On April 02 2012 17:17 Aterons_toss wrote: I really wish the show you return to a weekly basis sc2 show with calls and all like ITG :p
I really don't like it when they take calls. It has potential to be interesting, but more often than not is just awkward, or flat bad, or "maybe if i did drugs this person would be funny while he trolls the call singing father abraham".
I do like the format of making a reddit thread and letting people post questions and then taking the most upvoted ones; even that's sort of flawed though, because people have downvoting parties on eachother hoping their shitty question will go up.
Yeah I'm totally with you. I like fan questions through twitter or a thread, but call in questions drive me crazy. 60%-70% the questions are dumb or the person rambles to ask the question. I just can't take it. It's worst when you have to stare at the hosts listening to the caller too like on CSPAN.
This is just me being curious, but can they not set up some kind of caller screening process?
On April 02 2012 17:17 Aterons_toss wrote: I really wish the show you return to a weekly basis sc2 show with calls and all like ITG :p
I really don't like it when they take calls. It has potential to be interesting, but more often than not is just awkward, or flat bad, or "maybe if i did drugs this person would be funny while he trolls the call singing father abraham".
I do like the format of making a reddit thread and letting people post questions and then taking the most upvoted ones; even that's sort of flawed though, because people have downvoting parties on eachother hoping their shitty question will go up.
Yeah I'm totally with you. I like fan questions through twitter or a thread, but call in questions drive me crazy. 60%-70% the questions are dumb or the person rambles to ask the question. I just can't take it. It's worst when you have to stare at the hosts listening to the caller too like on CSPAN.
This is just me being curious, but can they not set up some kind of caller screening process?
um. if they talked to people before hand and said, "okay hey you call in and we'll make sure to pick up for you" yeah, but...how to go about doing that best and how it's different from just "hey what's your question we'll just ask it for you"... i really don't know.
On April 02 2012 17:17 Aterons_toss wrote: I really wish the show you return to a weekly basis sc2 show with calls and all like ITG :p
I really don't like it when they take calls. It has potential to be interesting, but more often than not is just awkward, or flat bad, or "maybe if i did drugs this person would be funny while he trolls the call singing father abraham".
I do like the format of making a reddit thread and letting people post questions and then taking the most upvoted ones; even that's sort of flawed though, because people have downvoting parties on eachother hoping their shitty question will go up.
Yeah I'm totally with you. I like fan questions through twitter or a thread, but call in questions drive me crazy. 60%-70% the questions are dumb or the person rambles to ask the question. I just can't take it. It's worst when you have to stare at the hosts listening to the caller too like on CSPAN.
This is just me being curious, but can they not set up some kind of caller screening process?
normal people ask boring questions so it wouldn't matter.
On April 03 2012 04:01 Jutranjo wrote: Call-ins aren't preferable to gmail/twitter/IRC/chat user submitted questions. I'd rather have the hosts talk more and the questions being read.
I second this. Hearing a random nerd's voice does nothing for me.
On April 03 2012 04:01 Jutranjo wrote: Call-ins aren't preferable to gmail/twitter/IRC/chat user submitted questions. I'd rather have the hosts talk more and the questions being read.
I second this. Hearing a random nerd's voice does nothing for me.
But the random nerds can brag about having been on SotG!
Plus the reactions to the more....funny voices is always worth it
On March 31 2012 08:01 killerdog wrote: Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
- Incontrol is sponsored by kingston, and at every pax event at least one eg player, often incontrol, has been at the kingston booth. It's obviously part of their contract. Now which is the better decision, get to play in an open bracket full of code s koreans and most likely lose quite early, with maby 2-3 games streamed if you lucky, or go to pax and work with fans and sponsors, + host a talk show. Which one gives incontrol the best pr/money...
Players are in no way obligated to play in every tournament if they have some other thing they could do where they make more money/get more pr, especially for a community figure like incontrol, so going to pax is not only best for him, as he gets more attention, btu best for eg, as they keep sponsorship with kingston + get more "eg" air time from incontrol.
(also artosis is being sponsored by kingston in the conteset which was advertised on tl so its not like he flew all the way to america just to do a state of the game, he's also doing fan related things)
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Why should he be obligated to fly out to a tournament just to do a 1-2 hour show for a company he has nothing to do with? Whats in it for him?
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
same as day9, Why should he be obligated to fly out to an event which he has no realtion to, carry out a 1-2 our long show for their benefit, which they will probably gain money from, just because if he does it at pax instead, mlg looks like an evil mastermind?
At the end of the day, would you rather there wasn't a state of the game at all then at pax? surely the community is best when there are events all over the place competing, they did a sotg at pax last time, so why not again?
