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in my opinion, the waiting makes the show all the much better. suddenly finding out that SOTG is on tonight (sometimes 15 minutes before the start time) is like finding $20 in my pocket of old jeans. much love to the hosts <3
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On March 31 2012 05:14 Ichabod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:06 Defacer wrote:
SOTG Hosts:
I love the show but the irregularity of the schedule is really hurting it.
Absence makes the heart fonder. SOTG is like the girlscout cookies of the esports scene. If it was available all the time, it'd be boring. + Show Spoiler +j/k, i'd still watch if it were, but the concept of not knowing when the next show will air adds to the hype! I can imagine how difficult it must be to line up all the schedules; GL doing shows during back-to-back event season D:
I sympathize, but it's just crummy as a fan ... they really had a tremendous run, put in all this time and energy and developed an incredible fan base, it would be a shame if it just dwindled ...
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On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL.
dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me.
As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why.
Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less.
Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax
I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG.
day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit.
Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected.
JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job.
Shit like this pisses me off
SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
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On March 31 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:
in my opinion, the waiting makes the show all the much better. suddenly finding out that SOTG is on tonight (sometimes 15 minutes before the start time) is like finding $20 in my pocket of old jeans. much love to the hosts <3
Gah, I'm an old man. I just don't have that kind of flexibilty. I'm busy too you know. 
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On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrag.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convensition , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
wow u mast have some serious inside sources that none of the rest of us have please continue to enlighten us
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SOTG is a great show, but it seems the group have priorities other than the show. Which is understandable, they are very busy people.
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On March 31 2012 03:49 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Of course I appreciate everyone who is writing understanding posts. Your patience and graciousness ease the pressure and increase the motivation for improving the show. Thanks!
The view numbers and interest speaks for itselfs, thousands and thousands of nerds love the show.
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On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
So much wrong in this post I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll lead off with this since it should correct the majority of your post.
SotG is independent from MLG and has been for months.
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man i was editing and checking and you replied already!
yes it was retarded
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On March 31 2012 05:51 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions. So much wrong in this post I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll lead off with this since it should correct the majority of your post. SotG is independent from MLG and has been for months.
That was probably the worst argument ever, so I hope you can keep on with pointing out where he is wrong.
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On March 31 2012 06:06 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:51 Charger wrote:On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions. So much wrong in this post I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll lead off with this since it should correct the majority of your post. SotG is independent from MLG and has been for months. That was probably the worst argument ever, so I hope you can keep on with pointing out where he is wrong.
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Do I really need to bold all the parts where he said or implied MLG/Sundance has something to do with SotG for you? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this thread wtf is happening
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On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
this post is so full of shit it makes me sick.
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On March 31 2012 03:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +Not because of ads, the popularity and spotlight from SotG the players get.
Directly translates into stream viewers, etc.
For all the talk about how free it is and how they do it just because they are THAT nice to us lower beings, it is basically part of how Nony and incontrol make their money. They don't win tournaments so they have to get by on fanboy-juice.
It should be clear by now that inc/nony are not contracted on their respective teams purely because of their sc2 results (any more). I know this might sound a bit like I'm bashing them, but I'm not. Their job is more being "community guys" or whatever you want to call it.
The show is free for the viewers, but that doesn't mean the pros don't gain anything from being on there. Really absurd line of thought... A guy gives you a gift because he wants to give it you and because he thinks you'll like it. You do like it and this act makes you like him. Then he gives you another gift that but you don't like it. You think he owes you a better gift because you decided to like him? Even if you gave him a gift in return it's still absurd to have such an expectation. Owing never comes into it. People do nice things for each other without expecting anything in return. The people receiving nice things should be gracious and if they are inspired to do nice things for people (including the person who did a nice thing for them) then they should do so on the same terms. This system is nice and pleasant as long as there aren't too many selfish people. When selfishness comes in, an economy comes in. The value of things are measured and things of equal value are traded or paid for with currency. This is not where SOTG is at right now and as long as it isn't, you ought to enjoy the pleasantness of people simply doing nice things for each other.
