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On August 19 2011 12:34 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. So you want Idra to call Incontrol bad? No offense, but these guys can say whatever they feel like. They're pro-players and have much more insight into the game than we do. It's not like Incontrol thinks he's the greatest player either. He repeatedly said things like "I have no room to talk" so... pretty sure all the EG hate is irrational crap. If these guys didn't just speak their mind, this State of the Game would've been pretty boring instead of the best one ever. Plus, everytime Idra calls someone bad, they pull amazing results out of their ass. He said Nestea was terrible and he's one of the best in the world. I just think your initial comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. Might as well replace it with "I hate EG."
I agree 100% they should speak their mind, that is what makes the show entertaining. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions about what they say. Of course Idra will never call Incontrol bad while they are on the same team. I just think it is a little ludicrous to be calling out players as bad when you have teamates playing the same race who are worse.
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On August 19 2011 22:36 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 12:34 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. So you want Idra to call Incontrol bad? No offense, but these guys can say whatever they feel like. They're pro-players and have much more insight into the game than we do. It's not like Incontrol thinks he's the greatest player either. He repeatedly said things like "I have no room to talk" so... pretty sure all the EG hate is irrational crap. If these guys didn't just speak their mind, this State of the Game would've been pretty boring instead of the best one ever. Plus, everytime Idra calls someone bad, they pull amazing results out of their ass. He said Nestea was terrible and he's one of the best in the world. I just think your initial comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. Might as well replace it with "I hate EG." I agree 100% they should speak their mind, that is what makes the show entertaining. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions about what they say. Of course Idra will never call Incontrol bad while they are on the same team. I just think it is a little ludicrous to be calling out players as bad when you have teamates playing the same race who are worse.
Idra has called machine and lzgamer bad multiple times on sotg.
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On August 19 2011 23:10 zzdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:36 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 12:34 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. So you want Idra to call Incontrol bad? No offense, but these guys can say whatever they feel like. They're pro-players and have much more insight into the game than we do. It's not like Incontrol thinks he's the greatest player either. He repeatedly said things like "I have no room to talk" so... pretty sure all the EG hate is irrational crap. If these guys didn't just speak their mind, this State of the Game would've been pretty boring instead of the best one ever. Plus, everytime Idra calls someone bad, they pull amazing results out of their ass. He said Nestea was terrible and he's one of the best in the world. I just think your initial comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. Might as well replace it with "I hate EG." I agree 100% they should speak their mind, that is what makes the show entertaining. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions about what they say. Of course Idra will never call Incontrol bad while they are on the same team. I just think it is a little ludicrous to be calling out players as bad when you have teamates playing the same race who are worse. Idra has called machine and lzgamer bad multiple times on sotg.
When he says that he's usually joking, the EG guys have been making fun of Machine since BW. When IdrA talks about MaNa and other players, he actually means it.
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On August 19 2011 13:14 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 12:59 Astro-Penguin wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. Honestly considering Idra called Naniwa an average protoss at best I think we can safely say he is biased when it comes to recgonizing the skill of anyone who dosen't play zerg. Well he's always been cocky. Idra probably thinks he's #2 in the world behind Nestea, and that's only begrudgingly acknowledging how good Nestea is.
Idra has called Nestea bad in a public interview before, I really he thinks anybody is better than him lol
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On August 19 2011 23:21 eourcs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 23:10 zzdd wrote:On August 19 2011 22:36 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 12:34 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. So you want Idra to call Incontrol bad? No offense, but these guys can say whatever they feel like. They're pro-players and have much more insight into the game than we do. It's not like Incontrol thinks he's the greatest player either. He repeatedly said things like "I have no room to talk" so... pretty sure all the EG hate is irrational crap. If these guys didn't just speak their mind, this State of the Game would've been pretty boring instead of the best one ever. Plus, everytime Idra calls someone bad, they pull amazing results out of their ass. He said Nestea was terrible and he's one of the best in the world. I just think your initial comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. Might as well replace it with "I hate EG." I agree 100% they should speak their mind, that is what makes the show entertaining. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions about what they say. Of course Idra will never call Incontrol bad while they are on the same team. I just think it is a little ludicrous to be calling out players as bad when you have teamates playing the same race who are worse. Idra has called machine and lzgamer bad multiple times on sotg. When he says that he's usually joking, the EG guys have been making fun of Machine since BW. When IdrA talks about MaNa and other players, he actually means it.