That's the whole problem with SC2 journalism. There is not 1 neutral Sc2 journalist out there that is well known. In the current state we only have lemmings running in a Berlusconi'esque system.
Pretty much all of the figures in such formats are trapped in this Berlusconi-system. They profit from it, so why change it? Jp and Wheat the most well know hosts for such "Journalistic" formats are paid by MLG. They get travel paid, casts paid, ... No way in hell they are objective. Even if they try to, its just not possible. Artosis and day9 is pretty much the same situation. They profit from tournament organizers that hire them. No way in hell they talk bad about such tournaments. INcontrol sees his future in esports. He says it all the time, and he bahaves like it. He would rather insult his viewers, than a tournament organizer.
Only ones left are IdrA and Nony. Since Nony never watches any torunaments or anythign else, hes out.. IdrA is nice. He sometimes "overreacts" but at least he is honest.
I still like those shows, 90% of what they do is awesome, but those 10% of "non-objectivity" just sucks, and you should work on it. I remember when they did talk about IEM Sao Paulo, it was JP say that those "winning ceremonies" at IEM suck etc etc etc etc. Then at Winter Arena, with the most awekwards finals ever, and no winning ceremony at all.. this wasnt even a big concern.
If you guys had the same critizism for every event that you have for IEM events, the show would be 99% awesome. unfortunately that not possible when you get paid by those other events
i get paid for every event i place in and every event i cast for, those comments were made about iem cuz iem is the event that had those problems. if mlg put us up in a shit hotel or ipl didnt have food for players at their event youd hear us bitching about it just as loud. but they dont.
I agree that IEM deserved to be criticised in that point. I WANT you to critizise stuff. When i watched the SOTG after the PPV Announcement i stopped watching after EVERYONE of you said: "Well i saw it [PPV] coming, they have to try out different business models".. blablabla. This is what every politician says about every thing. Not even 1 says "It SUCKS that MLG excludes over 50% of the viewers..etc etc". There is SO much to critizise about, but well, you are all MLG employees (of want to be in the future). I'm not saying that you should be against PPV and hate MLG for it, but at least talk about the negative effects. This was a too important topic to just say those standard phrases, and go to the next topic. (At least SirScoots did a good job on LO3).
Same goes for all the "small" things. JP always finds such "smal" things in IEM events and says "For all of you saying that I say this because im an MLG employee: FUCK YOU". Well, ever thought that there might be a bit of truth in those statements? I personally have never seen JP talk bad or critizise anything MLG related, exept the extented series (which is such a thing like the IEM incident, you cannot ignore it. he even smartly transformed into some kind of joke.. bob nelson blabla).
We, the viewers that could not attend such events, want to experience them through YOU. With your cool stories and critizisms we can imagine how it was. We can compare you memories with the experiences we made watching those events. And its just getting boring when all you say about MLG related (and other events) stuff is "Its awesome, it was the best event, the best production, blablabla." Im starting to get doubts about this "perfect world". I agree that ALL those events are 90% AWESOME, because its Starcraft and it is just awesome what you all do for us. But we also want to know the "bad" 10%. We are not little childs, we can take the truth!
On March 31 2012 08:01 killerdog wrote: Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
- Incontrol is sponsored by kingston, and at every pax event at least one eg player, often incontrol, has been at the kingston booth. It's obviously part of their contract. Now which is the better decision, get to play in an open bracket full of code s koreans and most likely lose quite early, with maby 2-3 games streamed if you lucky, or go to pax and work with fans and sponsors, + host a talk show. Which one gives incontrol the best pr/money...
Players are in no way obligated to play in every tournament if they have some other thing they could do where they make more money/get more pr, especially for a community figure like incontrol, so going to pax is not only best for him, as he gets more attention, btu best for eg, as they keep sponsorship with kingston + get more "eg" air time from incontrol.
(also artosis is being sponsored by kingston in the conteset which was advertised on tl so its not like he flew all the way to america just to do a state of the game, he's also doing fan related things)
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Why should he be obligated to fly out to a tournament just to do a 1-2 hour show for a company he has nothing to do with? Whats in it for him?
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
same as day9, Why should he be obligated to fly out to an event which he has no realtion to, carry out a 1-2 our long show for their benefit, which they will probably gain money from, just because if he does it at pax instead, mlg looks like an evil mastermind?
At the end of the day, would you rather there wasn't a state of the game at all then at pax? surely the community is best when there are events all over the place competing, they did a sotg at pax last time, so why not again?
