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Hi everyone,, i have problem and i hope you guys can help me a little bit:
I am still stucked in bronze for like months now,, and i am only playing against silver, gold, and sometimes even plat for weeks now and i am winning like 75% of these matches but i am not promoting..
the last 2 weeks i have played like 50 matches and against 4-5 bronze players, the others are all silver or higher skilled players, but i am not getting promoted no matter how much of these matches i am winning, for example: yesterday i played 8 matches and won them all,, only 1 bronze player. but still not getting promoted.
do anybody knows what i am doing wrong??
This REALLY pisses me off.
grtz Rick "Cheprus" van Gils
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Why are people so obsessed with discussing the validity of what Idra said? Its quite obvious his statements are more directed at the race Protoss than the players playing that race. He's been calling Huk bad for a year now and hesitated to give him any credit even after his two tourney wins earlier this year.
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On August 20 2011 03:59 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:57 Hardigan wrote:On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical.
It would only be hypocritical if he didn't believe them to be worse, as he does others. He does though, he just doesn't voice this opinion.
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On August 20 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 04:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On August 20 2011 03:41 Werk wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I don't think "pretty sure" cuts it when everyone else is posting facts. I have to side with the people supporting idra on this one Lets break down the last 8-10 weeks:Mana: - won several european online cups. - qualified for IEM Guangzhou as one of 4 players in europe - third at Shoutcraft Invitational (beat Kas and White-Ra, lost to Morrow) - placed third in IPL2 where he beat Thorzain and Idra (!) - placed second in Assembly where he beat Huk, Nada, Brat_ok... - is Top4 so far in an impressive run at IEM Cologne where he beat Puma, Stephano, Moonglade... Idra: - placed Top10 at MLG Anaheim where the only notable players he beat were Sheth and maybe Sjow... - second at "Oddysey cup" where he lost to the only other top progamer who participated, Sen. (third was Axslav...) Even if I forgot something on Idra's side I think it's safe to say that Mana has had better results lately. There is your facts. LOL, oh wow now we're using incredibly small time periods to try and prove a point like it isnt completely fallacious? wow.
The point is fallacious because he's only taking in the past 3 months of time? Well the point he is making is that Mana has been doing a lot better in the past 3 months. Learn to read dude.
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On August 20 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 04:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On August 20 2011 03:41 Werk wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I don't think "pretty sure" cuts it when everyone else is posting facts. I have to side with the people supporting idra on this one Lets break down the last 8-10 weeks:Mana: - won several european online cups. - qualified for IEM Guangzhou as one of 4 players in europe - third at Shoutcraft Invitational (beat Kas and White-Ra, lost to Morrow) - placed third in IPL2 where he beat Thorzain and Idra (!) - placed second in Assembly where he beat Huk, Nada, Brat_ok... - is Top4 so far in an impressive run at IEM Cologne where he beat Puma, Stephano, Moonglade... Idra: - placed Top10 at MLG Anaheim where the only notable players he beat were Sheth and maybe Sjow... - second at "Oddysey cup" where he lost to the only other top progamer who participated, Sen. (third was Axslav...) Even if I forgot something on Idra's side I think it's safe to say that Mana has had better results lately. There is your facts. LOL, oh wow now we're using incredibly small time periods to try and prove a point like it isnt completely fallacious? wow.
Thats because we were talking about recent performances...? (The actual state of the game you know?)
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LOL at people seriously arguing that Idra is better than Mana o.o Mana beat Idra in IPL, got second at Assembly (knocking out Huk and Nada), qualified for the IEM China event, and now top 4 in IEM Cologne (beating Puma on the way there).
Tbh I'd like to see some European invites in MLG because the open bracket is just too unforgiving and the real European pros don't seem to want to go there unless they're already seeded. I think if MLG got some of the players like Mana, Dimaga, Thorzain, Kas, Nerchio and Stephano there the Koreans would have a much harder time getting top 6.
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On August 20 2011 08:12 Choboo wrote:
LOL at people seriously arguing that Idra is better than Mana o.o Mana beat Idra in IPL, got second at Assembly (knocking out Huk and Nada), qualified for the IEM China event, and now top 4 in IEM Cologne (beating Puma on the way there).
