EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1482
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arfyron
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote: IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Din't MaNa win a DH before ? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote: IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Second place, Naama won. | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote: Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I don't think "pretty sure" cuts it when everyone else is posting facts. I have to side with the people supporting idra on this one | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote: Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote: I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:57 Hardigan wrote: It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:41 Werk wrote: I don't think "pretty sure" cuts it when everyone else is posting facts. I have to side with the people supporting idra on this one What facts are you referring to? IdrA won IPL1 in the last three months and come fourth at MLG and the NA Battle.net Invitational(Which had like 8 people in it) and second in some Tactic 3D tournament. Mana came Third in IPL2(Much tougher competition), Second at Assembly and third in the SHOUTCraft Invitational. If you want compare competition faced or prize money won, I'm pretty fucking sure(with facts listed) that Mana comes out ahead in the last three months. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On August 20 2011 02:52 Doodsmack wrote: No I think Idra means it literally. I don't think anyone would speak in hyperbole in 90% of their public comments. And even if it is hyperbole, the burden definitely wouldn't be on Mana to prove it wrong, since he can't really know what specifically Idra means behind the exagerration. His only natural response would be "yes of course I deserve to win games." People allow Idra to say things like "x doesn't deserve to win games" because Idra is Idra. If it was anyone else, he would be ridiculed for being silly and ignorant. But at the same time I feel that Idra is actually very smart and has good points here and there but his output is just somewhat unusual and often extremely, extremely exaggerated. But since the community allows him to be perfectly non-PC in his opinions for the sake of entertainment, it's all good. Basically we all understand him. We all speak Idra and know that when he says that someone is absolutely horrible and never deserves to win a single game he means that he thinks that person could play better than what he currently does. Just don't take him too literally. I personally kind of enjoy Idra's style. It's a refreshing exception to the norm. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:41 Werk wrote: I don't think "pretty sure" cuts it when everyone else is posting facts. I have to side with the people supporting idra on this one Lets break down the last 8-10 weeks: Mana: - won several european online cups. - qualified for IEM Guangzhou as one of 4 players in europe - third at Shoutcraft Invitational (beat Kas and White-Ra, lost to Morrow) - placed third in IPL2 where he beat Thorzain and Idra (!) - placed second in Assembly where he beat Huk, Nada, Brat_ok... - is Top4 so far in an impressive run at IEM Cologne where he beat Puma, Stephano, Moonglade... Idra: - placed Top10 at MLG Anaheim where the only notable players he beat were Sheth and maybe Sjow... - second at "Oddysey cup" where he lost to the only other top progamer who participated, Sen. (third was Axslav...) Even if I forgot something on Idra's side I think it's safe to say that Mana has had better results lately. There is your facts. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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xbankx
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Chewie
Denmark708 Posts
Most of you were thinking it. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
p.s. I think Mana is very good, use to watch his stream all the time. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote: I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. Or even "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on yourself, Huk and Puma?". Mana beat all of them in the past few weeks LOL | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 20 2011 05:32 Choboo wrote: Or even "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on yourself, Huk and Puma?". Mana beat all of them in the past few weeks LOL He will naturally come up with some excuse, probably something with "abusive" thrown in there. I'd love to know which Protoss/Terran he doesn't consider abusive. Apparently Zerg is the race which only true heroes play because it's so hard and underpowered, despite him picking up Zerg when it was overpowered as fuck with 1 supply/2 armor roaches. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On August 20 2011 04:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Lets break down the last 8-10 weeks: Mana: - won several european online cups. - qualified for IEM Guangzhou as one of 4 players in europe - third at Shoutcraft Invitational (beat Kas and White-Ra, lost to Morrow) - placed third in IPL2 where he beat Thorzain and Idra (!) - placed second in Assembly where he beat Huk, Nada, Brat_ok... - is Top4 so far in an impressive run at IEM Cologne where he beat Puma, Stephano, Moonglade... Idra: - placed Top10 at MLG Anaheim where the only notable players he beat were Sheth and maybe Sjow... - second at "Oddysey cup" where he lost to the only other top progamer who participated, Sen. (third was Axslav...) Even if I forgot something on Idra's side I think it's safe to say that Mana has had better results lately. There is your facts. More MaNa. NA will never give him any love it seems. =( | ||
NonY
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 20 2011 04:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Lets break down the last 8-10 weeks: Mana: - won several european online cups. - qualified for IEM Guangzhou as one of 4 players in europe - third at Shoutcraft Invitational (beat Kas and White-Ra, lost to Morrow) - placed third in IPL2 where he beat Thorzain and Idra (!) - placed second in Assembly where he beat Huk, Nada, Brat_ok... - is Top4 so far in an impressive run at IEM Cologne where he beat Puma, Stephano, Moonglade... Idra: - placed Top10 at MLG Anaheim where the only notable players he beat were Sheth and maybe Sjow... - second at "Oddysey cup" where he lost to the only other top progamer who participated, Sen. (third was Axslav...) Even if I forgot something on Idra's side I think it's safe to say that Mana has had better results lately. There is your facts. LOL, oh wow now we're using incredibly small time periods to try and prove a point like it isnt completely fallacious? wow. | ||
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