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Starcraft 2 with Razer Megalodon 7.1?

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TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 16 2010 19:19 GMT
#1
hey all, i busted my creative fatal1ty gaming headset a few months back and have been waiting and waiting and waiting for the Razer Banshee headset to be released or to atleast hear some insight on it... well i've been searchingfor info on this headset and it seems to me that it's not going to be 7.1 surround sound... and i deffinately want that so.

my question is... does anyone out there use the Megalodon with Starcraft 2? and does the 7.1 surround sound work with starcraft 2 in windows 7 64bit? how does it sound just wondering if i should continue to stick it out for the banshee or if i should go for the megalodon... any insight on these specific questions please... thanks ~Blitz
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 16 2010 19:28 GMT
#2
also.... to add how does this headset perform if your using a program such as ventrilo or skype AND starcraft 2 at the same time?? say i have it set for 7.1 but i'm using skype or ventrilo while gaming does this cause a conflict because these programs don't support 7.1 or are you still able to use them while gaming on sc2 in 7.1 and hear them both properly with no problems??
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
August 16 2010 19:30 GMT
#3
Imo, headsets are not razers strong point. I definitely like their mice but I've tried quite a few headsets (with css, not starcraft although I don't think a good headset really matters at all in starcraft.) If you want to spend that much, sennheiser HD 555's are the best headphones you'll get. Otherwise I'd save some money and buy steelseries 5H v2's or even siberias ;\

Now I just realized I didn't answer your specific questions;p No I haven't tried it on starcraft 2 and I would rather wait for the banshee than use the megalodon^^
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
August 16 2010 19:31 GMT
#4
If you're going to get a headset I'd go for either Astros or Sennheisers. I have a pair of astros from my shooter days and they're excellent.
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Pinkie
Profile Joined May 2010
United States145 Posts
August 16 2010 20:39 GMT
#5
I use a Sennheiser PC 350 headset and it is amazing. Durable, amazing sound in everything, and comfortable( a big thing for me is comfort).

HD 555's dont have a mic, and I think Astros are more for console gamers but thats my opinion.
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 16 2010 20:48 GMT
#6
i'm actually interested in a usb headset as opposed to an analog just because i don't have a high end stand alone sound card... so the megalodon was my first choice when it came to 7.1 surround sound gaming and a headset... i'm interested in the fact of 7.1 surround sound and starcraft 2 i know theres not much surround sound involved in the game itself but i'd like if anyone who has the megalodon and plays starcraft 2 let me know what there experience is with 7.1 surround sound does it support starcraft 2? and can you use ventrilo/skype at the same time as having 7.1 enabled on the megalodon?
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
August 16 2010 20:53 GMT
#7
love my razer carcharias beyond words. It could sound like shit, which it doesnt, and id still wear it when gaming purely for epic comfort.
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
August 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#8
actually, i had HUGE problems with it on sc2 - at first i thought my pc was broke or BNet was buggy, but it made my fps go to pretty much around 5 everything i put the headset in. As soon as i took it out fps was fine again and so forth.

Wouldn't recommend it at all - go for something that'll last more than 6 months like sennheiser :S
Odge
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden84 Posts
August 16 2010 21:02 GMT
#9
I'm using my Megalodons on Vista 32bit. Works perfectly with SC2. The 7.1 sound of Starcraft2 isn't that impressive in multiplayer as you can imagine, but it works. As for the microphone it's probably the best one I've ever had. A couple a days ago someone asked on skype what microphone I was using, and that the sound quality sounded expensive. No joke, the quality of the microphone is fantastic.

Awesome ergonomics, awesome microphone and a pretty good control module. The only thing bad about them is the price.
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 16 2010 22:02 GMT
#10
@Odge, hey man if you have the megalodon on the 7.1 surround sound while playing SC2 can you be on skype and ventrilo no problems with no lag both at the same time while the 7.1 surround sound is enabled? or when your using skype or vent do you have to cut it down to stereo?

@demuslm your megalodon wasn't working with starcraft2? was it faulty/messed up? how long did you have it for?
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
August 16 2010 22:17 GMT
#11
I have a set of Sennheiser HD 650's and a clip on mic for them

I think buying some decent headphones are the best option if you're going for pure hi-fi, most 'gaming' headsets sound like trash to someone with a good set of ears.
duBstar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States57 Posts
August 16 2010 22:30 GMT
#12
I have a pair of Megalodons and in the beta of Starcraft 2 many people who were using 7.1 - well it just didn't work and I also found out that since there were problems it was also causing framerate issues. You could switch to anything but 7.1 and the game would be fine. It wasn't just with the Megalodon though, it was with any 7.1 system.