I think it's a little extreme to call it "absurd". For instance, I personally watch Incontrol's stream because of his contributions to SOTG and watch / pay for any event with Artosis casting so there is definitely indirect revenue from the show. People are disappointed when we don't get the weekly show we love when people like myself are making an effort to support its hosts. I don't consider it a "gift", it's a mutualistic relationship. If it was called a "gift" on the show i'd probably stop watching it.
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On March 31 2012 06:22 Prime Directive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:Not because of ads, the popularity and spotlight from SotG the players get.
Directly translates into stream viewers, etc.
For all the talk about how free it is and how they do it just because they are THAT nice to us lower beings, it is basically part of how Nony and incontrol make their money. They don't win tournaments so they have to get by on fanboy-juice.
It should be clear by now that inc/nony are not contracted on their respective teams purely because of their sc2 results (any more). I know this might sound a bit like I'm bashing them, but I'm not. Their job is more being "community guys" or whatever you want to call it.
The show is free for the viewers, but that doesn't mean the pros don't gain anything from being on there. Really absurd line of thought... A guy gives you a gift because he wants to give it you and because he thinks you'll like it. You do like it and this act makes you like him. Then he gives you another gift that but you don't like it. You think he owes you a better gift because you decided to like him? Even if you gave him a gift in return it's still absurd to have such an expectation. Owing never comes into it. People do nice things for each other without expecting anything in return. The people receiving nice things should be gracious and if they are inspired to do nice things for people (including the person who did a nice thing for them) then they should do so on the same terms. This system is nice and pleasant as long as there aren't too many selfish people. When selfishness comes in, an economy comes in. The value of things are measured and things of equal value are traded or paid for with currency. This is not where SOTG is at right now and as long as it isn't, you ought to enjoy the pleasantness of people simply doing nice things for each other. I think it's a little extreme to call it "absurd". For instance, I personally watch Incontrol's stream because of his contributions to SOTG and watch / pay for any event with Artosis casting so there is definitely indirect revenue from the show. People are disappointed when we don't get the weekly show we love when people like myself are making an effort to support its hosts. I don't consider it a "gift", it's a mutualistic relationship. If it was called a "gift" on the show i'd probably stop watching it.
Can you explain why it's not absurd? Both systems I described are forms of mutual relationships. Did you think being more vague by giving a classification of what I said would explain anything?
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On March 31 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:
in my opinion, the waiting makes the show all the much better. suddenly finding out that SOTG is on tonight (sometimes 15 minutes before the start time) is like finding $20 in my pocket of old jeans. much love to the hosts <3
That's actually a really good analogy, never considered that before but yeah it does make it better.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
This post is so full of baseless assertions, wild speculation and butthurtness. I would like to nominate this for 'General Chat Post of the Year.'
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On March 31 2012 06:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:22 Prime Directive wrote:On March 31 2012 03:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:Not because of ads, the popularity and spotlight from SotG the players get.
Directly translates into stream viewers, etc.
For all the talk about how free it is and how they do it just because they are THAT nice to us lower beings, it is basically part of how Nony and incontrol make their money. They don't win tournaments so they have to get by on fanboy-juice.
It should be clear by now that inc/nony are not contracted on their respective teams purely because of their sc2 results (any more). I know this might sound a bit like I'm bashing them, but I'm not. Their job is more being "community guys" or whatever you want to call it.
The show is free for the viewers, but that doesn't mean the pros don't gain anything from being on there. Really absurd line of thought... A guy gives you a gift because he wants to give it you and because he thinks you'll like it. You do like it and this act makes you like him. Then he gives you another gift that but you don't like it. You think he owes you a better gift because you decided to like him? Even if you gave him a gift in return it's still absurd to have such an expectation. Owing never comes into it. People do nice things for each other without expecting anything in return. The people receiving nice things should be gracious and if they are inspired to do nice things for people (including the person who did a nice thing for them) then they should do so on the same terms. This system is nice and pleasant as long as there aren't too many selfish people. When selfishness comes in, an economy comes in. The value of things are measured and things of equal value are traded or paid for with currency. This is not where SOTG is at right now and as long as it isn't, you ought to enjoy the pleasantness of people simply doing nice things for each other. I think it's a little extreme to call it "absurd". For instance, I personally watch Incontrol's stream because of his contributions to SOTG and watch / pay for any event with Artosis casting so there is definitely indirect revenue from the show. People are disappointed when we don't get the weekly show we love when people like myself are making an effort to support its hosts. I don't consider it a "gift", it's a mutualistic relationship. If it was called a "gift" on the show i'd probably stop watching it. Can you explain why it's not absurd? Both systems I described are forms of mutual relationships. Did you think being more vague by giving a classification of what I said would explain anything?
