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Master_Blaster
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom269 Posts
April 27 2012 11:08 GMT
#44001
On April 27 2012 19:42 Gamegene wrote:
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On April 27 2012 19:40 FunnyPicture wrote:
Americans shitting on a european player.. What else is new. U jelly yanks?


lol people don't like nani not because he's swedish, it's because he acts like prick.


He just says the truth. Just like your dear idra. Double standard much?


Huk acts like a prick more than Naniwa who cleaned up his act. Double standard much?
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#44002
Best State of the Game i've seen. A lot of different subjects and good discussions
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 11:26:54
April 27 2012 11:14 GMT
#44003
Can someone post when they talk about Naniwa please?

EDIT: It starts at 2:05
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
jworld
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia41 Posts
April 27 2012 11:16 GMT
#44004
On April 27 2012 20:05 Resilient wrote:
Imo MC/HuK/Naniwa are almost carbon copies of each other. With each of them specialising in a separate matchup and each having a notable weakness in one too. Not sure how MC/HuK can call Naniwa lucky when they've had tournaments with nothing but PvZ(MC) and PvP(HuK). I think MC needs to get over Naniwa's probe rush "BM" and HuK needs to accept there are other foreigner protosses as good/or better than him. It's clearly all an ego thing from both of them.

It's clearly because they don't get along with him. Countless people have stated that Naniwa is an oddball IRL. It's simple, if you don't like someone of course you are going to talk down their success.
xPliCt
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany143 Posts
April 27 2012 11:23 GMT
#44005
On April 27 2012 20:14 sereniity wrote:
Can someone post when they talk about Naniwa please?


Somewhere around 2:00:00 (not that exact)
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
April 27 2012 11:26 GMT
#44006
On April 27 2012 20:23 xPliCt wrote:
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On April 27 2012 20:14 sereniity wrote:
Can someone post when they talk about Naniwa please?


Somewhere around 2:00:00 (not that exact)


Yeah I found it at 2:05, thanks!
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 11:31:45
April 27 2012 11:26 GMT
#44007
On April 27 2012 19:42 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:40 FunnyPicture wrote:
Americans shitting on a european player.. What else is new. U jelly yanks?


lol people don't like nani not because he's swedish, it's because he acts like prick.


"prick" or just not caring much about playing the we-are-a-happy-family-game. yes, that can be seen as anti-social given the standards of the majority of people. it is anti-social in the strict sense of him prioritizing his game over everything else. it's not like he doesn't need other human beings to interact with. He seems to get along with the ST team pretty well, and misses no opportunity to thank them for hosting and helping him. He considers SaSe as one of his best friends, and bonded with Khaldor. And not to forget Artosis.

To put it blunt, he might be thinking "I'm here to win games, not make friends". In contrast to Stephano's "I want to have fun before I leave" and Sheth's "Let's all be happy". Since he obviously already has contacts that satisfy his social needs and/or are beneficial to his goals, any additional effort can be seen as distraction from the game. Sure it's a higher moral road to sustain a certain level of decency towards everybody. But from early childhood to adult work life, I reckon everybody has these acquaintances that they never really cared about. When I see somebody on the street I remotely know, I sometimes don't even bother to greet them. Should I? Or how happy I was to finally leave high school and its unnecessary drama and closeness of the inner circle to finally meet a bunch of people that were interesting to me in the open world.

With things not being black and white, there are always varying levels of interaction one can deem worthy of investing. It is safe to assume that Naniwa is failing to gauge a productive balance. It also doesn't excuse his weak judgment of stepping on other's courtesy. I hope he grows in that department, but I certainly can understand him not wanting to participate in the giant circlejerk that is SC2. Especially given the mentality of "if you are not with us, you are against us"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 11:33:45
April 27 2012 11:31 GMT
#44008
On April 27 2012 16:28 xBenderx wrote:
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On April 27 2012 16:21 Jakkerr wrote:
On April 27 2012 16:14 mambar wrote:
On April 27 2012 15:48 Jakkerr wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:57 zefreak wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:39 Shaddar wrote:
On April 27 2012 12:58 zefreak wrote:
On April 27 2012 12:39 Opeasy wrote:
I must say you guys were way too harsh towards naniwa. Bullying is not cool, even if you are trying to be funny. Six (or five, thorzain said very little during this) of the biggest personalities in sc2 talking shit about one guy is not cool. I hope you will apologize ASAP!


What did they say? After hearing what MC had to say about him, as well as HuK, im really curious if I missed something.


What did MC and Huk have to say about him?