They are perfectly fine and work great. Also, they are easily the most comfortable pair of headphones I've ever used. I would recommend them to anyone.
We are what we repeatedly do, therefore excellence is not an act but a habit.
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 16 2010 23:09 GMT
#13
@NoNa hey do they still have this problem? or are you stating the problem occured in the beta but now they work perfectly fine? also could you please answer my question asking if you have starcraft 2 in 7.1 and the megalodon in 7.1 mode not stereo, and you have ventrilo/skype open while you play starcraft 2 in 7.1 everything works okay? the vent sounds don't sound distorted or garbled?
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
August 16 2010 23:12 GMT
#14
@OP

Had the headset for like 1-2 months i guess, so they were pretty new - i didn't buy the headset myself, i was given it so i tested it out - but obviously playing sc2 with shitty frame rate (literally around 5fps) it just wasn't do-able.

Trust me, it's better to stick with brands that make headsets.
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
August 16 2010 23:15 GMT
#15
Razer is trash, especially their audio equipment. Personal experience here talking - I went through three headsets before i got fed up. I now have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster Arena and it's wonderful.


Avoid razer.
duBstar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States57 Posts
August 16 2010 23:19 GMT
#16
When you have surround sound activated on the headset and you're using vent or other things, the sound that isn't optimized for 7.1 just sounds far away, but that's because it's using all speakers.

Overall the difference is minimal and definitely shouldn't be a problem once you get used to hearing things in surround sound.
We are what we repeatedly do, therefore excellence is not an act but a habit.
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
August 17 2010 01:18 GMT
#17
On August 17 2010 08:15 Issor wrote:
Razer is trash, especially their audio equipment. Personal experience here talking - I went through three headsets before i got fed up. I now have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster Arena and it's wonderful.


Avoid razer.


Your personal experience is inadequate to make such a blanket statement. Razer makes great products, especially for the prices.

What exactly did you do to break three headsets?
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
August 17 2010 01:44 GMT
#18
if youre ever going to use your headset for anything other than gaming, i would recommend the sennheiser hd555s or some audio technicas +a clipon mic, as the audio quality is better than any gaming headsets.

sennheiser also makes a headset (pc130 i think?) thats amazingly cheap and surprisingly good
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 17 2010 02:54 GMT
#19
thinking about the sennheiser pc350
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
August 17 2010 03:40 GMT
#20
On August 17 2010 11:54 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote:
thinking about the sennheiser pc350


I've heard nothing but good things about it.

That being said, I wanted my headset mostly for gaming, so dont regret the cost. I've always absolutely detested non-integrated microphones and found them an annoyance, a miserable waste of space, another thing to knock over/lose/break, etc. In short, I despise them.

So I wanted them on my headset
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 17 2010 04:10 GMT
#21
looking at the xonar xense may wait for this combo to come out looks pretty good
Criptos
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada128 Posts
August 17 2010 04:31 GMT
#22
Hey, The OGBlitzKrieg, I have to throw in a vote for the PC350 Senhessiers, So comfy, amazing quality. Every now and then I hook them up to my PS3 and watch blu-rays. When I plug them into my AV receiver and they get all the extra power it's like a home theater on my head. Not as good on a computer, but thats the case with any pair of cans. I've had them for 2.5 years now, best purchase for my gaming rig, after my 2nd monitor.

TLDR: Highly recommend you go for PC350 you will NOT be disappointed.
Yeah, They call me the hiphop-potamus My lyrics are bottomless.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 17 2010 04:39 GMT
#23
Headphone = Sennheisers
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Odge
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden84 Posts
August 17 2010 08:20 GMT
#24
I couldn't use 7.1 in SC2 until after the first mini-patch. For some reason the 7.1 broke in phase 2 of beta and stayed that way for the first week or so after release.

7.1 and skype/vent with the megladons work, but I normally turn the 7.1 off as it get's kind of weird when you mix the 7.1 sound from SC2 and the mono from skype.

