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On April 27 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:31 turdburgler wrote:On April 27 2012 16:28 xBenderx wrote:On April 27 2012 16:21 Jakkerr wrote:On April 27 2012 16:14 mambar wrote:On April 27 2012 15:48 Jakkerr wrote:On April 27 2012 13:57 zefreak wrote:On April 27 2012 13:39 Shaddar wrote:On April 27 2012 12:58 zefreak wrote:On April 27 2012 12:39 Opeasy wrote:
I must say you guys were way too harsh towards naniwa. Bullying is not cool, even if you are trying to be funny. Six (or five, thorzain said very little during this) of the biggest personalities in sc2 talking shit about one guy is not cool. I hope you will apologize ASAP! What did they say? After hearing what MC had to say about him, as well as HuK, im really curious if I missed something. What did MC and Huk have to say about him? Well MC said he was BM and disrespectful in the MLG Arena interview, also laughed when Naniwa's ro8 result came up and said that Naniwa is always lucky because his opponents play horrible against him, and Huk agreed. Huk saying something like that is hilarious. The only times he got far in tournaments were when he got insanely easy opponents, which he gets quite a lot o.0 yeah the ONLY times were when his opponents were INSANELY easy. these types of comments are so fucking absurd go ahead and link me a tournament in which Huk got far where he didn't have a much easier run then the other guys. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando:0000000000 stc has always struggled with consistency. the only surprising results there is beating hero and mkp. huks pvp has always done well against mc, who is a much better player. probab;y due to practising together. On April 27 2012 20:16 jworld wrote:On April 27 2012 20:05 Resilient wrote:
Imo MC/HuK/Naniwa are almost carbon copies of each other. With each of them specialising in a separate matchup and each having a notable weakness in one too. Not sure how MC/HuK can call Naniwa lucky when they've had tournaments with nothing but PvZ(MC) and PvP(HuK). I think MC needs to get over Naniwa's probe rush "BM" and HuK needs to accept there are other foreigner protosses as good/or better than him. It's clearly all an ego thing from both of them. It's clearly because they don't get along with him. Countless people have stated that Naniwa is an oddball IRL. It's simple, if you don't like someone of course you are going to talk down their success. no, thats not true. i can see that naniwa would be hard to get a long with but trashing him in an interview makes people like huk and mc just as unlikable. when professional players put others success down to luck or whatever its just sad, anyone can find results of any player where they dont deserve a win, or got a surprising result. its pathetic to try and call out 1 player on that. Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this. User was warned for this post
There are people who say the contrary aswell, such as Sase and Artosis. I'm not saying he's the coolest guy ever to hang out with but I don't think he's like that with EVERYBODY.
EDIT: And appearently Tyler aswell  .
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I've had only good interactions with Naniwa.