That's the whole problem with SC2 journalism. There is not 1 neutral Sc2 journalist out there that is well known. In the current state we only have lemmings running in a Berlusconi'esque system.
Pretty much all of the figures in such formats are trapped in this Berlusconi-system. They profit from it, so why change it? Jp and Wheat the most well know hosts for such "Journalistic" formats are paid by MLG. They get travel paid, casts paid, ... No way in hell they are objective. Even if they try to, its just not possible. Artosis and day9 is pretty much the same situation. They profit from tournament organizers that hire them. No way in hell they talk bad about such tournaments. INcontrol sees his future in esports. He says it all the time, and he bahaves like it. He would rather insult his viewers, than a tournament organizer.
Only ones left are IdrA and Nony. Since Nony never watches any torunaments or anythign else, hes out.. IdrA is nice. He sometimes "overreacts" but at least he is honest.
I still like those shows, 90% of what they do is awesome, but those 10% of "non-objectivity" just sucks, and you should work on it. I remember when they did talk about IEM Sao Paulo, it was JP say that those "winning ceremonies" at IEM suck etc etc etc etc. Then at Winter Arena, with the most awekwards finals ever, and no winning ceremony at all.. this wasnt even a big concern.
If you guys had the same critizism for every event that you have for IEM events, the show would be 99% awesome. unfortunately that not possible when you get paid by those other events
i get paid for every event i place in and every event i cast for, those comments were made about iem cuz iem is the event that had those problems. if mlg put us up in a shit hotel or ipl didnt have food for players at their event youd hear us bitching about it just as loud. but they dont.
I agree that IEM deserved to be criticised in that point. I WANT you to critizise stuff. When i watched the SOTG after the PPV Announcement i stopped watching after EVERYONE of you said: "Well i saw it [PPV] coming, they have to try out different business models".. blablabla. This is what every politician says about every thing. Not even 1 says "It SUCKS that MLG excludes over 50% of the viewers..etc etc". There is SO much to critizise about, but well, you are all MLG employees (of want to be in the future). I'm not saying that you should be against PPV and hate MLG for it, but at least talk about the negative effects. This was a too important topic to just say those standard phrases, and go to the next topic. (At least SirScoots did a good job on LO3).
Same goes for all the "small" things. JP always finds such "smal" things in IEM events and says "For all of you saying that I say this because im an MLG employee: FUCK YOU". Well, ever thought that there might be a bit of truth in those statements? I personally have never seen JP talk bad or critizise anything MLG related, exept the extented series (which is such a thing like the IEM incident, you cannot ignore it. he even smartly transformed into some kind of joke.. bob nelson blabla).
We, the viewers that could not attend such events, want to experience them through YOU. With your cool stories and critizisms we can imagine how it was. We can compare you memories with the experiences we made watching those events. And its just getting boring when all you say about MLG related (and other events) stuff is "Its awesome, it was the best event, the best production, blablabla." Im starting to get doubts about this "perfect world". I agree that ALL those events are 90% AWESOME, because its Starcraft and it is just awesome what you all do for us. But we also want to know the "bad" 10%. We are not little childs, we can take the truth!
They don't all always praise on MLG. Maybe there is a few more positives on MLG because it's possible that MLG does it a little bit better? JP has stated that obviously he won't bad mouth the company that he works for(who would). He never prasies them either. He just asks them the questions and he doesn't normally give an opinion. Hell, He even asks them what MLG did wrong so they can attempt to correct it. He asks for the negatives and they tell him the negatives. Just by asking the question your argument done.
The John Nelson joke isn't a joke either...it actually is John Nelson. So there really was no joke there. You are very bad at quoting since you include BLAHBLAHBLAH.
You're hating on nothing since they always say what goes well and bad. Also, MLG no longer sponsers SOTG therefor only JP is an employee there so I have no idea what you're talking about. It feels like you havn't watched the last like 30 episodes.
A lot of these arguments on this quotation doesn't make sense. Like the winning ceremony one. How can you compare an event that has a live audience(large one too) to an event that has no audience.... You can't compare those events if you're going to talk about winning ceremonies.
On March 31 2012 08:01 killerdog wrote: Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
- Incontrol is sponsored by kingston, and at every pax event at least one eg player, often incontrol, has been at the kingston booth. It's obviously part of their contract. Now which is the better decision, get to play in an open bracket full of code s koreans and most likely lose quite early, with maby 2-3 games streamed if you lucky, or go to pax and work with fans and sponsors, + host a talk show. Which one gives incontrol the best pr/money...