Hey Tyler what up=D. If I understand your post correctly you are saying that the viewers and the hosts both contribute to one another but it is not to the point where expectations from either party should exist. This is where I respectfully disagree as I feel a weekly show is what I've come to anticipate / expect for my support of the hosts which is what I believe the OP was trying to get at (although rudely) and what you were calling absurd.
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On March 31 2012 06:25 Rasun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:
in my opinion, the waiting makes the show all the much better. suddenly finding out that SOTG is on tonight (sometimes 15 minutes before the start time) is like finding $20 in my pocket of old jeans. much love to the hosts <3 That's actually a really good analogy, never considered that before but yeah it does make it better.
What do you like more though, finding $20 buck in a pocket, or getting that big monthly paycheck :p.
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On March 31 2012 05:18 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:On March 31 2012 04:51 johnny123 wrote:
i personally would have prefered to see SOTG at ipl 4 instead of Pax, but whatever, Doing it at Pax will do nothing for the scene of starcraft 2 other than some people saying " OH, I SEE". They are still going to play whatever game interests them the most. I fail to see how hosting a SOTG at this event will grow anything.
It almost seems to me that jp/arotosis/incontrol/wheat/day9 etc are doing this in an attempt to steer away some spotlight at what IGN is doing for the sc2 scene.
How much cooler would this have been if SOTG was done at IPL4 in vegas? But obviously it wont since Jp works for mlg and ign is a direct competitor.
Anyway, i said my small rant. In my view its a stupid move. It would have been alot funner to see incontrol interview these guys at ipl4, especially considering that it will be the greatest sc2 tournament to date, it has what over 1/2 of code S, entire gstl teams, something along the line of 40+ koreans. And these guys go PAX, which just so happens they are the big MLG representive guys ( outside of incontrol) . I can smell this rotten fish from miles away. Are you paranoid much? Incontrol isn't going to IPL, his going to PAX as per requested from EG. Removing Incontrol from SOTG is like removing TL from the SC2 Scene. Guess where Artosis is going to be? Not at IPL either! I don't know about the other members of the cast, but I can only presume Day9 won't be there unless his spectating. You gotta' realize sponsor requests come first rather then doing an 'off-side' production like SOTG. Even if it were JP saying no, I can fully understand. I'd rather him have a job at MLG then lose his job because he hosted a SOTG at IPL. dude as you can see, i already know all the guys that are going to pax instead , you dont have to tell me. As i said, its a dick move and i got a few reasons why. Incontrol canceled his open bracket spot at ipl 4 to do this show at PAX. A starcraft 2 progamer canceling tournaments to do non-essential tasks. Imagin if Idra canceled Ipl to do inside the game at PAx, there would be community outrage.. We might as well stop calling Incontrol a sc2 pro-gamer. He is no longer that, Hes a PR representive for EG, Nothing more.Nothing less. Now lets go onto Artosis and his reasoning for going to pax I've watched almost every gsl game, and anytime artosis talkes about other games, he discredits them and says Starcraft 2 and starcraft 1 are the greatest games in the world. Yet hes going a multigame convension , inwhich he does not give 2 shits about the other games because Starcraft is his love( i know he also likes Street Fighter, thats about it) . Its clear to me that sundance is flying him out to PAX to do a SOTG at pax. As i know sundance is going as well. So here you have the greatest sc2 commentator, not commentating on the biggest event sc2 will ever see. Im sure ign approached tastetosis to commentate their event, and he refused because he has sided with MLG. day9- can be summed up with artosis, same shit. Wheat - hes not on sotg , so its no bigge, he was always a "multi-game" guy so this is to be expected. JP -works for mlg , would never in a million years do a SOTG at ipl4 and expect to keep his job. Shit like this pisses me off SOTG was much better when it was not affiliated to anything. Now its just a bunch of crap with biased opinions.
Do you even understand what your saying?
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