I have used clip-on mics, those long mics that you put on your desk and cheap headsets and I have to say that I hated all of them. The worst thing you can do to the sound quality is to get a 3.5 analog stereo mic. Unless you have a really good soundcard that was made for actually recording (read m-audio cards) you're going to get all kinds of interference. Once you get a USB mic you'll never go back.
slashwrist
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden6 Posts
August 17 2010 09:57 GMT
#25
Im in to using my third pair of HD595 which is awsome, but its user fault its been 3 now
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
August 17 2010 10:34 GMT
#26
If I was gonna buy a usb headset I'd pick up some g35's. Though I'm gonna stick with sr80s right now cause I get more out of them than being restricted to a usb jack.
There's no S in KT. :P
Mass1ve
Profile Joined July 2010
20 Posts
August 17 2010 11:00 GMT
#27
Dont get the megalodon, not enough bang for your buck. With the pricetag on those badboys you would expect a lot more. Let Razor stick to their mices
jp_zer0
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 11:25:24
August 17 2010 11:12 GMT
#28
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of headphone equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.

Another thing you need to know is that the audio circuitry in the typical integrated sound card is only worth 1$. You can't get much out of headphones with this. Typical Creative soundcards aren't optimal either, far from it. A proper setup should have 3 components: A DAC (digital to analog converter), an amplifier and a pair of headphones. The worst component in the chain will limit the others.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
August 17 2010 11:18 GMT
#29
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of audio equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.


Sure if you are like me and have a headphone amp to drive those much nicer headsets that are above 32 ohms. Seinheisser has some $300 set on buy for around the price of megadalon and are far far superior in every possible way. Some of the usb ones are decent like the g35 like I mentioned above if you want usb and 7.1 virtual sound.
There's no S in KT. :P
jp_zer0
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 11:33:07
August 17 2010 11:32 GMT
#30
On August 17 2010 20:18 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of audio equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.


Sure if you are like me and have a headphone amp to drive those much nicer headsets that are above 32 ohms. Seinheisser has some $300 set on buy for around the price of megadalon and are far far superior in every possible way. Some of the usb ones are decent like the g35 like I mentioned above if you want usb and 7.1 virtual sound.

Most Audio-Technica headphones don't require a beefy amp. But yeah don't buy some sennheiser HD600 or HD800 and expect them to work well with your integrated audio.

My 600ohm Beyerdynamics can get surprisingly loud when I plug them in an iPod tho. Didn't try integrated audio but should be the same.

(can't say the G35 is anywhere near decent sorry)
Fodder03
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada142 Posts
August 17 2010 11:43 GMT
#31
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Odge
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden84 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 12:52:27
August 17 2010 12:51 GMT
#32
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of headphone equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.

Another thing you need to know is that the audio circuitry in the typical integrated sound card is only worth 1$. You can't get much out of headphones with this. Typical Creative soundcards aren't optimal either, far from it. A proper setup should have 3 components: A DAC (digital to analog converter), an amplifier and a pair of headphones. The worst component in the chain will limit the others.


Yes, USB on the output is a waste. For input though you're better off with USB, you DON'T want to run any kind of unshielded cable carrying an analog signal that will be SERIOUSLY amplified before it reaches your skype partner. That 3.5 mm cable passing right next to equipment running at 500w. Without any shielding, you're bound to get some interference, and the earlier in the process you get that interference the more the interference will be amplified. Laptops and other appliances (iPhones, iPods etc) don't induce as much interference, which is why they work well with 3.5 mm analog microphones.

There is a reason why most semi-pro microphones use USB.
jp_zer0
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada48 Posts
August 17 2010 13:11 GMT
#33
On August 17 2010 21:51 Odge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of headphone equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.

Another thing you need to know is that the audio circuitry in the typical integrated sound card is only worth 1$. You can't get much out of headphones with this. Typical Creative soundcards aren't optimal either, far from it. A proper setup should have 3 components: A DAC (digital to analog converter), an amplifier and a pair of headphones. The worst component in the chain will limit the others.


Yes, USB on the output is a waste. For input though you're better off with USB, you DON'T want to run any kind of unshielded cable carrying an analog signal that will be SERIOUSLY amplified before it reaches your skype partner. That 3.5 mm cable passing right next to equipment running at 500w. Without any shielding, you're bound to get some interference, and the earlier in the process you get that interference the more the interference will be amplified. Laptops and other appliances (iPhones, iPods etc) don't induce as much interference, which is why they work well with 3.5 mm analog microphones.

There is a reason why most semi-pro microphones use USB.

Studio Microphones use analog XLR connectors. The cable is not the source of noise. It's the digital converter circuit of your computer mixed with the microphone quality.