Players are in no way obligated to play in every tournament if they have some other thing they could do where they make more money/get more pr, especially for a community figure like incontrol, so going to pax is not only best for him, as he gets more attention, btu best for eg, as they keep sponsorship with kingston + get more "eg" air time from incontrol.
(also artosis is being sponsored by kingston in the conteset which was advertised on tl so its not like he flew all the way to america just to do a state of the game, he's also doing fan related things)
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Why should he be obligated to fly out to a tournament just to do a 1-2 hour show for a company he has nothing to do with? Whats in it for him?
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
same as day9, Why should he be obligated to fly out to an event which he has no realtion to, carry out a 1-2 our long show for their benefit, which they will probably gain money from, just because if he does it at pax instead, mlg looks like an evil mastermind?
At the end of the day, would you rather there wasn't a state of the game at all then at pax? surely the community is best when there are events all over the place competing, they did a sotg at pax last time, so why not again?
That's the whole problem with SC2 journalism. There is not 1 neutral Sc2 journalist out there that is well known. In the current state we only have lemmings running in a Berlusconi'esque system.
Pretty much all of the figures in such formats are trapped in this Berlusconi-system. They profit from it, so why change it? Jp and Wheat the most well know hosts for such "Journalistic" formats are paid by MLG. They get travel paid, casts paid, ... No way in hell they are objective. Even if they try to, its just not possible. Artosis and day9 is pretty much the same situation. They profit from tournament organizers that hire them. No way in hell they talk bad about such tournaments. INcontrol sees his future in esports. He says it all the time, and he bahaves like it. He would rather insult his viewers, than a tournament organizer.
Only ones left are IdrA and Nony. Since Nony never watches any torunaments or anythign else, hes out.. IdrA is nice. He sometimes "overreacts" but at least he is honest.
I still like those shows, 90% of what they do is awesome, but those 10% of "non-objectivity" just sucks, and you should work on it. I remember when they did talk about IEM Sao Paulo, it was JP say that those "winning ceremonies" at IEM suck etc etc etc etc. Then at Winter Arena, with the most awekwards finals ever, and no winning ceremony at all.. this wasnt even a big concern.
If you guys had the same critizism for every event that you have for IEM events, the show would be 99% awesome. unfortunately that not possible when you get paid by those other events
i get paid for every event i place in and every event i cast for, those comments were made about iem cuz iem is the event that had those problems. if mlg put us up in a shit hotel or ipl didnt have food for players at their event youd hear us bitching about it just as loud. but they dont.
I agree that IEM deserved to be criticised in that point. I WANT you to critizise stuff. When i watched the SOTG after the PPV Announcement i stopped watching after EVERYONE of you said: "Well i saw it [PPV] coming, they have to try out different business models".. blablabla. This is what every politician says about every thing. Not even 1 says "It SUCKS that MLG excludes over 50% of the viewers..etc etc". There is SO much to critizise about, but well, you are all MLG employees (of want to be in the future). I'm not saying that you should be against PPV and hate MLG for it, but at least talk about the negative effects. This was a too important topic to just say those standard phrases, and go to the next topic. (At least SirScoots did a good job on LO3).
Same goes for all the "small" things. JP always finds such "smal" things in IEM events and says "For all of you saying that I say this because im an MLG employee: FUCK YOU". Well, ever thought that there might be a bit of truth in those statements? I personally have never seen JP talk bad or critizise anything MLG related, exept the extented series (which is such a thing like the IEM incident, you cannot ignore it. he even smartly transformed into some kind of joke.. bob nelson blabla).
We, the viewers that could not attend such events, want to experience them through YOU. With your cool stories and critizisms we can imagine how it was. We can compare you memories with the experiences we made watching those events. And its just getting boring when all you say about MLG related (and other events) stuff is "Its awesome, it was the best event, the best production, blablabla." Im starting to get doubts about this "perfect world". I agree that ALL those events are 90% AWESOME, because its Starcraft and it is just awesome what you all do for us. But we also want to know the "bad" 10%. We are not little childs, we can take the truth!
They don't all always praise on MLG. Maybe there is a few more positives on MLG because it's possible that MLG does it a little bit better? JP has stated that obviously he won't bad mouth the company that he works for(who would). He never prasies them either. He just asks them the questions and he doesn't normally give an opinion. Hell, He even asks them what MLG did wrong so they can attempt to correct it. He asks for the negatives and they tell him the negatives. Just by asking the question your argument done.
The John Nelson joke isn't a joke either...it actually is John Nelson. So there really was no joke there. You are very bad at quoting since you include BLAHBLAHBLAH.
