them in a few games, which does not mean anything. During practice, they could be focusing on anything else, like figuring out a new build, trying out new controls or just warming up. Playing against their main account, which pretty much shows they are either streaming or just messing around. It is common knowledge that most professional players use smurfs for their real practice. But you know what, if you want to live the dream and think you are as good as them, go right ahead. Or challenge them to a cash game and see how it works out for you.
The original point was that I had no say whatsoever because these guys are progamers who are lighyears ahead of me etc. etc.
If I can beat them, even if it's 'just' ladder (how the fuck else would I play them?) or even have close games against them, then I think I can safely say they aren't godlike SC2 players with whom I may never disagree with. People need to stop putting these guys up on a pedestal. I still strongly disagree with how they handled the last SotG and I will continue to do so, and I don't need people telling me they are infallible progamers and that I'm a nobody who shouldn't open his mouth.
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The only solution to this Avilo vs Incontrol penis-measuring contest is to do 1 best of 5 on race and 1 best of 5 off race. Winner gets $50. In the event of a tie, a 5 min round fight with UFC rules will decide the victor.
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On June 21 2012 04:06 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:29 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then? Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it. Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line. Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist. It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend. It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time. You called me out to a bo5/bo7 claiming you are a superior player to me incontrol. I disagreed - I am the superior player, and because I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, as well as my pride on the line. Earlier in this thread, you claimed you are a competant enough player to discuss Terran, I don't think you are, and I'm sure many others do not. I am not only a better overall player than you at SC2, but I am indeed more qualified to talk about balance than you are. You are not qualified to talk about balance. Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts. Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant. A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta... Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!" Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease. Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think. ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise). Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely). The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game. I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer. Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2. If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable. The others simply stand no chance.
This thread is now about finding nuggets of balance whine gold from the Terran Bonjwa Avilo.
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I wonder if this Avilo character has realised that, perhaps TvZ isn't as imbalanced as he says, and that, perhaps, he's just bad against Zerg. I literally have no idea who he is, nor have I ever watched his stream until I watched SOTG and heard about him. If he's so good, why is he not making runs into tournaments like WCS, like Suppy or Daisuki did? Hell, is he even GM?
InControl, I think the solution here is for you guys to do the offrace, take it seriously (no cheesing), and then do a proper race game. If it's 1-1, leave it.
I think that pro gamers and casters (the casters more so than the players) are more entitled to talk about the state of the game than anyone else, because they watch more of the game, they understand more of the game, and they interact with the best gamers on the planet. I believe Artosis to be the best objective person on the show, even though he plays Protoss, because of the level of the game he is constantly exposed to.
If SOTG need a Terran that damn badly why doesn't Idra just reach across, grab Demuslim and ask his opinion? If it's as outrageously biased as Avilo's is, the others can objectively shoot it down. If not, you've got your damn Terran opinion, from a top level foreign Terran.
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On June 21 2012 04:14 Le BucheRON wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:06 Diavlo wrote:You are not qualified to talk about balance. Just took me 2 minutes to find this gem you wrote after gsl1. I bolded the most hilarious parts. On October 26 2010 04:38 avilo wrote:This is going to be the easiest prediction ever, as well as slight rant. A Zerg is going to win GSL season 2. Any idiot can see this. This last patch made it impossible for top level Terrans to beat top level Zergs once the game goes anywhere near late game. Larva inject simply kills you. Just like beta... Reading the SC2 boards make me cringe though, because there are still posters posting, "omg that Zerg played so amazing!" or, "omg now Terrans need to learn how to play....ha!" Do these people not see that Zergs are doing literally nothing different from last patch and now are raping the face of every Terran they come across. And they're doing it with ease. Zergs right now are secretly smiling and trying to play off the "our race is so weak " card even when they know their race is now the strongest. I find it absolutely hilarious how biased Zerg players are and how their perception of game balance is horribly off to how the game actually is.And I doubt top level P's are having much easier of a time versus Z that T's are. PvZ is probably balanced now, considering Protoss had such a huge advantage in the last patch, but now it's about even I'd think. ZvT though...lol blizzard. Every ZvT the Zerg gets their expo for free, with not even the THREAT of losing it. That threat was so very important in the patch b4 this (where Zergs were already beginning to rape Terrans - but they pretended otherwise). Terran has been massively overnerfed. It basically started with the Tank nerf. Instead of buffing Zerg up to Terran's level, Tanks were nerfed (also making them utterly garbage in TvP killing off mech entirely). The supply depot before rax change, plus the reaper changes now leaves Zerg so comfortable, they're often 20 drones ahead in any and every ZvT you or I will ever play.And reapers...have been effectively removed from the game. I cannot see any race other than a Zerg like idra or fruitdealer winning GSL2. This is not a matter of "just play better and recognize your mistakes." Zerg is right now the strongest race (again) and I predict a ZvZ finals, with idra versus fruitdealer. Or it could be any other two Zergs in the finals. Assuming somehow it is not a ZvZ final and some protoss or terran gimmicks their way to the finals, if the final is ZvT, Zerg absolutely is the winner of GSL2. If it's a PvZ in the finals, it is a toss-up. And at this point in time, predicting a TvP finals is laughable. The others simply stand no chance. Hahaha! Thanks for sharing, best read I've had all day!
oh god, this is hilarious hahah. I'm done, seriously
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EPT
