Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2031

On January 28 2012 00:13 KadaverBB wrote:
At roughly 1:27:50 on the youtube video tyler makes a shoutout to "a good website" . I rewatched that part like 5 times but i still can not make out what website he is talking about. In my brain it sounds like "leftwrong.com" but i guess thats not it XD

Someone please tell me how the site is called, the stuff tyler is talking about sounds interesting

On January 27 2012 23:20 CallousCarter wrote:


I still enjoy MOTD. I know what you're saying about Lineker and co, i think they all get paid far too much and there are occasions when it feels like you're peeking through a window at a circle jirk. Of course none of them live up to motty's standards even when they are analysing the game but none of this invalidates my previous points about SoTG. Oh and P.S don't bring that rat faced bastard Gary Neville into this things can only go south.

And finally, as StarVe said above, the ESV weekly provides consistently awesome Korean players. Last week there were 12 code S and 21 code A participants.

On January 28 2012 00:14 mvtaylor wrote:
Comparing SOTG to MOTD is a horrible analogy.

SOTG is far closer to The Monday Night Club in that they discuss recent events rather than going over highlights...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b019pkyy/5_live_Sport_The_Monday_Night_Club_23_01_2012/

On January 27 2012 23:50 ChaosTerran wrote:
I'd love if they could just talk about every matchup for 10 minutes. Recent metagem shifts, new strategies, possible imbalances, etc..

Just dedicate 10 minutes to TvZ, 10 minutes to TvP and 10 minutes to PvZ and then 5 minutes per mirror match. Yes I do realize that this would be 45 minutes of stategy talk, but then just cut the call-ins and do strategy talk instead. Last episode (last week) you guys were talking about PvP for 30-40 minutes and yes it was boring for most of us,simply because it was only interesting for protoss players, for zergs and terrans it was absolutely boring and there was no point in listening to that. But when you talk about all the matchups, then it's much more interesting for everybody, maybe there's a protoss that has a bad PvZ and wants to hear what you guys think about the matchup and the strategies used by both sides, or a terran who has problems with tvp, or a zerg who has problems with zvt. I would love if you could talk about strategies, I mean for god's sake you guys have day9 and artosis on the same show, together with incontrol and tyler... why not let them talk about strategies, day9 and artosis are top level commentators and you have both of them on the same show, but you guys rather talk about drama and things that everyone of us can read on reddit anyway.

There's nothing informative about SOTG, all the information we get from the show is already on reddit, the only way I'll keep watching the show is if you guys start to discuss the actual game, because that is something I can't read on reddit. I can't go to reddit and read day9's opinion on PvZ or what Artosis thinks about the metagame in TvP. That is something that would give people an actual reason to watch the show.

On January 28 2012 00:28 FreudianTrip wrote:


Is Marcotti still on that. The man's a genius. Although I must way when I'm looking for a round-up of recent events I go for Football Weekly. But then again I like puns.

While I was looking for that link I just found out Wilshere is out for the rest of the season. Our fucking medical team is a joke. I'd have every last one of them shot.

On January 28 2012 00:18 Sombrero wrote:
Why would you squander your ability to talk to these legends by asking them about strategy that in a years time will be obsolete? Would you rather not know about their personal thoughts, aspirations and other interesting points that are pertinent to the history of starcraft 2 as a whole or their individual stories?

On January 28 2012 00:41 mvtaylor wrote:


I don't honestly know, I don't make it something I have to check every week, rather I just know it's a well produced show in a format far closer to that SOTG than MOTD and I have no idea why people were using it as comparison. Yeah I've got to be honest your medical team is a shambles, if RVP decides to fall over a twig again any time soon then it doesn't look to great for you guys... plus it's another player I'll have to get out of my fantasy team. As a Spurs fan though I do find it all amazing this season, never had us placing so highly before the season started and if we can get through some big games in the next few weeks we'll pretty much have third / top 4 nailed on.

On January 28 2012 00:45 Arisen wrote:

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Once again, I never said these questions are bad, I'm fine with hearing stories and views pertaining to esports from some of my favorite players and ex players. However, don't say questions about strategy are squandering an opportunity. The main advantage to having a pro athlete on this type of show is they can give you their unique perspective into their respective sport. Do you ever see a player interview on espn and they don't talk about the game? No. They talk about why they did this, what they felt went wrong, how pre match stuff contributed, etc.

