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On June 21 2012 00:17 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then? Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it. Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line. Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist. It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend. It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though  Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time.
Your challenge had no purpose other than to divert attention away from what was being discussed. It was basically just a big ol' red herring. At least Avilo's challenge had relevance -- he'd be able to demonstrate he's more competent to discuss TvP from both sides than you are. By your own admission, your Terran is bad. Thus, Avilo might have a point in his estimation of your show and your ability to understand the metagame and balance from a Terran perspective. For someone putting so much emphasis on Avilo dodging a challenge, it's remarkable that you don't see you're doing it yourself. If you're 10 times the player Avilo is you should have no difficulty overcoming any challenge he issues.
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Yes let's bring on the guy that has been complaining about Terran being underpowered since the beta back when Terrans won EVERYTHING. Also the guy that suggested the best way to beat the old 70 damage siege tanks was to drop 20 Nydus worms in a Terran main all at one time.
Sounds like a guy I'd want to bring on SoTG, oh wait, no not at all.
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On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants.
That is such a bullshit qualification. If no one called him out in it he'd be 100% serious with them, wouldn't he? It's a lot easier to just say "dw guys I was just trolling" than to actually defend your position.
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On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame.
A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others.
On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night?
No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO."
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On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others. Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO."
And it's because you are bad. Deal with it. Watched ur stream, and I wouldn't like such a guy to commentate on balance.
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On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO."
Isn't that "CALL X" thing just a meme that originated from dh like someone mentioned on sotg? People spammed that shit all weekend..
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On June 21 2012 04:13 Zythus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:05 dAPhREAk wrote:
is the tlpd not updated for this avilo character, or does he just have this huge fucking ego? Yes, he does. I don't know who the f**k is this, but his ego just went through whole website. I don't know man, he thinks he's some kind of guru or something. And he even got promoted by iNcontroL with his stream. I didn't saw any results from this guy - I don't know who he is.
He jumps in a LR thread now and then, and its sad. Every single time he whines just like every bronze player. Too bad he never gets banned - at least i ve never seem it happen.
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On June 21 2012 04:56 Zythus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others. On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO." And it's because you are bad. Deal with it. Watched ur stream, and I wouldn't like such a guy to commentate on balance.
If you can't differentiate between talking to the camera and entertaining people on stream, and having an intelligent discussion with other SC2 players/human beings about the game in real time...something is wrong with you.
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On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so? Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again. I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG.
Avilo - let me know if this happens for real. If it does, I will throw in my own cash to sweeten the pot. I will PM you on this.
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On June 21 2012 04:56 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO." Isn't that "CALL X" thing just a meme that originated from dh like someone mentioned on sotg? People spammed that shit all weekend..
I think it was when 2GD was debating whether to continue casting or to call a girl he had a date with, but yeah.
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It's their party and they have no obligation to invite you avilo. Weren't invited to the ball. Host your own.
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On June 21 2012 05:00 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so? Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again. I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG. Avilo - let me know if this happens for real. If it does, I will throw in my own cash to sweeten the pot. I will PM you on this.
The challenge is still up, still waiting.
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On June 21 2012 05:03 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:00 D_K_night wrote:On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so? Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again. I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG. Avilo - let me know if this happens for real. If it does, I will throw in my own cash to sweeten the pot. I will PM you on this. The challenge is still up, still waiting.
why you don't you play him with your normal races?
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On June 21 2012 04:58 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:56 Zythus wrote:On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others. On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO." And it's because you are bad. Deal with it. Watched ur stream, and I wouldn't like such a guy to commentate on balance. If you can't differentiate between talking to the camera and entertaining people on stream, and having an intelligent discussion with other SC2 players/human beings about the game...something is wrong with you.
If entertaining people on stream, is having a chat "F*ck Protoss" ingame open, screaming like a girl when engagement happens, and almost not saying anything through whole game... yeah, I think you don't know how to speak with others and entertain people mister obvious. And as I already said - deal with it.