You're hating on nothing since they always say what goes well and bad. Also, MLG no longer sponsers SOTG therefor only JP is an employee there so I have no idea what you're talking about. It feels like you havn't watched the last like 30 episodes.
A lot of these arguments on this quotation doesn't make sense. Like the winning ceremony one. How can you compare an event that has a live audience(large one too) to an event that has no audience.... You can't compare those events if you're going to talk about winning ceremonies.
you're straw-manning to take away from his main point. but it's okay because the people at every level defending themselves or the people they want to stand up for do the same thing in our community or just blatantly deny what's being said.
but that's okay because his main point doesn't actually matter. Okay, state of the game is biased. That's not going to change. at all. the answer has ranged from, "of course we're fucking biased about some things, we don't want to be pigeonholed out of the industry or fired" to, "we're not biased if bla bla bla did come up it would be mentioned". Sure you can argue "well that's bullshit no you wouldn't", but if the end point is "they're biased" and you know "they're biased"...why are you still arguing? what are you expecting from a non-independent show?
everyone in this industry is tied to the industry; there is no independent journalism, and it won't be supported by the industry itself or frankly by the community either. and more importantly, that's not what state of the game is or has ever pretended to be.
I can understand mixing up criticism and constructive feedback. I can understand the people on the receiving end mixing them up. I can understand being unhappy with the current schedule, or with the lack of any semblance of a schedule. I can understand being unhappy with the lack of a consistent cast, especially when you can't directly see an effort being made and can't actually see the excuses and reasons they give being true or not because there's no actual proof other than their own words. I can get that. I can even understand being upset that some of the people on the show have a blatant disregard for their own bias from time to time or that they come into this thread posting things in a really unprofessional manner and making an ass out of themselves, and I can understand you (everyone) being frustrated and taking it out in this thread making an ass out of yourselves (myself included I'm sure).
What I don't get though, is what the you're actually bitching about. It's the same shows it's been. If you don't like it, and didn't like it, don't watch it. It's like a breakup with a shitty girlfriend; it might suck, but bitching about it isn't actually going to fix it. If the core issue is really that you're just venting frustration because the show isn't regular with everyone like it used to be basically every to every other week...deal with it. Fuck. I mean really, fuck. It sucks to not have the regular awesome three hour show I've been accustomed to. I genuinely really don't like it, especially when I watch a show and there's some fluffy filler shit for an hour. But it's because it's not the normal show with the normal five people. And until the normal show is here, assuming there is one again regularly at all (though frankly with all the bitching i don't know why there would be), that's really the best they can do and the best there's going to be, with the alternative just being no shows. So...deal. Fuck. If you have constructive feedback to give, give it; but if you're not intelligent enough to air your grievances in a way that can be distinguished from pure bitching, I don't know what you're hoping to accomplish.
On March 31 2012 08:01 killerdog wrote: Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
- Incontrol is sponsored by kingston, and at every pax event at least one eg player, often incontrol, has been at the kingston booth. It's obviously part of their contract. Now which is the better decision, get to play in an open bracket full of code s koreans and most likely lose quite early, with maby 2-3 games streamed if you lucky, or go to pax and work with fans and sponsors, + host a talk show. Which one gives incontrol the best pr/money...
Players are in no way obligated to play in every tournament if they have some other thing they could do where they make more money/get more pr, especially for a community figure like incontrol, so going to pax is not only best for him, as he gets more attention, btu best for eg, as they keep sponsorship with kingston + get more "eg" air time from incontrol.
(also artosis is being sponsored by kingston in the conteset which was advertised on tl so its not like he flew all the way to america just to do a state of the game, he's also doing fan related things)
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Why should he be obligated to fly out to a tournament just to do a 1-2 hour show for a company he has nothing to do with? Whats in it for him?
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
same as day9, Why should he be obligated to fly out to an event which he has no realtion to, carry out a 1-2 our long show for their benefit, which they will probably gain money from, just because if he does it at pax instead, mlg looks like an evil mastermind?
At the end of the day, would you rather there wasn't a state of the game at all then at pax? surely the community is best when there are events all over the place competing, they did a sotg at pax last time, so why not again?
That's the whole problem with SC2 journalism. There is not 1 neutral Sc2 journalist out there that is well known. In the current state we only have lemmings running in a Berlusconi'esque system.
Pretty much all of the figures in such formats are trapped in this Berlusconi-system. They profit from it, so why change it? Jp and Wheat the most well know hosts for such "Journalistic" formats are paid by MLG. They get travel paid, casts paid, ... No way in hell they are objective. Even if they try to, its just not possible. Artosis and day9 is pretty much the same situation. They profit from tournament organizers that hire them. No way in hell they talk bad about such tournaments. INcontrol sees his future in esports. He says it all the time, and he bahaves like it. He would rather insult his viewers, than a tournament organizer.
