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On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake.
I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short:
In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended.
The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior.
Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but that doesn't change the fact he offended people.
And of course the killing blow to this argument:
People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time.
For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly.
The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls.
If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent.
EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people.
Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick.
EDITED II: for being too much of a dick.
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On March 11 2012 06:29 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 06:13 Jiddra wrote:On March 11 2012 06:05 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 11 2012 03:15 Canucklehead wrote:On March 11 2012 00:14 Liquid`NonY wrote:
As I understand it, Orb isn't on to talk about the scandal. I'm not sure that we'll talk about the scandal at all. Maybe 5 mins. Maybe I'm wrong though! That makes no sense. The whole point of haviing orb on is to talk about the scandal, otherwise why have him on the show at all? I see no value in having him on if you're not going to talk about the issue everyone wants to hear about. People are interested in judging him. The issue has already been talked about... And that is why JP randomly choose to have him on the show, that makes sence  LOL I would prefer it if they stayed away from the whole Orb lying-to-cover-his-tracks shitstorm that has already been on reddit. Orb has apologized for it already. Instead, I really hope they focus on the bigger issue: The fact that gamer lingo commonly includes words like nigger, faggot, rape, and retard. Obviously this sort of language is offensive and politically incorrect, but is it something we can get rid of on the internet where everyone is anonymous? Should petty insults like these said in the heat of the moment on competitive online gaming even be taken seriously? Do public figures feel like their privacy is being invaded when even their not-on-the-job behavior is scrutinized? And do they feel like the SC2 community is too hostile? See: Incontrol bashing, Idra bashing, Desrow bashing, Tyler bashing, PPV mayhem, Stephano forfeit drama, the list goes on...
If they have this discussion again I'm just gonna skip through it... it's a topic thats been beaten to death and one that was already discussed in great length on sotg before.
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Curious to know in which episode this was discussed?. Seeing how this happen last week, I supposed it's the last or the one before right?. Anyone generous enough to tell me at what time and episode they disccused this topic?
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On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior. Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this IDIOTIC, JUVENILE argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick.
good point. However whats the difference between retard and nigger? Saying "fuck you retard" is also meant in a derogatory way. Is that acceptable?
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Oh god, it's in here too. Can the drama queens kindly find the other thread? So dull.
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Yeah, please don't derail this thread with discussion on what happened to Orb. Use the other thread.
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On March 12 2012 23:10 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior. Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this IDIOTIC, JUVENILE argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. good point. However whats the difference between retard and nigger? Saying "fuck you retard" is also meant in a derogatory way. Is that acceptable?
I'm not going to quibble about this word = that word. Especially not in this thread.
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On March 13 2012 00:19 CTStalker wrote:
Yeah, please don't derail this thread with discussion on what happened to Orb. Use the other thread.
Sorry. Moving on ...
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On March 12 2012 23:10 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior. Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this IDIOTIC, JUVENILE argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. good point. However whats the difference between retard and nigger? Saying "fuck you retard" is also meant in a derogatory way. Is that acceptable?
there is a big difference
"playing like a retard" just means you played with limited function of your body/brain.
the focus here is that a healthy person did not use the capabilties of his body.
you are more insulting him on slacking than anything else.
and being retarded is negative, prob every retard wishes to be healthy
"playing like a n..." as an insult implys that being black is a disadvantage or just something negative.
but it is not.
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On March 13 2012 01:42 kinglemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 23:10 Hider wrote:On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior. Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this IDIOTIC, JUVENILE argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. good point. However whats the difference between retard and nigger? Saying "fuck you retard" is also meant in a derogatory way. Is that acceptable? there is a big difference "playing like a retard" just means you played with limited function of your body/brain. being retarded is negative, prob every retard wishes to be healthy "playing like a n..." as an insult implys that being black is a disadvandtage or just something negative. but it is not.
Actually, playing like a retard means that you played like a retarded person. As in you played like a person with an IQ below 80. It's a comparison to retarded people.
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On March 13 2012 01:49 Harbinger631 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 01:42 kinglemon wrote:On March 12 2012 23:10 Hider wrote:On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior. Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this IDIOTIC, JUVENILE argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. good point. However whats the difference between retard and nigger? Saying "fuck you retard" is also meant in a derogatory way. Is that acceptable? there is a big difference "playing like a retard" just means you played with limited function of your body/brain. being retarded is negative, prob every retard wishes to be healthy "playing like a n..." as an insult implys that being black is a disadvandtage or just something negative. but it is not. Actually, playing like a retard means that you played like a retarded person. As in you played like a person with an IQ below 80. It's a comparison to retarded people.
"you played like a genius" doesn't actually put you on the level with real geniuses.
just because you call a certain action in the game genius, your not insulting einstein.
and for example in shooter games, when somebody just didn't see his opponent, even though it was possible, your insulting him with "fucking blind or what?".
but you not actually insult being blind, it's about slacking and not paying attention.
so if you don't want to allow somebody to call anyone a "retard", then you should not allow him to say "blind".
because that is actually the exact same story.
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There are literally hundreds and hundreds of other pages on other threads that have run through these same arguments 10x over. Give it a rest in this thread.
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On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. "The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior." Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but that doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. EDITED II: for being too much of a dick.
If it helps, what you just explained to me is niggers are black people and niggas are black people. Read what you wrote. You perpetuating the stereotype simply by saying ""The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior."
Look, I don't find Wanda Sykes all that funny, but she had a decent bit on "Nigger Chips" I agreed more with her joke and would hope it would be made more realistic.
