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On November 11 2011 23:10 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 22:37 Takkara wrote:On November 11 2011 22:17 Velr wrote:
The problem is.. Afaik the Vod was up faster before MLG came in?
Even if thats not true, there are "easy" ways to make the Vod upload faster/immediatly?
There just seems like no reason for the vod being late except MLG's premium service which helps to make stog better (wait wat?).
(I don't really care, i listen to the MP3 mostly and also don't die if i miss an enitre sotg). No, the reason VoDs were up faster before MLG was because JP lived in a different time zone (I think he lived on West Coast) and was able to stay up ALL night uploading the VoD personally every week. Now, MLG handles the upload of the VoD as it's a part of the MLG.tv service. MLG offices are in New York. They are a professional organization and work normal business hours. SotG ends after 1am on Friday morning. There is no one in the office that can upload the VoD. It is now 8:30am on the East Coast. The first sets of workers on the East Coast are getting to offices. Unsure when office hours for MLG NY. JP said this on his Twitter: "http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2011/11/sotg-ep56.html @StateOfTheGame has been up for awhile, didn't tweet about it... no VOD yet, should be up when NYC gets in office" People complaining that the VoDs have not gone up within 7-8 hours of the show ending are being wholly unreasonable. If you haven't seen VoDs by the end of the day today, then, sure, it's not reasonable for it to be up that late. However, JP personally has asked for patience as it is the very fact that MLG has invested in this TV service that he has his full time position with them doing these sorts of things. Acting so entitled and demanding that a VoD be thrown up in the middle of the night by a professional company is completely unreasonable. If you were in the same position and your boss told you you had to come in at 2am on every Friday morning to upload a VoD so that Europeans won't pirate your talent's show, you'd be completely angry. Just be patient. Go do something else for a few hours. Check back later after US business hours. This definitely. Can't believe people feel people running the show should just do work through the night to have the VOD for when you wake up, like your need to sleep doesn't apply to people who are willing to put in the time and effort to give you such good content. Do you guys even listen when Tyler keeps mentioning that there's a right and wrong time to ask for autographs. There's also a right and wrong time to expect work from people. Do people also complain that Day9 doesn't do a daily every day of the week? Or that GSL take these amazing things off called "weekends"? If you're complaining about a 7-8 hour delay, or even anything near that ballpark, you're crazy. Crazy I tell you.
fine, ill tell you how the real world works. Just pay someone 100 extra bucks, bet you anything you will find someone willing to do it instantly, and they wont care aboyt fucking up their sleep. Hell, just pay sotgpirate 50-100 bucks a week to upload it to the official page and problem solved.
In my work, if I have to stay one night cause there is work to do, you can bet your ass I will have to stay. If mlg really looses so much money from this pirated sotg, then step up your game, its that simple.
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On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy.
I share this sentiment. I actually stopped watching the stream after this segment. The rampant ignorance of the behind the scenes of PPSL just killed it.
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On November 12 2011 00:22 skrotcyk wrote:
i really don't understand how they are able to upload 30+ hours of vod (tournament) in notime, but they CAN*T upload 1,5 hour sotg in 5days?
It was done in about 7 hours (I think) the last time. They should really try to get the vods out at a given time. Not knowing when it will come is worse then anything imo (except for not at all ofc). A set schedule ftw.
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I'd like to point out that I appreciate JP more than before after having experienced iNcontroL as a host. iNcontroL is a funny guy and he makes a great guest, but he tends to draw too much attention to himself. With iNcontroL in charge it's all about iNcontroL, and that's all cool and everything, but not for SotG. JP on the other hand is a more passive and inviting person, and while I didn't like him too much in the past, I gotta say that this is a very very good thing for this type of show. Continue the great work, it's much appreciated.
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I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important.
And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it.
SotG, you are disappointing 
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On November 12 2011 01:07 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. I share this sentiment. I actually stopped watching the stream after this segment. The rampant ignorance of the behind the scenes of PPSL just killed it.
See, that's the thing, this is actually a show about the game, hence the title "state of the game", not state of community drama.
I would expect from JP to give some summary of what happened and all but do you seriously expect them to follow every post of every drama?
I mean, after everything that's been said and done, what difference does it make if people on sotg say anything? It's not like they can change everything, only thing they can say is: "hey, that sux". Go at any topic and you'll see hundreds of people talking that.
