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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On November 12 2011 01:44 suspiciousbear wrote:
Tyler, not knowing much about happened, or not trusting the sources of the story is one thing, but shitting all over the community saying that they are melodramatic, make a big deal out of everything, and are generally just uptight assholes waiting to complain about anything is what disappointed me. There are a few jerks that ruin it for everyone by making a bigger deal about certain events than they should (example: See any thread about Major switching teams), but to just automatically assume that the community is up in a rage over nothing is downright ignorant, and makes us feel like you guys think the majority of us are crazy people.
ironic.
it's kind of like some people in the community can be dramatic about being labeled as dramatic
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I wanted to hear them rip on how atrocious the stream and production value was. That is confirmed and not anyones opinion. Advertising IPL events and telling friends to watch etc and then having that is terrible for esports. They had random audience members try to do their best zergling impression for a prize on stream ffs.
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I have alot of fun reading all this stupid posts :D
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On November 12 2011 02:19 AsBan wrote:
I have alot of fun reading all this stupid posts :D
This is the main show, the video thingy is just an interlude.
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On November 12 2011 01:50 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:44 suspiciousbear wrote:
Tyler, not knowing much about happened, or not trusting the sources of the story is one thing, but shitting all over the community saying that they are melodramatic, make a big deal out of everything, and are generally just uptight assholes waiting to complain about anything is what disappointed me. There are a few jerks that ruin it for everyone by making a bigger deal about certain events than they should (example: See any thread about Major switching teams), but to just automatically assume that the community is up in a rage over nothing is downright ignorant, and makes us feel like you guys think the majority of us are crazy people. The community is melodramic and has knee-jerk angst ridden reactions to everything. Your naive if you think that is not the case.
Okay, I'll concede that the community is overly dramatic, but it's not just the community, it's the human species as a collective. There's a saying, "Nothing is ever as bad or as good as it appears to be in the moment.", which is true (for example, a sports fan will be so excited about a free agent signing that they'll think it will bring their team championships and fix most of their problems, and Starcraft fans might think that the PPSL thing has tarnished the reputation of e-sports in SEA.). But, I still think you cannot dismiss the reaction outright. Just because an emotional response to an event is usually overly extreme and sometimes wrong, that doesn't mean that the logical response to an event will contradict the emotional response. In this case, I think the PPSL issues involving Gus are really, really troubling, and people instantly were upset over it. However, if you do research into what happened and make a logical opinion on what happened, you'll probably still come to the conclusion that what happened was indeed terrible. In my opinion, the SOTG cast simply assumed that the overly dramatic emotional response that occurred in the aftermath of the PPSL was completely and totally unfounded. This happened because no one knew exactly what happened. This is what was disappointing to me.
On November 12 2011 02:07 illsick wrote:
ironic.
it's kind of like some people in the community can be dramatic about being labeled as dramatic
What I illustrated in my previous post along with this post perfectly demonstrates my point, my overly dramatic response to SOTG was extreme, but not completely unfounded. My first post was the emotional response and this post was my logical response. Should I have posted the first post which you are calling me out on? Probably not. But are my arguments without merit? I think not.
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On November 12 2011 01:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy.
They're not random people though. They're people like TheGunrun posting news directly from the event.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=26#512
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On November 12 2011 01:44 suspiciousbear wrote:
Tyler, not knowing much about happened, or not trusting the sources of the story is one thing, but shitting all over the community saying that they are melodramatic, make a big deal out of everything, and are generally just uptight assholes waiting to complain about anything is what disappointed me. There are a few jerks that ruin it for everyone by making a bigger deal about certain events than they should (example: See any thread about Major switching teams), but to just automatically assume that the community is up in a rage over nothing is downright ignorant, and makes us feel like you guys think the majority of us are crazy people.
What has it got to do with the 'community' though? He's correct; it's pathetic how there's thousands of posts any time something happens. Why is whining and constant outrage about everything something anyone even wants to read. And really, nobody does read it all. They just jump in the threads and post without thinking if anyone wants to hear their nodody opinion on some matter that doesn't affect them across the other side of the fucking world.
