EPTIf there's a SoTG watch it. If there isn't, don't. You don't need to organize your whole life around the show..>_>
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
If there's a SoTG watch it. If there isn't, don't. You don't need to organize your whole life around the show..>_> | ||
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:49 Mauldo wrote: Sigh. The reddit nerds and their unwarranted self-importance / inflated sense of self-entitlement are shitting up the thread again. This internet nationalism bullshit has to stop. A person isn't "from Reddit" or "from /VG" or whatever. A person can browse all of these forums simultaneously and enjoy each one for different things. It;s just so silly to try and belittle someone on their choice of forum, and it's still more bizzarre that you think you can generalize and pre judge people based upon their choice of forum. / end of off-topic rant | ||
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Zythius
Norway94 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:12 Megabuster123 wrote: I don't understand why everyone is complaining..>_> If there's a SoTG watch it. If there isn't, don't. You don't need to organize your whole life around the show..>_> Word. If someone gives me free stuff on an irregular basis I'm not gonna complain to them about it being irregular. | ||
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AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
On March 29 2012 19:47 iNcontroL wrote: we do a public show for free... the shit we as hosts get on a regular basis from people in this thread does not somehow get justified by it "being public." You want to pay us money? Do it, then you get to bitch when we do stuff you don't like. Up until then you can absolutely bitch and moan but it's a free service so you just look like an ass. are you distinguishing bitching and moaning from constructive criticism? if so I 100% agree. i love this show so much i would contemplate paying for it if that meant consistency and more drama  | ||
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VirtuosoZ
United States31 Posts
My friends and I are big fans of the show. I get together with them to drink/watch the live stream whenever possible. As the longest-running sc2 talk show, SotG is irreplaceable! imo, the other shows don't even come close to the level of humor, passion, and game knowledge that you guys naturally have. Thanks for being awesome! On March 30 2012 05:49 Mauldo wrote: Sigh. The reddit nerds and their unwarranted self-importance / inflated sense of self-entitlement are shitting up the thread again. Um... This is a Team Liquid thread, so I'm pretty sure these are Team Liquid nerds... not sure why you'd blame Reddit. | ||
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koslain
United States70 Posts
That is getting annonying...Keep up the good work guys see ya when I see ya <3 | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
. First let me start by saying that I watch and enjoy each SotG. Also, without SotG I would not be half as familiar with Day9, InControl, Tyler, JP, Artosis, etc. And that is an important point to remember. The show might not generate direct revenue, but it is a very good platform to reach new people, create goodwill and popularity. I hope the hosts of the show are aware that this might even be more valuable than charging for the show directly. Because when more people know you, you get invited for events as a caster, there are more people rooting for you, more people watch your personal stream, etc. etc. So yes, you are not charging, but you are all monetizing indirectly as hosts. I can state as a fact that this show was an important part of why I started watching and paying for tournaments, because it gets you familiar with some of the personalities in the sc2 scene. I would probably not open Tylers and InControls stream if I did not know them from SotG (stopped watching Day[9] a while ago, but that is not important for this discussion). So now that SotG is not a reliable source of entertainment, I start looking for other sources of entertainment, for example, Live on Three, or smaller tournaments. This draws my focus to other players and casters and less to the hosts of SotG. I just hope that the hosts acknowledge that the show is also helping them to reach people, and that by putting less effort in the show, there might be less people in the long term who actively follow them on tournaments, streams, and shows. So great show, great group of people running it, I just hope you still see the value of the show, even though it is free . | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
We see the world around us and we give our view on it. This is real life. Deal with it. The show at this moment is not a show. Free or not. | ||
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AxiR
Germany944 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:17 ceaRshaf wrote: The internet is where you can expose yourself for free (with ideas, posts,blogs,youtube clips ETC) and people give (unwanted) feedback. By the stupid logic that "it's free, it must be good" all the youtube clips should be with praising comments like :"Oh my God, thank you for this awesome funny clip, your idea is great, I am so lucky to get this for free". We see the world around us and we give our view on it. This is real life. Deal with it. The show at this moment is not a show. Free or not. Wow. Just wow. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Hey hey, you can only like my free feedback comment. No crits plz. | ||