Only ones left are IdrA and Nony. Since Nony never watches any torunaments or anythign else, hes out.. IdrA is nice. He sometimes "overreacts" but at least he is honest.
I still like those shows, 90% of what they do is awesome, but those 10% of "non-objectivity" just sucks, and you should work on it. I remember when they did talk about IEM Sao Paulo, it was JP say that those "winning ceremonies" at IEM suck etc etc etc etc. Then at Winter Arena, with the most awekwards finals ever, and no winning ceremony at all.. this wasnt even a big concern.
If you guys had the same critizism for every event that you have for IEM events, the show would be 99% awesome. unfortunately that not possible when you get paid by those other events
i get paid for every event i place in and every event i cast for, those comments were made about iem cuz iem is the event that had those problems. if mlg put us up in a shit hotel or ipl didnt have food for players at their event youd hear us bitching about it just as loud. but they dont.
I agree that IEM deserved to be criticised in that point. I WANT you to critizise stuff. When i watched the SOTG after the PPV Announcement i stopped watching after EVERYONE of you said: "Well i saw it [PPV] coming, they have to try out different business models".. blablabla. This is what every politician says about every thing. Not even 1 says "It SUCKS that MLG excludes over 50% of the viewers..etc etc". There is SO much to critizise about, but well, you are all MLG employees (of want to be in the future). I'm not saying that you should be against PPV and hate MLG for it, but at least talk about the negative effects. This was a too important topic to just say those standard phrases, and go to the next topic. (At least SirScoots did a good job on LO3).
Same goes for all the "small" things. JP always finds such "smal" things in IEM events and says "For all of you saying that I say this because im an MLG employee: FUCK YOU". Well, ever thought that there might be a bit of truth in those statements? I personally have never seen JP talk bad or critizise anything MLG related, exept the extented series (which is such a thing like the IEM incident, you cannot ignore it. he even smartly transformed into some kind of joke.. bob nelson blabla).
We, the viewers that could not attend such events, want to experience them through YOU. With your cool stories and critizisms we can imagine how it was. We can compare you memories with the experiences we made watching those events. And its just getting boring when all you say about MLG related (and other events) stuff is "Its awesome, it was the best event, the best production, blablabla." Im starting to get doubts about this "perfect world". I agree that ALL those events are 90% AWESOME, because its Starcraft and it is just awesome what you all do for us. But we also want to know the "bad" 10%. We are not little childs, we can take the truth!
They don't all always praise on MLG. Maybe there is a few more positives on MLG because it's possible that MLG does it a little bit better? JP has stated that obviously he won't bad mouth the company that he works for(who would). He never prasies them either. He just asks them the questions and he doesn't normally give an opinion. Hell, He even asks them what MLG did wrong so they can attempt to correct it. He asks for the negatives and they tell him the negatives. Just by asking the question your argument done.
The John Nelson joke isn't a joke either...it actually is John Nelson. So there really was no joke there. You are very bad at quoting since you include BLAHBLAHBLAH.
You're hating on nothing since they always say what goes well and bad. Also, MLG no longer sponsers SOTG therefor only JP is an employee there so I have no idea what you're talking about. It feels like you havn't watched the last like 30 episodes.
A lot of these arguments on this quotation doesn't make sense. Like the winning ceremony one. How can you compare an event that has a live audience(large one too) to an event that has no audience.... You can't compare those events if you're going to talk about winning ceremonies.
Im not only talking about JP, if you read my previous post. And your wrong: Just asking the question about eventual negative sides doesnt make a show "objective". Vladimir Putin and Silvio Berlusconi probably also ask those questions, maybe they already can guess the answers? Just asking these questions doesnt mean there will be any answer. Especially when all the guests are lemmings from Putin and Berlusconi themselves. And yes JP does have an opinion, he is not "just" the interviewer. I'm not rewatching those episodes just to show you how much he likes to show his opinion.. "Shall we talk about the IEM groups, or just start talking about MLG, because thats much more awesome?" blablabla, yes blablalbla, because such comments come more often than you think.
I know this Nelson dude is responsible for the extended series, but JP and the others already use this phrase to make it appear ridiculous. Instead it should be sad that such a big tournament still, after such huge feedback, uses such a system. (Sorry for my bad english, but i think you know what i mean.)