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On April 28 2012 01:11 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 27 2012 20:31 turdburgler wrote:On April 27 2012 16:28 xBenderx wrote:On April 27 2012 16:21 Jakkerr wrote:On April 27 2012 16:14 mambar wrote:On April 27 2012 15:48 Jakkerr wrote:On April 27 2012 13:57 zefreak wrote:On April 27 2012 13:39 Shaddar wrote:On April 27 2012 12:58 zefreak wrote:
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What did they say? After hearing what MC had to say about him, as well as HuK, im really curious if I missed something. What did MC and Huk have to say about him? Well MC said he was BM and disrespectful in the MLG Arena interview, also laughed when Naniwa's ro8 result came up and said that Naniwa is always lucky because his opponents play horrible against him, and Huk agreed. Huk saying something like that is hilarious. The only times he got far in tournaments were when he got insanely easy opponents, which he gets quite a lot o.0 yeah the ONLY times were when his opponents were INSANELY easy. these types of comments are so fucking absurd go ahead and link me a tournament in which Huk got far where he didn't have a much easier run then the other guys. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando:0000000000 stc has always struggled with consistency. the only surprising results there is beating hero and mkp. huks pvp has always done well against mc, who is a much better player. probab;y due to practising together. On April 27 2012 20:16 jworld wrote:On April 27 2012 20:05 Resilient wrote:
Imo MC/HuK/Naniwa are almost carbon copies of each other. With each of them specialising in a separate matchup and each having a notable weakness in one too. Not sure how MC/HuK can call Naniwa lucky when they've had tournaments with nothing but PvZ(MC) and PvP(HuK). I think MC needs to get over Naniwa's probe rush "BM" and HuK needs to accept there are other foreigner protosses as good/or better than him. It's clearly all an ego thing from both of them. It's clearly because they don't get along with him. Countless people have stated that Naniwa is an oddball IRL. It's simple, if you don't like someone of course you are going to talk down their success. no, thats not true. i can see that naniwa would be hard to get a long with but trashing him in an interview makes people like huk and mc just as unlikable. when professional players put others success down to luck or whatever its just sad, anyone can find results of any player where they dont deserve a win, or got a surprising result. its pathetic to try and call out 1 player on that. Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this. User was warned for this post There are people who say the contrary aswell, such as Sase and Artosis. I'm not saying he's the coolest guy ever to hang out with but I don't think he's like that with EVERYBODY.
Most people who are regarded in this way aren't like that to everyone... This should be a basic fundamental truth about people, I know a lot of assholes--many of them are very kind to me. This does not make them not an asshole though, this just makes them not an asshole to me. I think that difference can be recognizable and understood, that a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square--people can be assholes but that person isn't necessarily always an asshole?
Someone's reputation is built from their own actions--even Huk has a history of being kind of an asshole, so does Idra, shit so do I, people can't be nice 100% of the time (except for this one dude I used to play WoW with, all he did was be happy and nice to everyone and you felt fucking awesome talking to him because he made you feel great about yourself).
I think at it's core it's more that Naniwa is just fairly socially awkward and emotional and it's easy to perceive that as being an asshole sometimes (because it's generally either awkward behavior or rude behavior associated with that). I don't think he thinks terribly hard about what he says sometimes and is unaware that sometimes what he says can be hurtful or very rude to another person.
I think to some degree he's working on that, much like most people who don't realize how important what they say is to others at first, there's this period of [Ongoing Shitstorm] followed by [Boiling Shitstew] and over the course it just sort of goes away. He seems to be making an effort to tone it back and recognize that his words carry actual weight to people.
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Progamers always shrug off criticisms by stating that those who make them are simply jealous of their life. I wonder if some of the criticism of Naniwa can be explained in the same way?
Please take a sharpie and underline the word "some" in the previous sentence on your computer screen.
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I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory.
Anyway... Great show as always, guys
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On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys
Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does.
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On April 27 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game.
you say "unlike you who actually know him" ... do you "actually know him?"
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On April 27 2012 22:48 Master_Blaster wrote:
Idra should look in the mirror from time to time because he might see a Naniwa in there.
On the contrary, basically everyone says that IdrA is a really cool person to meet, as long as you don't talk to him about games he just played.
A lot of people say Naniwa is hard to get along with.
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On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does.
Unless you speak Swedish, Korean, and English you can hardly disprove his point.
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On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does.
Its prolly not an excuse but there is no denying the fact that, for most people, its much easier to express themselves in their native language
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On April 28 2012 03:55 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does. Its prolly not an excuse but there is no denying the fact that, for most people, its much easier to express themselves in their native language
So that totally changes him yelling to someone "I'm going to kill you in your sleep with a knife"?
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It always seemed like Naniwa was a little lacking in picking up on some social cues and was slightly awkward but he honestly seems like a good guy who's loyal to his friends and very determined to do his best. He seems to rub some people the wrong way and the probe rush was a little silly but I think he's honestly a good person.