Tbh I'd like to see some European invites in MLG because the open bracket is just too unforgiving and the real European pros don't seem to want to go there unless they're already seeded. I think if MLG got some of the players like Mana, Dimaga, Thorzain, Kas, Nerchio and Stephano there the Koreans would have a much harder time getting top 6.
didnt idra beat mana in the previous ipl? win an mlg, also qualified for iem china and top 4 us invitational.
we can all pull random stats out our ass, people will just support who they want to support. arguing is a waste of everyones time
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On August 20 2011 08:18 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:12 Choboo wrote:
LOL at people seriously arguing that Idra is better than Mana o.o Mana beat Idra in IPL, got second at Assembly (knocking out Huk and Nada), qualified for the IEM China event, and now top 4 in IEM Cologne (beating Puma on the way there).
Tbh I'd like to see some European invites in MLG because the open bracket is just too unforgiving and the real European pros don't seem to want to go there unless they're already seeded. I think if MLG got some of the players like Mana, Dimaga, Thorzain, Kas, Nerchio and Stephano there the Koreans would have a much harder time getting top 6. didnt idra beat mana in the previous ipl? win an mlg, also qualified for iem china and top 4 us invitational. we can all pull random stats out our ass, people will just support who they want to support. arguing is a waste of everyones time
I don't want to get involved but the previous IPL was NA only. So was US invitational. The top 4 there were the only real pros at the event  .
Anyway Mana/Idra/whoever are all good. There's no real doubt about that. This is like a epeen measuring contest but instead of measuring your own you measure the player you behind and try act as if that's your own. It's just silly.
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On August 20 2011 08:18 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:12 Choboo wrote:
LOL at people seriously arguing that Idra is better than Mana o.o Mana beat Idra in IPL, got second at Assembly (knocking out Huk and Nada), qualified for the IEM China event, and now top 4 in IEM Cologne (beating Puma on the way there).
Tbh I'd like to see some European invites in MLG because the open bracket is just too unforgiving and the real European pros don't seem to want to go there unless they're already seeded. I think if MLG got some of the players like Mana, Dimaga, Thorzain, Kas, Nerchio and Stephano there the Koreans would have a much harder time getting top 6. didnt idra beat mana in the previous ipl? win an mlg, also qualified for iem china and top 4 us invitational. we can all pull random stats out our ass, people will just support who they want to support. arguing is a waste of everyones time
Your thinking NASL, Mana wasn't in the first ipl.
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On August 20 2011 08:18 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:12 Choboo wrote:
LOL at people seriously arguing that Idra is better than Mana o.o Mana beat Idra in IPL, got second at Assembly (knocking out Huk and Nada), qualified for the IEM China event, and now top 4 in IEM Cologne (beating Puma on the way there).
Tbh I'd like to see some European invites in MLG because the open bracket is just too unforgiving and the real European pros don't seem to want to go there unless they're already seeded. I think if MLG got some of the players like Mana, Dimaga, Thorzain, Kas, Nerchio and Stephano there the Koreans would have a much harder time getting top 6. didnt idra beat mana in the previous ipl? win an mlg, also qualified for iem china and top 4 us invitational. we can all pull random stats out our ass, people will just support who they want to support. arguing is a waste of everyones time
Mana wasn't in the previous IPL since it was NA only. His MLG win was in 2010 when he still was in Korea practicing so not really relevant and he qualified for IEM Cologne not China and the Cologne qualifier was a time ago.
All the tournaments I mentioned was recent (1 month-2 months) while all Idra's achievements are more than 4 months old, apart from the NA bnet invitational but really he got invited and won 2 matches (against dde and TT1), doesn't really say anything tbh.
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Idra is a lesser player to Mana atm the results back it up anything else is just flaws knowledge. Mana has reached a new level Idra has yet to reach.
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Man, you guys care way too much about what Idra says. This thread is why he says things like this.
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On August 20 2011 08:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
Man, you guys care way too much about what Idra says. This thread is why he says things like this.
Idra is gonna be Idra. Everyone gets that. I just think it is silly that he very rarely gets called out for things. Like I said it would have been nice for someone on the show to say to him "if you think mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Obviously Incontrol and Artosis would never do this, that doesn't preclude someone else from it though.