Also, he didn't just call Mana bad, he said he 'doesn't deserve to win games' in a serious way.
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Wow people still take Idra seriously? lol he also said Drewbie shouldn't waste his time playing SC2, apparently not thinking about what that meant for half of EG.
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On August 20 2011 01:51 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 23:21 eourcs wrote:On August 19 2011 23:10 zzdd wrote:On August 19 2011 22:36 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 12:34 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. So you want Idra to call Incontrol bad? No offense, but these guys can say whatever they feel like. They're pro-players and have much more insight into the game than we do. It's not like Incontrol thinks he's the greatest player either. He repeatedly said things like "I have no room to talk" so... pretty sure all the EG hate is irrational crap. If these guys didn't just speak their mind, this State of the Game would've been pretty boring instead of the best one ever. Plus, everytime Idra calls someone bad, they pull amazing results out of their ass. He said Nestea was terrible and he's one of the best in the world. I just think your initial comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. Might as well replace it with "I hate EG." I agree 100% they should speak their mind, that is what makes the show entertaining. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions about what they say. Of course Idra will never call Incontrol bad while they are on the same team. I just think it is a little ludicrous to be calling out players as bad when you have teamates playing the same race who are worse. Idra has called machine and lzgamer bad multiple times on sotg. When he says that he's usually joking, the EG guys have been making fun of Machine since BW. When IdrA talks about MaNa and other players, he actually means it. Also, he didn't just call Mana bad, he said he 'doesn't deserve to win games' in a serious way. Having a grudge from BW? No way!
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IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good".
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On August 20 2011 01:39 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 13:14 Condor Hero wrote:On August 19 2011 12:59 Astro-Penguin wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. Honestly considering Idra called Naniwa an average protoss at best I think we can safely say he is biased when it comes to recgonizing the skill of anyone who dosen't play zerg. Well he's always been cocky. Idra probably thinks he's #2 in the world behind Nestea, and that's only begrudgingly acknowledging how good Nestea is. Idra has called Nestea bad in a public interview before, I really he thinks anybody is better than him lol
Yeah let's use quotes from oktober 2010 please.
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On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good".
Your logic would hold if Idra had said something like "Mana isn't good enough to win major tournaments." However what Idra said was "Mana doesn't deserve to win games."
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On August 20 2011 01:39 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 13:14 Condor Hero wrote:On August 19 2011 12:59 Astro-Penguin wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. Honestly considering Idra called Naniwa an average protoss at best I think we can safely say he is biased when it comes to recgonizing the skill of anyone who dosen't play zerg. Well he's always been cocky. Idra probably thinks he's #2 in the world behind Nestea, and that's only begrudgingly acknowledging how good Nestea is. Idra has called Nestea bad in a public interview before, I really he thinks anybody is better than him lol
IdrA called NesTea bad when he was bad. And yes he was terrible back in GSL Open season 1. IdrA also said NesTea mostly lucked his way to winning Open season 2 by getting mostly ZvZs (which he was then and still is way better than anyone else). IdrA has since said that NesTea is the best player in the world.
But yes, IdrA is way biased. Not disputing that. Just wanted to clarify about NesTea.
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On August 20 2011 02:27 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Your logic would hold if Idra had said something like "Mana isn't good enough to win major tournaments." However what Idra said was "Mana doesn't deserve to win games."
That's hyperbole.
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On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good".
I don't think a player can say that another player doesn't deserve to win based on not having good results. I think it should be based on whether he can actually beat him or not. I don't know if IdrA has beaten MaNa before but he certainly didn't in the IPL. Just my 2 cents, please don't take this as a flame to IdrA or yourself <3.
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On August 20 2011 02:37 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 02:27 Doodsmack wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". Your logic would hold if Idra had said something like "Mana isn't good enough to win major tournaments." However what Idra said was "Mana doesn't deserve to win games." That's hyperbole.
No I think Idra means it literally. I don't think anyone would speak in hyperbole in 90% of their public comments. And even if it is hyperbole, the burden definitely wouldn't be on Mana to prove it wrong, since he can't really know what specifically Idra means behind the exagerration. His only natural response would be "yes of course I deserve to win games."