USB microphones will seem better because they will have a half-decent digital converter in them.
Odge
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden84 Posts
August 17 2010 13:41 GMT
#34
On August 17 2010 22:11 jp_zer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 21:51 Odge wrote:
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of headphone equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.

Another thing you need to know is that the audio circuitry in the typical integrated sound card is only worth 1$. You can't get much out of headphones with this. Typical Creative soundcards aren't optimal either, far from it. A proper setup should have 3 components: A DAC (digital to analog converter), an amplifier and a pair of headphones. The worst component in the chain will limit the others.


Yes, USB on the output is a waste. For input though you're better off with USB, you DON'T want to run any kind of unshielded cable carrying an analog signal that will be SERIOUSLY amplified before it reaches your skype partner. That 3.5 mm cable passing right next to equipment running at 500w. Without any shielding, you're bound to get some interference, and the earlier in the process you get that interference the more the interference will be amplified. Laptops and other appliances (iPhones, iPods etc) don't induce as much interference, which is why they work well with 3.5 mm analog microphones.

There is a reason why most semi-pro microphones use USB.

Studio Microphones use analog XLR connectors. The cable is not the source of noise. It's the digital converter circuit of your computer mixed with the microphone quality.

USB microphones will seem better because they will have a half-decent digital converter in them.


What I'm trying to say is that for most users, a USB microphone will seriously reduce the white noise. And your 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 partners will find playing with you a lot more enjoyable. I'm not an audiophile, so I don't really care if the sound quality when gaming is not the best I can get. What I do care about is not having to spend 40 minutes in a team game with constant white noise.

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Don't want to derail the topic even more, but when I'm talking about semi-pro equipment I'm talking about $150 podcasting equipment
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 15:09:32
August 17 2010 15:08 GMT
#35
okay well i'm very interested in doing this right... so with the pc350 what would be a sound card that you guys would reccommend that would amp this bad boy up and give it the high quality sound i'm looking for... i was looking into the Xonar Xense it's not out yet looks like its specially designed for a new version of the pc350 bundled together anyone hear about this and think it's going to be the new top of the line bundle for audio equipment? i wish i could find out when it's expected
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 17 2010 20:30 GMT
#36
i ordered the PC350 and the ASUS Xonar XST i'm not goanna wait for the Xense or the banshee or get the Megalodon i read a lot of reviews and i'm thinking this is the best way to go for now... a lot of people say the PC350's are crap while some live by them so i think i'm willing to try them out especially with a nice card like the XST which has a built in AMP for the headset... i'll report back with the quality when i get it all hooked up i'm excited :D
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
August 17 2010 20:31 GMT
#37
and since i won 400 in reno this past weekend i can justivfy the cost
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 20:40:22
August 17 2010 20:38 GMT
#38
On August 17 2010 20:12 jp_zer0 wrote:
I'm a headphone enthusiast and owned 2000$+ of headphone equipment and there's a few gimmicks that almost guarantee a terrible product:

-USB
-Surround
-Wireless
-"gaming"

The science of headphones (dynamic drivers) is an old one with few innovations. The best headphone makers have been around for a long time and the "gaming headset" clique is just ripping you off. Forget about Razer, Steelseries, logitech, etc. You need to be looking at Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser, Audio-Technica, Shure, Denon, (sometimes) Sony, etc.

Another thing you need to know is that the audio circuitry in the typical integrated sound card is only worth 1$. You can't get much out of headphones with this. Typical Creative soundcards aren't optimal either, far from it. A proper setup should have 3 components: A DAC (digital to analog converter), an amplifier and a pair of headphones. The worst component in the chain will limit the others.


While you are correct a lot of people (the vast majority) don't care to spend more on a audio setup for gaming than they spent on their entire PC.

Myself I have a decent speaker system and only use a headset when I need a mic, a $80 USB headset is perfect for me regardless of whether or not your $800 setup sounds better.
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 20:40:10
August 17 2010 20:39 GMT
#39
[delete]

Accidental double post.
jp_zer0
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 01:37:00
August 19 2010 01:35 GMT
#40
On August 18 2010 00:08 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote:
okay well i'm very interested in doing this right... so with the pc350 what would be a sound card that you guys would reccommend that would amp this bad boy up and give it the high quality sound i'm looking for... i was looking into the Xonar Xense it's not out yet looks like its specially designed for a new version of the pc350 bundled together anyone hear about this and think it's going to be the new top of the line bundle for audio equipment? i wish i could find out when it's expected

HT Omega Claro Halo. Everything else is a toy if you're talking about headphones.
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