And the argument that you cannot compare tournaments is just silly. Sure i can. I can compare the feelings i have when somebody wins a tournament. And this reaction of MKP of winning winter Arena made me ask why i watched this tourney. It seemed like nobody was intresed in that win, not even the casters. When ViOlet won Sao Paulo, i did not have such a "worthless" feeling inside of me. If your still not satisfied, compare it with any HSC tournament.
And again. im not here to hate. All im saying is, that its hard to establish an objective SC2 journalism when all the "journalists" get paid by the companies, which they should be objective of. In the beginning of SC2 I didnt mind, i was happy that SC2 was growing. But after 2 years.. i think it's time that objectivety comes into SC2 journalism. Hell, even the Italians notice nowadays that this "perfect world" of Berlusconi is just an imagination.
On March 31 2012 08:01 killerdog wrote: Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
- Incontrol is sponsored by kingston, and at every pax event at least one eg player, often incontrol, has been at the kingston booth. It's obviously part of their contract. Now which is the better decision, get to play in an open bracket full of code s koreans and most likely lose quite early, with maby 2-3 games streamed if you lucky, or go to pax and work with fans and sponsors, + host a talk show. Which one gives incontrol the best pr/money...
Players are in no way obligated to play in every tournament if they have some other thing they could do where they make more money/get more pr, especially for a community figure like incontrol, so going to pax is not only best for him, as he gets more attention, btu best for eg, as they keep sponsorship with kingston + get more "eg" air time from incontrol.
(also artosis is being sponsored by kingston in the conteset which was advertised on tl so its not like he flew all the way to america just to do a state of the game, he's also doing fan related things)
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Why should he be obligated to fly out to a tournament just to do a 1-2 hour show for a company he has nothing to do with? Whats in it for him?
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
same as day9, Why should he be obligated to fly out to an event which he has no realtion to, carry out a 1-2 our long show for their benefit, which they will probably gain money from, just because if he does it at pax instead, mlg looks like an evil mastermind?
At the end of the day, would you rather there wasn't a state of the game at all then at pax? surely the community is best when there are events all over the place competing, they did a sotg at pax last time, so why not again?
That's the whole problem with SC2 journalism. There is not 1 neutral Sc2 journalist out there that is well known. In the current state we only have lemmings running in a Berlusconi'esque system.
Pretty much all of the figures in such formats are trapped in this Berlusconi-system. They profit from it, so why change it? Jp and Wheat the most well know hosts for such "Journalistic" formats are paid by MLG. They get travel paid, casts paid, ... No way in hell they are objective. Even if they try to, its just not possible. Artosis and day9 is pretty much the same situation. They profit from tournament organizers that hire them. No way in hell they talk bad about such tournaments. INcontrol sees his future in esports. He says it all the time, and he bahaves like it. He would rather insult his viewers, than a tournament organizer.
Only ones left are IdrA and Nony. Since Nony never watches any torunaments or anythign else, hes out.. IdrA is nice. He sometimes "overreacts" but at least he is honest.
I still like those shows, 90% of what they do is awesome, but those 10% of "non-objectivity" just sucks, and you should work on it. I remember when they did talk about IEM Sao Paulo, it was JP say that those "winning ceremonies" at IEM suck etc etc etc etc. Then at Winter Arena, with the most awekwards finals ever, and no winning ceremony at all.. this wasnt even a big concern.
If you guys had the same critizism for every event that you have for IEM events, the show would be 99% awesome. unfortunately that not possible when you get paid by those other events
i get paid for every event i place in and every event i cast for, those comments were made about iem cuz iem is the event that had those problems. if mlg put us up in a shit hotel or ipl didnt have food for players at their event youd hear us bitching about it just as loud. but they dont.
I agree that IEM deserved to be criticised in that point. I WANT you to critizise stuff. When i watched the SOTG after the PPV Announcement i stopped watching after EVERYONE of you said: "Well i saw it [PPV] coming, they have to try out different business models".. blablabla. This is what every politician says about every thing. Not even 1 says "It SUCKS that MLG excludes over 50% of the viewers..etc etc". There is SO much to critizise about, but well, you are all MLG employees (of want to be in the future). I'm not saying that you should be against PPV and hate MLG for it, but at least talk about the negative effects. This was a too important topic to just say those standard phrases, and go to the next topic. (At least SirScoots did a good job on LO3).
Same goes for all the "small" things. JP always finds such "smal" things in IEM events and says "For all of you saying that I say this because im an MLG employee: FUCK YOU". Well, ever thought that there might be a bit of truth in those statements? I personally have never seen JP talk bad or critizise anything MLG related, exept the extented series (which is such a thing like the IEM incident, you cannot ignore it. he even smartly transformed into some kind of joke.. bob nelson blabla).