People from reddit probably the worst for it, now all over here as well... the type who posts their dumb opinions on every bit of stupid drama, goes on about esports all the time and keeps saying 'nerd chills' but yet likely hardly plays the game themselves. Seems to be getting worse too.. whatever it is, it feels like before it was just a community here actually discussing the game and now i don't know what.
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You're right, most of the community just isn't as good as you.
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On November 12 2011 01:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:23 Xalorian wrote:I am kinda disgusted that they skipped the PPSL event and Gus drama like that. It was pretty much the most IMPORTANT event of the month... Yes, talking about MLG is fine, but for god sake this is way more important. And it's not hard to follow it... there's like 3 or 4 thread OP to read, and maybe some twits... that's it. SotG, you are disappointing  It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter? What are we gonna say about it that desperately needs to be said?
Its more than just some guy "fucking" up.
A HON tournament was announced, and the HON teams flew down only to find there was NO tournament. S2 had donated 2k in money for the prize pool, which is unaccounted for.
TheGunRun had to bail out Clive on the hotel bill.
Amanda the travel agent paid for tickets but has not been reimbursed by Gus. Supposedly the amount is 12k.
The staff was not paid.
YoonYJ who had qualified was not flown out and lied to as to why not. Dox, the guy who ran the australian qualifiers, has documented all this in his blog post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
There is a mountain of evidence against Gus. Its one thing to run a bad tournament. Its entirely another to take sponsor money and run and leave everyone else to clean up the mess. The guy should be blacklisted by all the leaders in the community, because crap like this should not happen again, not if we want sponsors to take us seriously. It needs to be condemned. I too am pretty disappointed by the lackluster discussion on SOTG.
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THANK YOU. Just got off work from a 18hour day and have to head back in 10hours. So glad this is available now!
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I'm a big fan of SOTG but guys please.. you have to solve this once and for all. You can't write off the delay in uploading the episode with "he deserves to sleep too.." because lets face it, today with the tecnology we have I can see any episode of a TV series some hours after they air in the states, because someone will rip it and i will find in any bittorrent. If there is a demand and you guys are taking to long then it's natural that someone is going to provide it faster, because that's how internet works.
Why not use a system like jtv or twitch where the content stays there once it is broadcasted? that would make things easier for everyone. For instance i couldn't see it live because it starts at 3 or 4 am in Portugal but i wanted to watch it in the morning and i couldn't and now it's almost 18pm and i still can't watch it. 1 day late or 2 days late makes a very big diference when it's a show and not just games..
Please change this system because it's not good for your european audience.
Love the show tho, thank you for that.
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On November 12 2011 01:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy. If I had read an article published by a reporter I trust, then I'd feel more comfortable talking about it. I hadn't come across one. When it all started, I saw posts by people I had never heard of before. I give all the contents of such posts zero value. And then I have a decision to make: do I waste a bunch of time glued to the web, reading every post and tweet and watching every show about it, so that I chere is an slowly gather evidence and make my own conclusions OR do I wait until someone whose job that is does it and I simply read their work? I like reading drama but I hate reading bullshit. And I've reflected on the time I spend reading forums and realized that I get more out reading a good book for 5 hours than I get out of reading forums for 50 hours. So I said fuck it, it's not my business and I don't really care. If people watch SOTG expecting us to investigate such stories and give them the facts and give our judgment on it, then they've got the wrong idea. It's only when a story is completely out in the open or we're the ones involved that we'll definitely go over it and then judge it. I also feel confident that we're not in an exclusive position to expose wrongdoers and set things aright. There's an ample number of folks doing that. And it also seems that most viewers complaining about this have already made up their minds about it and were just hoping we'd reinforce it. I think Artosis's contribution was the best we could provide. Through all the wrong things that happen, there are a lot of nice and passionate people in SEA and that scene doesn't deserve to be looked down upon because of the mistakes of a few people.
Here is a thread with a little more credibility. Even if you don't trust most of these people that worked at the event, there are also things gunrun has said which artosis said was a good guy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
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On November 12 2011 02:51 fishjie wrote:
It needs to be condemned. I too am pretty disappointed by the lackluster discussion on SOTG.