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On August 20 2011 08:00 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:59 Doodsmack wrote:On August 20 2011 03:57 Hardigan wrote:On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical. It would only be hypocritical if he didn't believe them to be worse, as he does others. He does though, he just doesn't voice this opinion.
We're arguing technicalities here, the point is when he uses language such as "he shouldn't be wasting his time with sc2" (in reference to Drewbie), the implications for half of his own team are not very positive.
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On August 20 2011 09:48 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:00 Uncultured wrote:On August 20 2011 03:59 Doodsmack wrote:On August 20 2011 03:57 Hardigan wrote:On August 20 2011 03:49 Duravi wrote:On August 20 2011 03:37 ReignFayth wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Pretty sure Mana has had much better results than Idra in the past 3 months I think it isn't even about Idra vs. Mana. He is sitting across the room from a bunch of teammates with no results even close to Mana, and then proceeds to bash the hell out of Mana. Someone on the show should ask him "Well if you think Mana is garbage what are your thoughts on Incontrol and Machine?" Of course he won't bash them but it will clearly illustrate his hypocrisy. It's his Teammates. Naturally he won't bash them and he shouldn't Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical. It would only be hypocritical if he didn't believe them to be worse, as he does others. He does though, he just doesn't voice this opinion. We're arguing technicalities here, the point is when he uses language such as "he shouldn't be wasting his time with sc2" (in reference to Drewbie), the implications for half of his own team are not very positive.
It's just IdrA being IdrA...I find it even more hilarious when Rekrul basically said the same about Artosis and himself (IdrA) in his Foreigners Suck series back in BW, they both got quite defensive and testy about the whole thing, but now they have no problem saying the same about their peers in SC2 lol.
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"Idra being Idra" is annoying. It's like an excuse for him to act like a 14 year old and bash people who are performing better than him, it's stupid.
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On August 20 2011 13:52 FortyOzs wrote:
"Idra being Idra" is annoying. It's like an excuse for him to act like a 14 year old and bash people who are performing better than him, it's stupid.
So don't invite him on your talk show.
Seriously, you have a problem with the guy's attitude. He goes over the line when expressing his opinion. Where someone like Tyler might say "player X's PvZ isn't strong and I don't like his chances of taking out player Y", Idra is just going to say "Player X is terrible. But If he wins it's because of some abusive strat."
Talk shows always have a mix of opinions. Tyler is my favorite pillar for his awesome insights and JP rubs me the wrong way sometimes with his hosting style, but I'm not gonna pretend that the show would be good if everyone was like Tyler and JP was gone.
In fact, that would probably sound like 3 hours of silence. 
People do call Idra out from time to time and he will elaborate more on his opinions. Nobody called him out on Mana on the show. Maybe that should have happened, I dunno. Ask the others why they didn't. Don't ask Idra not to say it in the first place.
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On August 20 2011 13:52 FortyOzs wrote:
"Idra being Idra" is annoying. It's like an excuse for him to act like a 14 year old and bash people who are performing better than him, it's stupid.
It's stupid, but more importantly entertaining.
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On August 20 2011 07:52 Cheprus wrote:
Hi everyone,, i have problem and i hope you guys can help me a little bit:
I am still stucked in bronze for like months now,, and i am only playing against silver, gold, and sometimes even plat for weeks now and i am winning like 75% of these matches but i am not promoting..
the last 2 weeks i have played like 50 matches and against 4-5 bronze players, the others are all silver or higher skilled players, but i am not getting promoted no matter how much of these matches i am winning, for example: yesterday i played 8 matches and won them all,, only 1 bronze player. but still not getting promoted.
do anybody knows what i am doing wrong??
This REALLY pisses me off.
grtz Rick "Cheprus" van Gils
I have no idea why your posting this in the state of the game thread. If you search "promotion" you should find a million threads about this. I also this think one covers it well:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273
The short answer is your win/loss ratio needs to stabilize to 50% before you will be promoted.
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On August 20 2011 16:35 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 13:52 FortyOzs wrote:
"Idra being Idra" is annoying. It's like an excuse for him to act like a 14 year old and bash people who are performing better than him, it's stupid. It's stupid, but more importantly entertaining.
This guy knows what's up.
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