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On April 28 2012 04:15 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:55 DaCruise wrote:On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does. Its prolly not an excuse but there is no denying the fact that, for most people, its much easier to express themselves in their native language So that totally changes him yelling to someone "I'm going to kill you in your sleep with a knife"?
You are basing that from hearsay from Incontrol which may or may not be true.
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On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does.
that's because for some reason koreans speaking enlgish seems to be entertaining for a lot of people, doesn't matter what they say. (see: MC casting at ipl4 or anywhere)
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On April 28 2012 04:19 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:15 Femari wrote:On April 28 2012 03:55 DaCruise wrote:On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does. Its prolly not an excuse but there is no denying the fact that, for most people, its much easier to express themselves in their native language So that totally changes him yelling to someone "I'm going to kill you in your sleep with a knife"? You are basing that from hearsay from Incontrol which may or may not be true.
Wait, so now we just assume Incontrol is lying? Trolol, you have to be kidding me.
Naniwa is a dick to some people, but he's nice to others. All of us are that way, I assure you. Even Sheth admits that he's not nice all the time, and can be an ass at times. Why that dichotomy is apparently hardcore exhibited in Naniwa is beyond us unless we ask him personally (and apparently in Swedish), but where you land on the matter is valid either way. Either you like him for being a dick, you like him for being good at the game, you like him for both reasons, or you hate him for either of those reasons.
It's the same for MC, Incontrol, HuK, Idra, everyone in the pro scene. Hell, casters even. It might be time to calm down and accept that some people don't like when people are assholes to their favorite players.
Then again, "It might be time to calm down" never really works. Especially when you've gotten to the point of challenging Incontrol, a very well liked and trusted member of the community, and calling him a liar.
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Why do you even care if he's a nice person to hang out with?
As if he'd give any of you guys the time of the day...
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What was the reason for Day9 not being on the show? It couldn't of been daily as it was EU week.
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On April 28 2012 04:32 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 04:19 Eury wrote:On April 28 2012 04:15 Femari wrote:On April 28 2012 03:55 DaCruise wrote:On April 28 2012 03:43 rysecake wrote:On April 28 2012 03:42 DSP wrote:I think some of Naniwas awkwardness comes from the fact that his english is a bit lacking. Naniwa always appeard a bit weird to me until i recently watched an interview in swedish by Rakaka. I was completely blown away by how different he came across, he was much more well spoken and coherent as opposed to some of his english interviews. But thats just a theory. Anyway... Great show as always, guys Poor excuse. Many koreans speak 0 english at all and don't come off the way Naniwa does. Its prolly not an excuse but there is no denying the fact that, for most people, its much easier to express themselves in their native language So that totally changes him yelling to someone "I'm going to kill you in your sleep with a knife"? You are basing that from hearsay from Incontrol which may or may not be true. Wait, so now we just assume Incontrol is lying? Trolol, you have to be kidding me. Naniwa is a dick to some people, but he's nice to others. All of us are that way, I assure you. Even Sheth admits that he's not nice all the time, and can be an ass at times. Why that dichotomy is apparently hardcore exhibited in Naniwa is beyond us unless we ask him personally (and apparently in Swedish), but where you land on the matter is valid either way. Either you like him for being a dick, you like him for being good at the game, you like him for both reasons, or you hate him for either of those reasons. It's the same for MC, Incontrol, HuK, Idra, everyone in the pro scene. Hell, casters even. It might be time to calm down and accept that some people don't like when people are assholes to their favorite players. Then again, "It might be time to calm down" never really works. Especially when you've gotten to the point of challenging Incontrol, a very well liked and trusted member of the community, and calling him a liar.
Well the only one who can clear that up is Hellspawn whom supposedly recieve those threats.
I don't know who to believe but it is quite a severe accusation to make and one would think there would have been at least some mention of it on Rakaka since Hellspawn is a writer there.
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Great show, I kinda like the format of not having complete regulars, but just having SC2 people on for a chat.
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