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On August 20 2011 13:16 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 09:48 Doodsmack wrote:On August 20 2011 08:00 Uncultured wrote:On August 20 2011 03:59 Doodsmack wrote:On August 20 2011 03:57 Hardigan wrote:On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical. It would only be hypocritical if he didn't believe them to be worse, as he does others. He does though, he just doesn't voice this opinion. We're arguing technicalities here, the point is when he uses language such as "he shouldn't be wasting his time with sc2" (in reference to Drewbie), the implications for half of his own team are not very positive. It's just IdrA being IdrA...I find it even more hilarious when Rekrul basically said the same about Artosis and himself (IdrA) in his Foreigners Suck series back in BW, they both got quite defensive and testy about the whole thing, but now they have no problem saying the same about their peers in SC2 lol.
Oh? Do please show us how they were defensive.
God these threads turn to such fucking shit every time IdrA is mentioned. It's not the fans that do it either, it's the people who feel the need to point out contradictions of someone's opinion of which they obviously do not care about anyway.
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IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
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On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
Yup. Either he makes comments like these just to stir up controversy, or he lacks good judgement of other players as it is clouded by his emotions.
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On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
wt....
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On August 20 2011 13:52 FortyOzs wrote:
"Idra being Idra" is annoying. It's like an excuse for him to act like a 14 year old and bash people who are performing better than him, it's stupid.
That's why people like idra, no1 really likes idra for his generic macro and mediocre everything else play... aka a worse version of ret...
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Idra said Nestea is terrible - he has won 3 gsl's
Idra said Huk is terrible - he is the most accomplished foreigner
Idra said Mana is terrible - and then he 2-0's by far the best player on EG who is also a Korean - WITHOUT cheesing - and he won easily
Idra's perception of skill depends on 2 things -
1. Was he good at SC1?
2. Does he play protoss?
Those are not effective ways to measure SC2 skill. Nobody should be taking what Idra says seriously - he's a joke
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On August 20 2011 17:26 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this) Yup. Either he makes comments like these just to stir up controversy, or he lacks good judgement of other players as it is clouded by his emotions.
And there you have it. I'm sure some is lacking good judgement, but the dude knows how to play a crowd.
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On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
He said that after his 1st win which he attributed to just being able to hold off MKPs all-ins. He knows Nestea is good now.
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On August 20 2011 17:33 Loodah wrote:
Idra said Nestea is terrible - he has won 3 gsl's
Idra said Huk is terrible - he is the most accomplished foreigner
Idra said Mana is terrible - and then he 2-0's by far the best player on EG who is also a Korean - WITHOUT cheesing - and he won easily
Idra's perception of skill depends on 2 things -
1. Was he good at SC1?
2. Does he play protoss?
Those are not effective ways to measure SC2 skill. Nobody should be taking what Idra says seriously - he's a joke
nestea was godly at SC1 though
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On August 20 2011 17:44 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:33 Loodah wrote:
Idra said Nestea is terrible - he has won 3 gsl's
Idra said Huk is terrible - he is the most accomplished foreigner
Idra said Mana is terrible - and then he 2-0's by far the best player on EG who is also a Korean - WITHOUT cheesing - and he won easily
Idra's perception of skill depends on 2 things -
1. Was he good at SC1?
2. Does he play protoss?
Those are not effective ways to measure SC2 skill. Nobody should be taking what Idra says seriously - he's a joke nestea was godly at SC1 though
LOL nope.
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Isnt it obvious!?
Idra is hyping up a rivalry between him and mana. And in 6months.....
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On August 20 2011 17:44 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:33 Loodah wrote:
Idra said Nestea is terrible - he has won 3 gsl's
Idra said Huk is terrible - he is the most accomplished foreigner
Idra said Mana is terrible - and then he 2-0's by far the best player on EG who is also a Korean - WITHOUT cheesing - and he won easily
Idra's perception of skill depends on 2 things -
1. Was he good at SC1?
2. Does he play protoss?
Those are not effective ways to measure SC2 skill. Nobody should be taking what Idra says seriously - he's a joke nestea was godly at SC1 though
You're joking right?
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How can people always find something to get upset about hahaha
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On August 20 2011 17:58 Loodah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:44 farnham wrote:On August 20 2011 17:33 Loodah wrote:
Idra said Nestea is terrible - he has won 3 gsl's
Idra said Huk is terrible - he is the most accomplished foreigner
Idra said Mana is terrible - and then he 2-0's by far the best player on EG who is also a Korean - WITHOUT cheesing - and he won easily
Idra's perception of skill depends on 2 things -
1. Was he good at SC1?
2. Does he play protoss?
Those are not effective ways to measure SC2 skill. Nobody should be taking what Idra says seriously - he's a joke nestea was godly at SC1 though You're joking right?
From a foreigner standpoint, he probably could be classified as godly at BW. 
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i will be 100% fine if they do a Imbalanced episode on the BlueFlame Hellion... but if they don't mention the infestor (which every terran almost thinks is broken, including me but i am 100% bias'd so don't take that for anything) they will lose so much credibility.
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On August 20 2011 17:34 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:26 Chicane wrote:On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this) Yup. Either he makes comments like these just to stir up controversy, or he lacks good judgement of other players as it is clouded by his emotions. And there you have it. I'm sure some is lacking good judgement, but the dude knows how to play a crowd.
Don't over estimate the guy, it's just a bm player who wouldn't see a good player if he got beat 5-0 by one.
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On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
Exactly..
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On August 20 2011 18:07 GoKu` wrote:
i will be 100% fine if they do a Imbalanced episode on the BlueFlame Hellion... but if they don't mention the infestor (which every terran almost thinks is broken, including me but i am 100% bias'd so don't take that for anything) they will lose so much credibility.
But the infestor doesnt make zerg overpowered. Just look at the statistics for Terrans in Korea. They are winning 60%+. You just need to keep your marines spread before an engagement and you can also lead a push with your tanks instead of a clumped ball of marines. You can also use ghosts lategame to Emp infestors + nukes + broodlord sniping.
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On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this)
This isn't entirely accurate. IdrA said Nestea was bad at the begging of his sc2 career (which was true because he had very little experience) but then IdrA said that once Nestea won a GSL he worked very hard to improve and he is very skilled now.
Honestly, why do people take things so seriously and are so quick to judge?
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On August 20 2011 17:41 Shaetan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 17:15 MarKeD wrote:
IdrA has said Nestea is terrible after he won a gsl. Why would you take any of his judgements on other players skill seriously? (don't actually answer this) He said that after his 1st win which he attributed to just being able to hold off MKPs all-ins. He knows Nestea is good now.
You do know Nestea went undefeated in all the previous rounds, and only dropped games in the final? I don't really see how IdrA can say he was bad after a run like that.
And you guys should really give less shit about what IdrA says concerning other players. I don't know if he just has absurdly high standards when it comes to judging other players, or he's clouded by jealousy or by some other bias, but he's definitely not the best judge of skill.
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