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Dotq
Norway235 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:07 Domus wrote: Wow, big discussion . First let me start by saying that I watch and enjoy each SotG. Also, without SotG I would not be half as familiar with Day9, InControl, Tyler, JP, Artosis, etc. And that is an important point to remember. The show might not generate direct revenue, but it is a very good platform to reach new people, create goodwill and popularity. I hope the hosts of the show are aware that this might even be more valuable than charging for the show directly. Because when more people know you, you get invited for events as a caster, there are more people rooting for you, more people watch your personal stream, etc. etc. So yes, you are not charging, but you are all monetizing indirectly as hosts. I can state as a fact that this show was an important part of why I started watching and paying for tournaments, because it gets you familiar with some of the personalities in the sc2 scene. I would probably not open Tylers and InControls stream if I did not know them from SotG (stopped watching Day[9] a while ago, but that is not important for this discussion). So now that SotG is not a reliable source of entertainment, I start looking for other sources of entertainment, for example, Live on Three, or smaller tournaments. This draws my focus to other players and casters and less to the hosts of SotG. I just hope that the hosts acknowledge that the show is also helping them to reach people, and that by putting less effort in the show, there might be less people in the long term who actively follow them on tournaments, streams, and shows. So great show, great group of people running it, I just hope you still see the value of the show, even though it is free .Very well said | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3115 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:27 ceaRshaf wrote: Hey hey, you can only like my free feedback comment. No crits plz. Are...are you appealing to youtube comments as justification for your behavior? That's just--I don't-- Someone hold me. And, yes, there is a difference between giving constructive criticism or posting briefly about what you disliked about something you received for free and continually harassing people giving you something for free in a rude, demanding way because they're not producing more content for you for free. One is acceptable. The other is not. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 Captain Peabody wrote: Are...are you appealing to youtube comments as justification for your behavior? That's just--I don't-- Someone hold me. And, yes, there is a difference between giving constructive criticism or posting briefly about what you disliked about something you received for free and continually harassing people giving you something for free in a rude, demanding way because they're not producing more content for you for free. One is acceptable. The other is not. The problem is that the discussion has devolved to the point where no one on EITHER side actually distinguishes between the two. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:46 Captain Peabody wrote: Are...are you appealing to youtube comments as justification for your behavior? That's just--I don't-- Someone hold me. And, yes, there is a difference between giving constructive criticism or posting briefly about what you disliked about something you received for free and continually harassing people giving you something for free in a rude, demanding way because they're not producing more content for you for free. One is acceptable. The other is not. What are you even talking about? I "appeal" to youtube comments to justify my behavior? Again...what are you talking about? My post was about the logic behind the defensive responses to the shows criticism. And I have one post in this thread with very constructive criticism after the last show and was very well mannered and well pointed. So don't talk to me like I am a maniac that talks just not to shut up. | ||
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
And now that you've gained this popularity what you're saying to me is that since you're already at the top there is no where else left to go so because there's no real incentive you want to charge for it.... cant express how disappointed I am to hear this. Was this brought up before MLG's Arena success? Cause I feel like if we start trying to get rich quick off something that is still cool and "indy" then its going to feel fake and forced and you're only doing it for the payday not because you want to. If you don't wanna do it anymore just end the show. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On March 30 2012 04:43 Plansix wrote: The issue is that all of the host are busy and only getting more so. They love the show, but they need to justify the time they put into it. Maybe they are getting a sponsor or being hosted by a site(god let it be Giant Bomb. They need an Esports section). Otherwise we will only get shows when they have time and I don't think that is the way everyone wants to go. I know they're busy and that's perfectly fine. They don't have to justify anything though - they are free to decide if they want to spend time for SotG or not. If they don't want to do it without getting paid, that's fine.If they are happy to do it without being paid, that's also fine (note: you don't have to get paid for absolutely everything you do, and sometimes it's better to choose something you're not getting paid for instead of making money). But that's not the point... What I dislike is advertising this "revamp" thingie. If they're getting a sponsor, why not say "Brb, we're getting a sponsor and will be back after PAX". And (almost) everyone would be "Cool, they're g etting a sponsor and will be back after PAX". But when they if they say "Brb, we're making a revamp", I can't help but think that it'll be a disappointment. I guess I just dislike the way everything is being hyped up, even when it probably shouldn't be. | ||
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RedBack
Australia102 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:55 Probasaur wrote: I really like what someone said, YourNameHere, how they get exposure to the community and it grows their popularity. Now lets think for a little here. Obviously these guys are all arguably the biggest personalities (one of them is thee biggest) in the community and the most sought after. I like to think that SoTG had a rather large impact on that. At least as far as my world goes, and everyone else who's said something similar, they wouldn't most likely be my favorite fellows of the community if not for the many early SoTG's where I was introduced to Tyler and Geoff and JP. And now that you've gained this popularity what you're saying to me is that since you're already at the top there is no where else left to go so because there's no real incentive you want to charge for it.... cant express how disappointed I am to hear this. Was this brought up before MLG's Arena success? Cause I feel like if we start trying to get rich quick off something that is still cool and "indy" then its going to feel fake and forced and you're only doing it for the payday not because you want to. If you don't wanna do it anymore just end the show. mmm i think your on the right track but have gone too over the top and cynical... Yes this podcast may have been responsible for several of the hosts' success and opportunities, but also remember that that's because the podcast has been a vehicle to show us theat they are interesting and worth listenening to, which is only credit to them... My only worry is not biting but perhaps neglecting the hand thats feeds you...... I have no doubt that that all the host love sotg and love to be involved when they can, but it's increasingly falling down the list of their proroties. As Incontrol has said the gigs that pay the bills have to take priority, which you can't argue against unless your an idiot, and a wealthy idiot at that. But i don't see how you can suggest that sotg has'nt created these money making opportunities. For what its worth, in the job i do, i work extremely hard, but every week im required to go to a meeting at least as long as sotg which is no fun and honestly benefits me in no direct way, but i do it to keep up appearances... I do appreciate the fact that sotg is for free and out of the goodness of the hosts hearts... but if it had never been, would i be tuning into EG msl each day in the hope that Incontol might be casting............ dunno......... | ||
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riff
United States113 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:07 Domus wrote: Wow, big discussion . First let me start by saying that I watch and enjoy each SotG. Also, without SotG I would not be half as familiar with Day9, InControl, Tyler, JP, Artosis, etc. And that is an important point to remember. The show might not generate direct revenue, but it is a very good platform to reach new people, create goodwill and popularity. I hope the hosts of the show are aware that this might even be more valuable than charging for the show directly. Because when more people know you, you get invited for events as a caster, there are more people rooting for you, more people watch your personal stream, etc. etc. So yes, you are not charging, but you are all monetizing indirectly as hosts. I can state as a fact that this show was an important part of why I started watching and paying for tournaments, because it gets you familiar with some of the personalities in the sc2 scene. I would probably not open Tylers and InControls stream if I did not know them from SotG (stopped watching Day[9] a while ago, but that is not important for this discussion). So now that SotG is not a reliable source of entertainment, I start looking for other sources of entertainment, for example, Live on Three, or smaller tournaments. This draws my focus to other players and casters and less to the hosts of SotG. I just hope that the hosts acknowledge that the show is also helping them to reach people, and that by putting less effort in the show, there might be less people in the long term who actively follow them on tournaments, streams, and shows. So great show, great group of people running it, I just hope you still see the value of the show, even though it is free .Very well said. I was a bit caustic in my remarks earlier, but this is a good way of putting it. | ||
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
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