Also, saying that these type of questions should be relegated to strategy forums, etc is not a good perspective to have, imo, because even a lot of those "high level" players don't really know anything about the game in comparison to some of the guests. Some random high masters player does not give you the same perspective as a pro player who's fulltime job it is to think/study this game.

So while I think that yes, your type of questions have value, I think strategy questions and questions about the game at large have at least equal value. I want people to love the game FOR the game. I want to be able to call in and ask tyler how he feels about some brilliant move SaSe did and how his ingame information led him to that choice. If Stephano is on the call I want to be able to ask him the stylistic difference of his zvt style and the standard and hw to exploit the advantages and hedge on his weaknesses. I want to be able to ask iNcontroL about some crazy timing or opener he did and ask what reads he had to doing that and what is planned transition was and how/why the other player stopped it, etc. The focus should be on the game just as much as it is on the stuff around the game. While, yes, you'll always have some shit strategy questions, you'll always hav esome shit drama questions too (What are your guys' saleries?!) Just my 2 cents.

On January 28 2012 00:11 Antoine wrote:

That's not what the issue is.

GSL has only had code S until last night; there's more than enough time to watch other tournaments.
MLG hasn't had anything for months, so obviously that doesn't interfere.
IPL stuff includes these maps, so if anything it's more clear that they AREN'T watching it at all.

And finally, as StarVe said above, the ESV weekly provides consistently awesome Korean players. Last week there were 12 code S and 21 code A participants.

I'm curious. Artosis said he watches probably more SC2 than anybody. What exactly is he watching all this time? Is it just ladder streams?

On January 28 2012 00:18 Sombrero wrote:
Hey Guys,

I was the first caller on the show last night and I would like to thank you for both the compliments and the criticisms in the questions that I asked last night. I hope in the future if I get the chance to ask another set of questions and I will take on the criticism that people have given regarding my questions and go forward from here.

Just to make a point about the statement I made about why would you want to ask the guests on the show about strategy. The reason I made this point is there are many outlets online, team liquid forums as an example, where many relatively high level players can comment on strategy and balance; whereas there is only one place where you can talk to Day[9], Tyler, JP and Artosis on a pretty personal level. Why would you squander your ability to talk to these legends by asking them about strategy that in a years time will be obsolete? Would you rather not know about their personal thoughts, aspirations and other interesting points that are pertinent to the history of starcraft 2 as a whole or their individual stories?

Sombrero.

On January 28 2012 00:18 Sombrero wrote:
Hey Guys,

I was the first caller on the show last night and I would like to thank you for both the compliments and the criticisms in the questions that I asked last night. I hope in the future if I get the chance to ask another set of questions and I will take on the criticism that people have given regarding my questions and go forward from here.

Just to make a point about the statement I made about why would you want to ask the guests on the show about strategy. The reason I made this point is there are many outlets online, team liquid forums as an example, where many relatively high level players can comment on strategy and balance; whereas there is only one place where you can talk to Day[9], Tyler, JP and Artosis on a pretty personal level. Why would you squander your ability to talk to these legends by asking them about strategy that in a years time will be obsolete? Would you rather not know about their personal thoughts, aspirations and other interesting points that are pertinent to the history of starcraft 2 as a whole or their individual stories?

Sombrero.

On January 28 2012 00:25 FreudianTrip wrote:


ROFL, Liverpool fan I assume? I hated him as a player (Arsenal fan here) but he's pretty much the only pundit with an actual opinion. God it was awful when Jamie Redknapp was the only one there. 'He's a top top player' 'My cousin Fwankie Lampard is d best in da world' 'Harry knows what he's doing.' AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT FUCKING THOMPSONS ADVERT. Fucking awful.



Just QFTing this because I mean, what higher level competitive testing can you have than this? Especially since Diamond and the map-making team are very open to criticism and fixing imbalances. Hell I think DonRaeGu was just talking to them the other day about some issues he had with one of the chokes on Cloud Kingdom.

