Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 103

On October 19 2010 04:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Why the FUCK do I need to accomplish more than Select to say on a podcast that he did 1 build in a bunch of TvP's and it won't carry him forever? It was fucking common sense but obviously it was worth noting that a player who did EXTREMELY WELL did so in a mu where he did the same thing over and over... obviously it is MY JOB to say more than "well he did fantastic. And I am in no position to say anything otherwise because he has done more than I have in terms of results in SC2."

On October 19 2010 04:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
It gets REAL OLD being on a podcast I do for fun (no compensation, no obligation etc) and catching shit from people who literally cannot pull their own head from their own ass.

On October 19 2010 04:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
In the future, I might even fucking criticize fruitdealer. I've already teased IdrA. I call NonY a robot and he has "done more than" me as well. Can we fucking PLEASE stop pretending that in order to discuss players on a talk show in a less than glaringly positive fashion we must be better than them? Nobody tells Bob Costas to shut the fuck up even though he has NEVER PLAYED ANY OF THESE SPORTS. Nobody dials into a local radio show when they are bitching about Seahawk management and goes "YOU'VE NEVER MANAGED A NFL TEAM SHUT THE FUCK UP."

So why is it in eSports when I make a pretty god damn obvious remark and criticism like "hey, playing 1 build in a mu won't get you much further.. people will adapt" becomes some giant flame from an inferior player?

On October 19 2010 05:30 SiguR wrote:
The podcast is not made for your self expression and emotional liberty.

On October 19 2010 05:30 xDaunt wrote:


Well, to be fair, terrans have been abusing MMM against protoss since early beta. Unless Blizzard actually makes some balance changes in PvT to discourage MMM use or encourage other types of play, I doubt that this will change. As lots of people have noted in various places, protoss does not have a build or strategy that can force a terran off of MMM and into something else. As far as I am concerned, that's the lamest part of the PvT matchup. MMM simply works against most everything protoss has. Anything that MMM does not work against is easily beaten by cranking out vikings from a reactored starport, which the terran will already have.

In short, I see no reason why select can't keep whoring his one build, executing it well, and succeeding in the future in tournaments against top protoss players.


Honestly, you're the best thing going on that podcast. Ignore all the retards. Besides, the podcast is free advertising for you and your coaching. Don't pretend that being there doesn't pay for itself.

On October 19 2010 04:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Have you listened to previous podcasts?

Do I strike you as the kind of guy who sees a players do a build in 7 mu's and goes "oh wow it worked so well. I am so glad for his 2nd place finish. Hopefully some day I can find that build and finish in 2nd place!"

OR

Do you think I'd be the kind of guy WHO LITERALLY SAID(says) "He did extremely well and nobody can take that away from him. But if he does the same thing in every game good players will adapt and it will stop working." I go on to explain that Huk/Kiwi are ever evolving and I don't think they simply have no answer for what select did. WHY THE HELL is it so important we stick to simply 100% commending Select for taking 2nd off the back of a single build in TvP? I said it was awesome and then I moved on to discuss a criticism... as it is a talk show.

All the "flaming" bullshit and "incontrol isn't as good he has no right to talk about him blah blah" is such utter trash I will literally sit here for 5 minutes and thor smash any idiot that even suggests otherwise. If this was a news cast then 1000000000000000000000% YES it would be completely wrong of me to say anything of that level. But this is a personality generated podcast about opinionated SC2 players IN THE KNOW talking about other SC2 players/events etc. I am sick and tired of doing 100% what I am supposed to be doing ON THE SIDE (8-10 hours of training/coaching a day) to do a podcast and hear people complain that incontrol was less than positive about X.

btw he will change up his play and he will do fantastically well as he is a fantastic player. I merely made conversation on something that nony/idra agreed with and any other player worth a fucking grain of salt would identify about as fast as they'd blink.

On October 19 2010 05:37 Dental Floss wrote:
I think day9 once said that the biggest step forward he took as a caster and "community personality" was not responding directly to criticism that was posted on the Internet. Just throwing that out there...

On October 19 2010 05:44 Mortecian wrote:
Having dealt with public relations before, I can say its very taxing as you tend to focus on the negative rather than the positive. People who like it tend to mention it either as to avoid being brown nosers so you get stuck with the most negative random comments made by angsty thirteen y-olds from across the globe.

This State of the Game is for free and wouldn't be the same without InControl. He's smart, intelligent, can lead a conversation, do good arguments and just plain fun to hear. Please keep doing it and just avoid these .. they really arent worth your time.

On October 19 2010 05:30 SiguR wrote:

You're ignoring a lot of what has been said in the last few pages. A lot of the people 'complaining' aren't doing so because you they dont think you are qualified to have an opinion on the topic. They are complaining because they don't tune in to hear a relatively one sided bashing of a decent guy. Teasing idra and nony, people you have known for years, is nowhere near the same as teasing select, someone you don't really know and an outsider to the community with no voice to explain or defend himself.

It doesn't matter how far removed we are from the 'situation'. We listen to the podcast and we have every right to explain why we might not approve of some of the discussion that occurs on the podcast You can't possibly think that because we aren't personally involved with the event that we are out of place to relay our impressions of the podcast. You need to take the criticism with the understanding that we aren't deeply involved, not the other way around. The podcast is made for the people that aren't involved to listen to and comment on. The podcast is not made for your self expression and emotional liberty.



Again, if you've read a lot of the criticisms (which you clearly haven't) you'd know the problem is not what you are saying, it's how/when/where you're saying it. As a completely unbiased listener, at the absolute least, I got the impression that you felt SelecT didn't deserve his success at the tournament. That I got that impression is an indisputable fact. If you get worked up about people misinterpreting what you are saying and you find that people are suspecting hostility when you didn't mean to put any forward, the onus is on you to control your tone of voice and the impression you leave on people.

Believe it or not, intelligent adults are capable of getting an impression from a conversation that goes deeper than the words being said. Don't expect a few insincere and flat compliments towards select to outweigh the disproportionate amount of criticism he received. Saying "oh he's a great player" in your public relations voice and then claiming with vehemence that his playstyle is inadequate and that his successes in the TL opens means little isn't going to make anyone think you have positive feelings towards him.