+Artosis said follow Gunrun and what he says is true and that's it.
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On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy.
Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy. If I had read an article published by a reporter I trust, then I'd feel more comfortable talking about it. I hadn't come across one. When it all started, I saw posts by people I had never heard of before. I give all the contents of such posts zero value. And then I have a decision to make: do I waste a bunch of time glued to the web, reading every post and tweet and watching every show about it, so that I can slowly gather evidence and make my own conclusions OR do I wait until someone whose job that is does it and I simply read their work? I like reading drama but I hate reading bullshit. And I've reflected on the time I spend reading forums and realized that I get more out reading a good book for 5 hours than I get out of reading forums for 50 hours. So I said fuck it, it's not my business and I don't really care.
If people watch SOTG expecting us to investigate such stories and give them the facts and give our judgment on it, then they've got the wrong idea. It's only when a story is completely out in the open or we're the ones involved that we'll definitely go over it and then judge it. I also feel confident that we're not in an exclusive position to expose wrongdoers and set things aright. There's an ample number of folks doing that. And it also seems that most viewers complaining about this have already made up their minds about it and were just hoping we'd reinforce it. I think Artosis's contribution was the best we could provide. Through all the wrong things that happen, there are a lot of nice and passionate people in SEA and that scene doesn't deserve to be looked down upon because of the mistakes of a few people.
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On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing
It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter? What are we gonna say about it that desperately needs to be said?
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On November 12 2011 01:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter? What are we gonna say about it that desperately needs to be said?
Well you did feel the need to say something about it, and insinuate that this was just another artificial drama created by the community all grabbing their pitchforks. Which can be said for a lot of things, but everything suggests that this is a lot more than that.
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what are the sotg hosts supposed to do about the PPSL? jerk you off with words, nimic?
"yeah, fuck gus, good god i can't hear that enough from enough people UGNNuGHGH"
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On November 12 2011 01:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter? What are we gonna say about it that desperately needs to be said?
The detrimental effects it has for the (god forbid that I use this fucking word) scene?
The continued view of future major events in SEA?
The lack of major events or exposure SEA has due to numerous scandals or issues (Major, IPL thing)?
How it counteracts against the good-nature and interest of FXO to build up a Malaysian community for competitive gaming?
Should IPL make this a legal issue, etc.?
Those are interesting subjects that could take a good 15 minutes to talk about. Long-story short, some guy fucked-up, ran off with the money, left everyone high and dry, takes all the credit, potentially may put someone in jail, leaves many staff members unpaid, lied, cheated, etc. etc.
It's pretty one-sided, yes, but the effects it has are things that can be mentioned or gone over.
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On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing
The guys on SotG pretty much only follow what they are directly linked to; actually even there it's a stretch since they can only talk about their own games half the time.
Artosis is the only one that seems to follow more games as he can. Day9 only knows about games he personally casted. Tyler only really knows about games he played and a few random ones here and there. Incontrol knows about a few of his teammates' games. That's pretty much the extent of what they talk about every tournament, then the finals and finally the "korea vs world" stats they always bring up.
Overall it's pretty disappointing. I'm not sure if it's just lack of time on their part to stay up to date on different tournaments and games or if it's lack of interest besides their work; who knows. I wish they had a crazed SC2 fan every week; some dude that watches like every tournament and match and can talk about them in detail, talking about who is using what types of builds; etc. It would be more interesting. I used to like SotG when they had a good review of all the main tournaments going on, especially GSL, because they would keep track of how builds were changing over time. It's not really the case anymore since they pretty much don't watch anything except for Artosis, and no one can debate with him because of it. And they spend half of every episode talking about MLG formats, matchups and results (without really indept analysis) which I wouldn't mind if they did a good job with other sections of the show.
The only time SotG is fun to listen to is when a new big patch or something is announced and they go through the changes. The HotS episodes were pretty good. Otherwise though, I can't say I'm a huge fan.
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Tyler, not knowing much about happened, or not trusting the sources of the story is one thing, but shitting all over the community saying that they are melodramatic, make a big deal out of everything, and are generally just uptight assholes waiting to complain about anything is what disappointed me. There are a few jerks that ruin it for everyone by making a bigger deal about certain events than they should (example: See any thread about Major switching teams), but to just automatically assume that the community is up in a rage over nothing is downright ignorant, and makes us feel like you guys think the majority of us are crazy people.