Well MC said he was BM and disrespectful in the MLG Arena interview, also laughed when Naniwa's ro8 result came up and said that Naniwa is always lucky because his opponents play horrible against him, and Huk agreed.


Huk saying something like that is hilarious.
The only times he got far in tournaments were when he got insanely easy opponents, which he gets quite a lot o.0

yeah the ONLY times were when his opponents were INSANELY easy.

these types of comments are so fucking absurd


go ahead and link me a tournament in which Huk got far where he didn't have a much easier run then the other guys.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando
:0000000000


stc has always struggled with consistency. the only surprising results there is beating hero and mkp. huks pvp has always done well against mc, who is a much better player. probab;y due to practising together.

On April 27 2012 20:16 jworld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 20:05 Resilient wrote:
Imo MC/HuK/Naniwa are almost carbon copies of each other. With each of them specialising in a separate matchup and each having a notable weakness in one too. Not sure how MC/HuK can call Naniwa lucky when they've had tournaments with nothing but PvZ(MC) and PvP(HuK). I think MC needs to get over Naniwa's probe rush "BM" and HuK needs to accept there are other foreigner protosses as good/or better than him. It's clearly all an ego thing from both of them.

It's clearly because they don't get along with him. Countless people have stated that Naniwa is an oddball IRL. It's simple, if you don't like someone of course you are going to talk down their success.


no, thats not true. i can see that naniwa would be hard to get a long with but trashing him in an interview makes people like huk and mc just as unlikable. when professional players put others success down to luck or whatever its just sad, anyone can find results of any player where they dont deserve a win, or got a surprising result. its pathetic to try and call out 1 player on that.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 11:51 GMT
#44009
On April 27 2012 20:31 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 16:28 xBenderx wrote:
On April 27 2012 16:21 Jakkerr wrote:
On April 27 2012 16:14 mambar wrote:
On April 27 2012 15:48 Jakkerr wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:57 zefreak wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:39 Shaddar wrote:
On April 27 2012 12:58 zefreak wrote:
On April 27 2012 12:39 Opeasy wrote:
I must say you guys were way too harsh towards naniwa. Bullying is not cool, even if you are trying to be funny. Six (or five, thorzain said very little during this) of the biggest personalities in sc2 talking shit about one guy is not cool. I hope you will apologize ASAP!


What did they say? After hearing what MC had to say about him, as well as HuK, im really curious if I missed something.


What did MC and Huk have to say about him?


Well MC said he was BM and disrespectful in the MLG Arena interview, also laughed when Naniwa's ro8 result came up and said that Naniwa is always lucky because his opponents play horrible against him, and Huk agreed.


Huk saying something like that is hilarious.
The only times he got far in tournaments were when he got insanely easy opponents, which he gets quite a lot o.0

yeah the ONLY times were when his opponents were INSANELY easy.

these types of comments are so fucking absurd


go ahead and link me a tournament in which Huk got far where he didn't have a much easier run then the other guys.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando
:0000000000


stc has always struggled with consistency. the only surprising results there is beating hero and mkp. huks pvp has always done well against mc, who is a much better player. probab;y due to practising together.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 20:16 jworld wrote:
On April 27 2012 20:05 Resilient wrote:
Imo MC/HuK/Naniwa are almost carbon copies of each other. With each of them specialising in a separate matchup and each having a notable weakness in one too. Not sure how MC/HuK can call Naniwa lucky when they've had tournaments with nothing but PvZ(MC) and PvP(HuK). I think MC needs to get over Naniwa's probe rush "BM" and HuK needs to accept there are other foreigner protosses as good/or better than him. It's clearly all an ego thing from both of them.

It's clearly because they don't get along with him. Countless people have stated that Naniwa is an oddball IRL. It's simple, if you don't like someone of course you are going to talk down their success.


no, thats not true. i can see that naniwa would be hard to get a long with but trashing him in an interview makes people like huk and mc just as unlikable. when professional players put others success down to luck or whatever its just sad, anyone can find results of any player where they dont deserve a win, or got a surprising result. its pathetic to try and call out 1 player on that.


Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this.


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xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
April 27 2012 11:59 GMT
#44010
It was indeed one of the best episodes so far, would been the best if Sean had been there when they talked about the BW stuff imo...
I only wish this show to be consistently again, love the show keep it up guys!
Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
April 27 2012 13:39 GMT
#44011

Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this.


Even if Naniwa is an ass, there is no need to lower to his level. Also, I feel like Naniwa has been trying lately to be a bit more subtle about it. I mean, this harsh, direct side is also a part of his personality and I think that people are calling him out on it far too hard. Disagree with his behavior, but send him a mail or something, don't start ripping on him on air.