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I want to see a legit Avilo (t) vs incontrol (p)
any other matchup wouldnt make any sense to me
winning any other way wouldnt honestly mean anything...
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On June 21 2012 05:01 hoivenmayven wrote:
It's their party and they have no obligation to invite you avilo. Weren't invited to the ball. Host your own.
This right here. I don't expect to be brought in every time SoTG says something stupid as shit about maps. You know why? I know it's not my show and I can't just make demands to come on. Stop being so self-entitled.
You are a terrible source on balance and have been crying about how Terran can't win since the time way back when they actually could not lose. Any show that brought you on as a Terran representative would be doing itself injustice as your style is not how anyone besides maybe Goody plays, and your views have been so warped around the concept that all your losses are the game's fault for it's shitty balance and not yourself that you no longer see the same game everyone else sees.
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On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:33 itmeJP wrote:
Who the fuck shit all over the place last night? No offense, and perhaps some will be taken, but you pussied out like hell last night. I offered Terran insight and polite discussion to you guys multiple times, a hell of a lot of people in chat were asking for you to get me in on the skype call, and you then throw out "ok let's see who wants us to call him," "oh looks like no one" when literally the entire chat was "CALL AVILO."
Clearly they should do what the stream chat says, after all they so accurately predict when Day 9 is hit by a car...
If you watch the VOD, the entire show did not want you on, Alex and Artosis included. I don't think its because you are terran. I think it might have something to do with your personality or the sorts of quality of arguments you put forth.
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Can someone tell me what time is incontrol doing is rant on people complaining that there's no terran on the show? Thx
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On June 21 2012 04:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 04:41 one-one-one wrote:If you actually watch his stream and just don't take a short excerpt out of context you would know that he is semi-trolling with those rants. Patch 1.4.3 was bullshit because it completely killed off the ghost in TvZ, and every pro terran on this earth could foresee that. It is not like he is ranting over a 5s bunker build time change. There was another terran named qxc who basically said the same things avilo is saying in that video. The difference was that he wrapped it up better and presented it in a non-trollish way. But it was blatantly obvious that he was as upset as avilo was. If you actually reach the end of avilos video he actually nuances things a bit. He is not saying the game is imbalanced. He is complaining about how Blizzard patches the game. Actually he explicitly tells people to not jump on the Z OP train , or the T OP train or any other OP train conceivable. A lot of his criticism is about how terran is pigeonholed into only being strong in the early game and in the midgame. A lot of people don't actually watch or comprehend things because of personalities like incontrol that have constantly talked shit about me for over a year now and perpetuated this persona of me as a "balance whiner" / etc. You still have people in this thread that know virtually nothing about me or have heard tidbits that accept this image of me without even questioning it because such influential people like incontrol talk shit to get a few laughs at the expense of others.
I have to sort of agree with this.
You were whining in BETA and shortly after, along with every body else, but you got a lot of shit because you were Terran. There were iMBA things for all the 3 races back then, but a Terran complaining was unacceptable, Incontrol and Idra were some of the most vocal.
FWIW though, i'm disapointed in Incontrol and his "holier than thou" atitude. You were biased, rude to the people calling for a Terran representative on the show and confrontational in this thread. I still like you a lot, but when it come to Terran or any balance discussion i can not take you seriously.
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On June 21 2012 05:05 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:03 avilo wrote:On June 21 2012 05:00 D_K_night wrote:On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 11:52 iNcontroL wrote:
but yes you placed higher than me, do you think you are better than me? Care to do a bo5/7 for 100$ or so? Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again. I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG. Avilo - let me know if this happens for real. If it does, I will throw in my own cash to sweeten the pot. I will PM you on this. The challenge is still up, still waiting. why you don't you play him with your normal races?
Would put up $100 for the winner to see this happen.
Money can be sent via Paypal to trusted 3rd party before match.
Really want to see this showmatch/grudgematch 
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