On August 19 2010 14:50 LancerStarcraft wrote:
@Question

Zerg players QQ vs. Actual balance issues
Why does ZvZ always turn into baneling wars?

On January 28 2012 01:21 StarVe wrote:


Yeah, this one of very few issues I have with Artosis, or rather points where he could improve upon. He is in Korea, the Starcraft mecca and he is certainly very aware of his status in the community and pays close attention that he's portrayed as the most knowledgeable (foreign) person in terms of Starcraft players, teams and generally everything esports-related in and about Korea.

That is not a bad thing, we really need someone who fulfills that role, someone who knows everything about players and their styles, who knows who's up-and-coming, who has potential and who is falling into a slump and has background info on a lot of things.

Only, I'm kinda getting the feeling that Artosis, is not really in a position to do that to such an extent anymore.

Again, I don't want to sound like a dick, because that's totally not my intention, I'm really happy that we have a caster like Artosis in Korea to bring us the amazing games and incredible entertainment which GSL provides and it would not nearly be the same if he ever chose not to do it anymore.

Plus, he had a kid and it's completely understandable that it takes a large amount of time away from your normal life as you knew it before.

It's just, probably ever since additional casters were hired by GOM and Tastosis didn't have to cast everything anymore, it seems like Artosis is getting more and more focused on Code S (still, understandable, since it's the only thing he casts except for the occasional GSTL) and to a lesser extent foreign tournaments and less and less focused on everything below Code S (preliminaries, Code A, Up & Down matches), which causes that he only really seems to know a lot about players who've been Code S stalwarts while still oozing the vibe of 'I know everything about everyone'.

And that's something I am a bit sad about, because this is the one thing I would like from someone like Artosis in addition to his great casting: bringing us great knowledge about many different players from Korea.

I remember when Sage, his proclaimed favourite protoss player at that point qualified for the GSL for the first time since one of the open seasons through the preliminaries and a few days or weeks later when they talked about the brackets on SOTG, he was like 'Wow, Sage is in Code A? I didn't know that, GOM must have given him a free spot!'.

You can clearly notice that he doesn't watch Code A and even Up & Down games quite a lot of the time, too, if you listen to the casts or SOTG shows when players are being discussed who haven't been in Code S for ages, but have shown a significant rise in skill lately or just won a lot more games recently, Artosis often is oblivious to it.

Yesterday would have been a good time to talk about ST_Parting in the Code S RO16 groups, about his success and chances as the only player coming from Code A still alive in the tournament, but all we got was just something along the lines of "I don't really think anyone thinks Parting can advance here" from JP. Stuff like that is just something I would like to see from someone who's in a position like Artosis is, and it does hurt a bit when he knows so much more about the game itself than a random person on a forum and then sometimes a random person on the forums who watches GSL and a bit of other Korean tournaments like ESV Weekly and the KSL seems to know much more about a large amount of players and seems to have watched a lot more games from all these players.

It shouldn't be that way. It really shouldn't.

That said, I hope it's not perceived as a whine post or as a stupid "he lost his passion" argument, because that's not what it's supposed to be, it's just something that's bugged me for a bit and I really think we need someone who fulfills the role I described to also bring Korean players who really deserve it to the attention of the mainstream SC2 audience.

At the moment, I think the caster who is most knowledgeable about the Korean players as a whole is Orb, and the ESV Weekly still doesn't get nearly as many viewers as it should, because as a tournament it's one of the biggest sources of great play and entertainment out there for me as a viewer.

I just think that people like Artosis could do much much more for educating the viewers about the Korean players, because he lives in Korea and has a more direct connection to the scene, and that is what I hope for.

On January 28 2012 01:42 Talin wrote:
This has been the most beautiful SoTG since the very earliest ones post-beta. No dramatainment, no esports business talk, no cheap humour, not a lot of predictions (except for the GSL ones which were like 5 minutes long), not a lot of filler topics either etc.

It seemed genuine and honest and generally relaxed, with the hosts being more themselves than I've seen them on sotg in a long time, it had that old vibe of "guys hanging out" the early shows had. Also bonus points for that awesome person who asked awesome questions near the end and for keeping the Indy gradient overlay. <3