We, the viewers that could not attend such events, want to experience them through YOU. With your cool stories and critizisms we can imagine how it was. We can compare you memories with the experiences we made watching those events. And its just getting boring when all you say about MLG related (and other events) stuff is "Its awesome, it was the best event, the best production, blablabla." Im starting to get doubts about this "perfect world". I agree that ALL those events are 90% AWESOME, because its Starcraft and it is just awesome what you all do for us. But we also want to know the "bad" 10%. We are not little childs, we can take the truth!
They don't all always praise on MLG. Maybe there is a few more positives on MLG because it's possible that MLG does it a little bit better? JP has stated that obviously he won't bad mouth the company that he works for(who would). He never prasies them either. He just asks them the questions and he doesn't normally give an opinion. Hell, He even asks them what MLG did wrong so they can attempt to correct it. He asks for the negatives and they tell him the negatives. Just by asking the question your argument done.
The John Nelson joke isn't a joke either...it actually is John Nelson. So there really was no joke there. You are very bad at quoting since you include BLAHBLAHBLAH.
You're hating on nothing since they always say what goes well and bad. Also, MLG no longer sponsers SOTG therefor only JP is an employee there so I have no idea what you're talking about. It feels like you havn't watched the last like 30 episodes.
A lot of these arguments on this quotation doesn't make sense. Like the winning ceremony one. How can you compare an event that has a live audience(large one too) to an event that has no audience.... You can't compare those events if you're going to talk about winning ceremonies.
Im not only talking about JP, if you read my previous post. And your wrong: Just asking the question about eventual negative sides doesnt make a show "objective". Vladimir Putin and Silvio Berlusconi probably also ask those questions, maybe they already can guess the answers? Just asking these questions doesnt mean there will be any answer. Especially when all the guests are lemmings from Putin and Berlusconi themselves. And yes JP does have an opinion, he is not "just" the interviewer. I'm not rewatching those episodes just to show you how much he likes to show his opinion.. "Shall we talk about the IEM groups, or just start talking about MLG, because thats much more awesome?" blablabla, yes blablalbla, because such comments come more often than you think.
I know this Nelson dude is responsible for the extended series, but JP and the others already use this phrase to make it appear ridiculous. Instead it should be sad that such a big tournament still, after such huge feedback, uses such a system. (Sorry for my bad english, but i think you know what i mean.)
And the argument that you cannot compare tournaments is just silly. Sure i can. I can compare the feelings i have when somebody wins a tournament. And this reaction of MKP of winning winter Arena made me ask why i watched this tourney. It seemed like nobody was intresed in that win, not even the casters. When ViOlet won Sao Paulo, i did not have such a "worthless" feeling inside of me. If your still not satisfied, compare it with any HSC tournament.
And again. im not here to hate. All im saying is, that its hard to establish an objective SC2 journalism when all the "journalists" get paid by the companies, which they should be objective of. In the beginning of SC2 I didnt mind, i was happy that SC2 was growing. But after 2 years.. i think it's time that objectivety comes into SC2 journalism. Hell, even the Italians notice nowadays that this "perfect world" of Berlusconi is just an imagination.
I think that people get way to focused on the "objective" reporting issue, if there is an issue at all. Part of being informed about a specific subject it is knowing where the information is coming from. Every major news paper and network is owned by a larger company with its own objective. Sometimes the goals of reporting run directly opposed to the goals of the parent company and that causes issues. But as long as you are aware who pays who and why one news network many not be reporting on the story, people shouldn't have any issues.
I don't know what people really want with the whole objective journalism. It is not like we are not aware of who works for who and why they might not want to talk about a subject or tournament. JP has said that he does not comment on other tournaments as much because it works for MLG.
Reporting on things takes a lot of time and money, with little return for the investment. At best, you are well loved by the community. Personally, I think it would be awesome to report on Esports events and give write ups on how each is doing. But I have a full time job that I use to pay my bills and keep me feed. JP has that same issue and he has two options. A: work for MLG and have to deal with this issue, B: work for someone else, but be totally objective.
I would choose option A every day and twice on Sunday for good measure.
If you are watching SotG as a source of information the way you would by reading a newspaper, you are doing it wrong. None of the pillars are journalists or claim to be. They are pro players, casters, personalities. They are giving their opinion on events and topics that are discussed. You should never look at any of them as journalists and if you are, that is your mistake. Journalism has nothing to do with SotG. Its an entertainment show.
If you want objective journalism go to esfiworld.com They do great work, especially with the little resources they have. Objective journalism is there, people just don't read it.
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. I guess they are too busy with other stuff.