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I was freaking out cuz none of the links were working.... Blip.tv is down ? wth
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On August 20 2011 02:42 Megatronn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". I don't think a player can say that another player doesn't deserve to win based on not having good results. I think it should be based on whether he can actually beat him or not. I don't know if IdrA has beaten MaNa before but he certainly didn't in the IPL. Just my 2 cents, please don't takes this as a flame to IdrA or yourself <3.
According to TLPD IdrA is 8-4, http://bit.ly/ptzLyg
However that's very subjective. mOOnGLaDe just beat HuK but no one is his right mind will argue he's the better player overall only because of that. Of course I wish this could be settled with MaNa calling IdrA saying "Bo7 showmatch NOW, bitch", but you can't deny the man is entitled to an opinion and he has the results to back it up.
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On August 20 2011 01:39 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 13:14 Condor Hero wrote:On August 19 2011 12:59 Astro-Penguin wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. Honestly considering Idra called Naniwa an average protoss at best I think we can safely say he is biased when it comes to recgonizing the skill of anyone who dosen't play zerg. Well he's always been cocky. Idra probably thinks he's #2 in the world behind Nestea, and that's only begrudgingly acknowledging how good Nestea is. Idra has called Nestea bad in a public interview before, I really he thinks anybody is better than him lol
He said that after he won GSL 2. which most people would have agreed with. I doubt he even entertains the thought of Nestea being worse than him now.
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IdrA is not allowed an opinion on TL, he must only say players are amazing.
On August 20 2011 03:04 RmoteCntrld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 01:39 Fission wrote:On August 19 2011 13:14 Condor Hero wrote:On August 19 2011 12:59 Astro-Penguin wrote:On August 19 2011 12:15 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 11:14 Inky87 wrote:On August 19 2011 11:06 Duravi wrote:On August 19 2011 10:37 mprs wrote:Nada not doing well, he got 2-0'd by Mana who is terrible!!!! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +Idra got 3-2 by mana in IPL =P Sometimes Idra is a real jackass. He calls mana terrible, but do you think for a second if Incontrol wasn't on his team he wouldn't say the same about him? What's the point of your comment? That he and all of EG are hypocritical. They won't ever call people bad who are on their team but if those players were not on it they would. Cmon, calling Mana bad but he has never said a bad word about incontrol? If anything, Incontrol plays a far more abusive style and is much less successful. It is total bullshit that they give mana no credit. Honestly considering Idra called Naniwa an average protoss at best I think we can safely say he is biased when it comes to recgonizing the skill of anyone who dosen't play zerg. Well he's always been cocky. Idra probably thinks he's #2 in the world behind Nestea, and that's only begrudgingly acknowledging how good Nestea is. Idra has called Nestea bad in a public interview before, I really he thinks anybody is better than him lol He said that after he won GSL 2. which most people would have agreed with. I doubt he even entertains the thought of Nestea being worse than him now.
Idra has repeatedly said NesTea is by far the best zerg.
But haters (see the guy who posted below me as an example) seem to ignore this and want to spam what he said over 6 months ago to make him look bad.
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Idra is the best player in the world.
Only reason he loses is because something is "imba to zerg" or "I played shitty"
BUT OTHERWISE he can't be stopped.
/sarcasm
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On August 20 2011 02:57 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 02:42 Megatronn wrote:On August 20 2011 01:59 Soap wrote:
IdrA won a MLG, a IPL and made to GSL Code S Ro8, according to Liquipedia MaNa never won anything significant. It's up to MaNa to prove him wrong. This argument is a waste of time anyway, given recent tournament results no one outside of Korea can be considered "good". I don't think a player can say that another player doesn't deserve to win based on not having good results. I think it should be based on whether he can actually beat him or not. I don't know if IdrA has beaten MaNa before but he certainly didn't in the IPL. Just my 2 cents, please don't takes this as a flame to IdrA or yourself <3. According to TLPD IdrA is 8-4, http://bit.ly/ptzLygHowever that's very subjective. mOOnGLaDe just beat HuK but no one is his right mind will argue he's the better player overall only because of that. Of course I wish this could be settled with MaNa calling IdrA saying "Bo7 showmatch NOW, bitch", but you can't deny the man is entitled to an opinion and he has the results to back it up.
Thanks for that info. I just think IdrA has a bad attitude sometimes and doesn't acknowledge other good players. I'm a fan of his great play, not his attitude xD.
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