So everyone in this world should make a statement about that? tbh there's so many posts about that on tl and redit, and since they aren't involved in any way they can't say anything new so what exactly do you want? them to repeat everything that's already been said?
yea, that would be interesting to listen, them going in circle and talking: "bad gus, bad gus, i condemn that".
i mean ffs, is it so important that they say something about every freakin thing? I mean, just because they didn't throw rocks on gus doesn't mean that they support him or whatever.
They could not bring anything new to discussion anyway.
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On November 12 2011 02:43 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy. They're not random people though. They're people like TheGunrun posting news directly from the event. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=26#512
TheGunrun is awesome but he is a random person compared to the big popular casters and players. If somebody even more popular like Day9 posted that exact same message in the forum do you think this episode would have been the same? Or if Huk got stuck with a 12000$ bill I bet they would have found out about it and believed it and would have been much more upset yesterday.
The SOTG people only care about their buddies as long as Gus pays tastosis and is nice to them he's cool and they will defend him from the community.
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People are mad because the SOTG crew doesn't talk shit when they don't have all the facts? Really? What is wrong with everyone
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On November 12 2011 03:03 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 02:43 AzurewinD wrote:On November 12 2011 01:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy. They're not random people though. They're people like TheGunrun posting news directly from the event. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=26#512 TheGunrun is awesome but he is a random person compared to the big popular casters and players. If somebody even more popular like Day9 posted that exact same message in the forum do you think this episode would have been the same? Or if Huk got stuck with a 12000$ bill I bet they would have found out about it and believed it and would have been much more upset yesterday. The SOTG people only care about their buddies as long as Gus pays tastosis and is nice to them he's cool and they will defend him from the community.
Did you even listen to the podcast? The hosts were telling us to trust TheGunrun
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Yea toning down the volume on the commercials a bit would be nice if possible, it's much louder than the hosts T_T
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On November 12 2011 03:04 Kira__ wrote:People are mad because the SOTG crew doesn't talk shit when they don't have all the facts? Really? What is wrong with everyone
I was kinda sad because Gus is obviously killing esports (lol), and I would have liked it if the crew cared a bit more. Also would have been nice to hear them speak out against such acts.
Of course I understand their reasons for not commenting too. No hate from me 
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On November 12 2011 03:05 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 03:03 coolcor wrote:On November 12 2011 02:43 AzurewinD wrote:On November 12 2011 01:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On November 12 2011 00:47 Nimic wrote:
Okay, so I got to the part about PPSL (ie. the first part), and I can't listen to this anymore. How can they talk about something like this and give their opinions ("don't grab the pitchforks") when they clearly haven't got a clue about the whole thing? And it's not like it's a hard thing to have a clue about, you basically just have to read a couple of posts.
Pretty shoddy. Taking posts by random people on forums as truth is shoddy. They're not random people though. They're people like TheGunrun posting news directly from the event. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=26#512 TheGunrun is awesome but he is a random person compared to the big popular casters and players. If somebody even more popular like Day9 posted that exact same message in the forum do you think this episode would have been the same? Or if Huk got stuck with a 12000$ bill I bet they would have found out about it and believed it and would have been much more upset yesterday. The SOTG people only care about their buddies as long as Gus pays tastosis and is nice to them he's cool and they will defend him from the community. Did you even listen to the podcast? The hosts were telling us to trust TheGunrun
They also specifically said they don't believe the 12000 and jail time that he posted as if they were not aware that he was the one who wrote it. I'm saying that if somebody bigger than Gunrun posted that message they would be aware of what that message says and get angry because they care more their buddies getting screwed over than random people like Amanda.
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It's not about being good or bad, it's nobody cares about your emotional response to shit like this. It's like getting mad at random news stories for all the significance it has, and telling everyone about it on here. People involved can sort it out, they can make a statement then if they want. I don't know why you'd think anyone on sotg would have much important to say about it or why that would be interesting listening?
Are we still listening to a podcast about a videogame or has shit just got serious. esports serious.
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