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On November 12 2011 01:44 suspiciousbear wrote:
Tyler, not knowing much about happened, or not trusting the sources of the story is one thing, but shitting all over the community saying that they are melodramatic, make a big deal out of everything, and are generally just uptight assholes waiting to complain about anything is what disappointed me. There are a few jerks that ruin it for everyone by making a bigger deal about certain events than they should (example: See any thread about Major switching teams), but to just automatically assume that the community is up in a rage over nothing is downright ignorant, and makes us feel like you guys think the majority of us are crazy people.
The community is melodramic and has knee-jerk angst ridden reactions to everything. Your naive if you think that is not the case.
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i think the last few posts tyler has responded to show how melodramatic members of the community can be. some of them want legit legal discussions from a sc2 podcast
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If people in this thread can actually link to a post or page having an explanation/apology from PPSL or IPL then it would be worth talking about. But the fact is that there's a ton of pseudo journalism going on where people try to sensationalize something for the sake of starting a witch hunt. People here gobble that stuff up. The internet loves to hate more than it loves to understand, and this is another case of that.
Was it shady? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there haven't been any official statements regarding it. Almost everybody in those threads come from North America and Europe. That's an ocean away from the actual event, how can they have the right to say that so and so happened when they weren't even there?
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The community's reaction saddened me a bit more than the PPSL situation itself unfortunately. It's a lot easier to find a new tournament organizer that isn't terrible than to find a new Starcraft 2 community (I haven't really seen anything that would indicate that Gus is much more than a quite terrible tournament organizer so far).
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On November 12 2011 01:36 taintmachine wrote:
what are the sotg hosts supposed to do about the PPSL? jerk you off with words, nimic?
"yeah, fuck gus, good god i can't hear that enough from enough people UGNNuGHGH"
Are you high, or something? What is the point of the State of the Game podcast if not because people want to hear their (hopefully well-informed) opinions about something?
Do you serve an actual purpose here, or is it just to make garbage posts like that?
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On November 12 2011 01:40 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing The guys on SotG pretty much only follow what they are directly linked to; actually even there it's a stretch since they can only talk about their own games half the time. Artosis is the only one that seems to follow more games as he can. Day9 only knows about games he personally casted. Tyler only really knows about games he played and a few random ones here and there. Incontrol knows about a few of his teammates' games. That's pretty much the extent of what they talk about every tournament, then the finals and finally the "korea vs world" stats they always bring up. Overall it's pretty disappointing. I'm not sure if it's just lack of time on their part to stay up to date on different tournaments and games or if it's lack of interest besides their work; who knows. I wish they had a crazed SC2 fan every week; some dude that watches like every tournament and match and can talk about them in detail, talking about who is using what types of builds; etc. It would be more interesting. I used to like SotG when they had a good review of all the main tournaments going on, especially GSL, because they would keep track of how builds were changing over time. It's not really the case anymore since they pretty much don't watch anything except for Artosis, and no one can debate with him because of it. And they spend half of every episode talking about MLG formats, matchups and results (without really indept analysis) which I wouldn't mind if they did a good job with other sections of the show. The only time SotG is fun to listen to is when a new big patch or something is announced and they go through the changes. The HotS episodes were pretty good. Otherwise though, I can't say I'm a huge fan.
The show has more viewers now than they had in the past.
The show isn't their main jobs, they have other commitments than watch every single game. They are casters and players more than spectators. If you make a show with hardcore fans talking about every game and builds, I highly doubt you would get even half the viewers as sotg.
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On November 12 2011 02:00 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:36 taintmachine wrote:
what are the sotg hosts supposed to do about the PPSL? jerk you off with words, nimic?
"yeah, fuck gus, good god i can't hear that enough from enough people UGNNuGHGH" Are you high, or something? What is the point of the State of the Game podcast if not because people want to hear their (hopefully well-informed) opinions about something? Get your head out of his ass.
yea, you want to hear about "something." you want to hear what you want to hear, which is that gus is bad mmkay and that the hosts agree with you 100%. there's a lot of coverage over what is happening, but if the sotg hosts said they couldn't make an informed opinion or didn't have one and you actually wanted an informed opinion, then you'd probably appreciate their reluctance to bullshit everyone.
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