Remember just because you disagree with the way orb used it and agree with the way destiny uses it, it looks more fanboyish than reasonable, this should be more of a way for you to mature yourself if possible and understand "Nigger is just a word, just like tacos, Russian, Pinko, commie." All can be derogatory but all can be made into a joke. Some people will get offended, and that's unfortunate, but the culture right now, not just in america but all over the world is quite childish in a lot of senses.
But to put this out there, I don't agree with Orb using it, and if Destiny is representing a team, i wouldn't want him to use it either, just for professional sakes. You shouldn't be swearing or using possible offensive terms in a professional environment, that's just what you are taught, and it has its reasons.
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On March 13 2012 03:13 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 20:48 Defacer wrote:On March 12 2012 19:48 Goldmattress wrote:On March 12 2012 15:53 Defacer wrote:
I like Destiny, but that argument is irrelevant. It's a semantic argument designed by offensive people to justify being offensive, and doesn't actually deal with the actual issue whether being offensive is appropriate or has any value in e-sports.
You mention no reason as to why is opinion is irrelevant, you just dismiss it outright as if your personal opinion is gospel. People are not offended they choose to take offense, and when none is meant and no one is personally attacked it's strange to take offense if not outright idiotic. Not that I actually care that orb got fired, he made a dumb nigger mistake. I've posted enough about this in other threads. But in short: In Orb's case, offense was absolutely intended. "The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior." Arguing how people perceive words differently is not the actually the issue. The issue is whether or not being offensive warrants losing your job. You can piss and moan about how the people are too sensitive, but that doesn't change the fact he offended people. And of course the killing blow to this argument: People have the right to say what they want, true, and have no control over other people's interpretation. On the same token, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED, and chose whether not to support you and your behaviour. To be so naive, arrogant, and self-centered to try to argue otherwise -- that people shouldn't be offended, and if they are, there should be no social consequence because 'it was their choice' -- is a ridiculous waste of time. For Orb or Destiny or anyone to try to rationalize their knowingly offensive behavior -- and yes, Orb knows the word is grossly offensive, or else the word would have no value or appeal for Orb to use (he could have easily called the guy a motherfucker) -- and then try to rationalize it to dodge the social consequences of their behaviour isn't just intellectually bankrupt. It's cowardly. The reason why Orb or Destiny and so many people try to justify the casual use of nigger isn't because they're poet-philosophers trying to elevate the English language to weird and exciting places. It's because saying it and trying to get away with it makes them shit-and-giggle in their pants like little school girls. If the word wasn't inherently offensive, they wouldn't bother using it. Which makes the argument that people chose to be offended by your choice of words, when the intent to offend is implicit, empty and fraudulent. EDIT: BTW, in all fairness, I don't think I've ever heard Destiny use the word nigger in a manner that I would consider derogatory. I can imagine him saying, "Yeeeeeahhhh nigga!" or "Wassup nigga?", but never with the intent to insult people. Orb's situation is specific, and even if Destiny where to trot out the argument that words have different meanings depending on their context, he would have to acknowledge in this context, Orb was trying to be a massive dick. EDITED II: for being too much of a dick. If it helps, what you just explained to me is niggers are black people and niggas are black people. Read what you wrote. You perpetuating the stereotype simply by saying ""The use of the word nigger, in Orb's situation, is derogatory, even if it's not directed at a Black person, because it perpetuates the stereotype that Black people are inferior." Look, I don't find Wanda Sykes all that funny, but she had a decent bit on "Nigger Chips" I agreed more with her joke and would hope it would be made more realistic. Remember just because you disagree with the way orb used it and agree with the way destiny uses it, it looks more fanboyish than reasonable, this should be more of a way for you to mature yourself if possible and understand "Nigger is just a word, just like tacos, Russian, Pinko, commie." All can be derogatory but all can be made into a joke. Some people will get offended, and that's unfortunate, but the culture right now, not just in america but all over the world is quite childish in a lot of senses. But to put this out there, I don't agree with Orb using it, and if Destiny is representing a team, i wouldn't want him to use it either, just for professional sakes. You shouldn't be swearing or using possible offensive terms in a professional environment, that's just what you are taught, and it has its reasons.
Not going to bite because we essentially agree. I'm perpetuating the the stereotyping by acknowledging it's racist origin, others are perpetuating it through willful ignorance. We could argue forever about which is less depressing.
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On March 13 2012 05:40 KadaverBB wrote:Hi there, i would like to suggest that Nony/Tyler takes 1-2 minutes talking about totalbiscuit monobattle tourney Would be nice to hear some amusing stories. Maybe incontrol can also comment on it, EG hopefully had a blas playing in it as well
yeah! i happened to watch that and it was really fun. i wonder what the players thought of it ?
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On March 13 2012 05:40 KadaverBB wrote:Hi there, i would like to suggest that Nony/Tyler takes 1-2 minutes talking about totalbiscuit monobattle tourney Would be nice to hear some amusing stories. Maybe incontrol can also comment on it, EG hopefully had a blas playing in it as well
Agreed! I would also enjoy listening to the players thoughts on monobattles and what they thought of it, if they enjoyed it etc.
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On March 12 2012 07:53 Gamegene wrote:
i think the only reason why orb is being asked to come on is so that he gets a chance to explain himself in person and on stream, the way we are used to hearing community figure's opinions.
And to increase dose viewz!!
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Hey JP, when you bring Orb on can you please give some quick background information on the whole situation? I feel like sometimes you guys talk about certain topics and just assume everyone knows all the relevant info.
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On October 26 2011 14:16 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
Its a WATERBAT. The new hellion is a waterbat.
Yes, yes it is.
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