I really did not expect this from InControl. Especially since a couple of episodes ago he said he was giving Naniwa advice on how to act in public. And usually at least when he is harsh, it serves a function (Humor), but now, meh, there was nothing enjoyable about that part of the show.
Master_Blaster
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom269 Posts
April 27 2012 13:48 GMT
#44012
Naniwa is a legit player and a better and better human being. People should stop being so hursh on him.

MC loves Huk and is easy to share his opinion. Huk is just jelly.

Idra should look in the mirror from time to time because he might see a Naniwa in there.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
April 27 2012 13:52 GMT
#44013
I admit I giggled when ThorZain said "To get a desk? Big investment?" in the discussion about MLG arena. It would've been even better if he had added something like "You know I'm from IKEA-land right?".
Such flammable little insects!
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
April 27 2012 13:58 GMT
#44014
Who fucking cares if Naniwa is an asshole, it's not like we're in kindergarten where everybody has to hold hands, god I hate how everybody is expected to be little choir girl prisses, grow the fuck up people, everyones personality is different.
SupeR z
Profile Joined February 2012
United States73 Posts
April 27 2012 14:22 GMT
#44015
as a huge Steelers fan ...

I would never expect a jerome bettis reference on SOTG

major props incontrol
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 27 2012 14:28 GMT
#44016
On April 27 2012 22:39 Domus wrote:
Show nested quote +

Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this.


Even if Naniwa is an ass, there is no need to lower to his level. Also, I feel like Naniwa has been trying lately to be a bit more subtle about it. I mean, this harsh, direct side is also a part of his personality and I think that people are calling him out on it far too hard. Disagree with his behavior, but send him a mail or something, don't start ripping on him on air.

I really did not expect this from InControl. Especially since a couple of episodes ago he said he was giving Naniwa advice on how to act in public. And usually at least when he is harsh, it serves a function (Humor), but now, meh, there was nothing enjoyable about that part of the show.

Regardless of whether it was unfair bullying or whatever, I found it pretty funny, particularly the 2GD story.


I have to say, I find it very strange that people are somehow criticising SotG for criticising Naniwa with the "Not everyone has to be nice!" argument. If that's the case, SotG did nothing wrong anyway.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
April 27 2012 14:29 GMT
#44017
Dunno if this has been pointed out so far but my main issue with the production of SotG right now is Incontrol's mic. The fact that his webcam is blurry doesn't really impact me but his mic's general sound quality is pretty bad, and on top of that if others speak (or laugh) while he is saying something, the sound from Geoff's mic goes out completely. It's quite annoying especially when he's making jokes etc.

Anyways, great show, looking forward to the next one
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
April 27 2012 14:36 GMT
#44018
On April 27 2012 22:39 Domus wrote:
Show nested quote +

Why is it hard for you to understand that Naniwa is just a dick in real life? There's so many players/personalities who have attested to this (Idra, Incontrol, 2GD, Huk, MC, Painuser, Sjow, Complexity employees, MVP employees, Dignitas Employees, Wolf, Hellspawn). He is just a guy who lacks even the most basic of social graces. If you want to like him anyway because of his ability at Starcraft then go for it, but the massive, overwhelming evidence of people who, unlike you, actually know him makes it really, really clear that he is just an ass outside of the game. I don't know why you're attempting to deny this.


Even if Naniwa is an ass, there is no need to lower to his level. Also, I feel like Naniwa has been trying lately to be a bit more subtle about it. I mean, this harsh, direct side is also a part of his personality and I think that people are calling him out on it far too hard. Disagree with his behavior, but send him a mail or something, don't start ripping on him on air.

I really did not expect this from InControl. Especially since a couple of episodes ago he said he was giving Naniwa advice on how to act in public. And usually at least when he is harsh, it serves a function (Humor), but now, meh, there was nothing enjoyable about that part of the show.

What do you mean with "lately"? You just heard that he was being stupid in Dreamhack with several people.

And what else do you expect from Incontrol? He said that he had to block(?) Naniwa on Twitter because he was being harassed from him.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
April 27 2012 14:41 GMT
#44019
i find these naniwa stories really funny and doesnt make him anymore dislikable then before.
Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
April 27 2012 15:00 GMT
#44020
On April 27 2012 23:36 Hardigan wrote:
What do you mean with "lately"? You just heard that he was being stupid in Dreamhack with several people.

And what else do you expect from Incontrol? He said that he had to block(?) Naniwa on Twitter because he was being harassed from him.


I dunno, I guess lately is a broad term :p. It is actually funny that he had to block him, now I am curious what Naniwa said to InControl to get blocked ^.^.
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