EPTDimaga may switch to Terran - Page 52
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sNes.
United States377 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On August 19 2010 09:24 Sen wrote: Zerg is fine imo . its depand on what maps we play ZvT Lost Templar <--- very hard for ZvT for example -.- Steppes of War <--- no comments this map ZvT -_- Kulas Ravine <--- lol Rofl lmao for ZvT Metalopolis <--- its like 12:00 vs 8:00 and 2:00 vs 6:00 really hard for ZvT Others i think its fine in ZvT  Almost completely agree. I also hate delta quadrant. Blizzard is just terrible at making maps for zerg. That really is most of the problem. | ||
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bevey
United States16 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:26 jambam wrote: If you actually watched him play for more than a few tournament games you would realize that he will only "all in" on maps where he knows he has a severe disadvantage. ie. lost temple. most of the time he plays standard. I Have watched all of his game look at his performance in The King of the Beta Tournament. How many times did he bling bust all in. At least twice that I can remember; and doing bling busts against that caliber of player will end in a poor win loss ratio. He does not need to do all ins to win against terran the fact that he actually practiced a chessy all in nydus worm rush for the ESL shows that he has the wrong priorities in his play. Now do not get me wrong I am not against innovation (In fact I think that the nydus rush was good if he had an economic follow through) however Dimaga is just creating new strategies that are all ins with no late game plan. Dimaga would be so much better if he would do those innovative nydus worm rushes but use that opening as a way to put pressure on the terran while he expands and drones up. Zergs are the imo strongest race when it comes to late game with Ultra/Broodlords and the ability to remax an army quickly as well as the ability to make almost any unit to deal with the oppositions army composition. In broodwar zerglings where far better than what they are in sc2 since workers have their AI improved as well as the splash on tanks, hellions, zealots being able to handle zerglings easily and wall offs being much easier to obtain meaning that you cannot expect to have a very aggressive early game vs almost any race in this game so trying to end the game with zerglings past the point where you have a lair is almost never going to happen against a skilled opponent. Also look at Dimaga's play vs HasuObs in the ESL he lost because he could not scout the 4 gate push and took alot of dmg due to it yes it was a strong push however he should have put down more spine crawlers than 1 in main and 2 at his nat. He needed to sacrifice an overlord or get an early overseer and scout it asap and react accordingly. In addition to his poor handling of the 4 gate he dropped the ball by not even teching to tier 3 his play in the first few rounds of the ESL where TERRIBLE however he did impress me with how he handled the last 2 games vs Lucifron I am just simply saying that Dimaga is blaming his race on why he is losing so much and not his mistakes. | ||
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Affluenza
United Kingdom214 Posts
On August 20 2010 00:39 bevey wrote: I am just simply saying that Dimaga is blaming his race on why he is losing so much and not his mistakes. Wrong. What you're saying is DIMAGA is wrong for doing all-in plays. The truth is...so what if he likes to do some all-in play from time to time? Why is it ok for Protoss or Terran to do all-in plays but no one calls that sort of play what you call "mistakes"? How is it a mistake to try and win certain games early? Zerg is the race where one gets punished the most for such play...if Terran or Protoss do all-in they can fall back on a nice wall off to probe/SCV up... I bet if DIMAGA switched to Terran no one would call doing all-in strats with Terran a "mistake"...I think he would get applauded actually... | ||
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clitvin
Canada19 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:18 bevey wrote: I am just simply saying that Dimaga is blaming his race on why he is losing so much and not his mistakes. The fact that he can't win like that when other races can, means the race is broken not him. Either fix it so zerg can more easily win with all ins, OR make it so that all ins for terran/toss are also extremely easy to hold off. As has been stated many times the imbalance stems from the fact that zerg can't hold a choke easily while t/p can. Lurkers would be one way to solve this situation. You cannot say the person is playing "wrong". | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On August 19 2010 22:55 Opinion wrote: This is THE worst excuse for imbalance in competitive games. Worst 2 imo 1. "It is not that X is OP, X just attracts a more mature and skilled player." 2. "X is not OP, Y just doesn't know how to play." Unless you are specifically using that classic cliche for trolling purposes, in which case, you got me... How is that trolling? I stated something reasonable and backed it up with facts. Dimaga is hardly the only zerg who is switching to terran. There are many thousands of people who take this game seriously and play to win. Playing to win at this moment means not choosing zerg. What part of what I said are you disagreeing with? It appears to be a fact that zerg players contain a smaller-than-normal amount of skilled players. This, to me, implies that the gap between T and Z will only be widened. More skilled players are working on improving reaper control and strategies, more skilled players are working on banshee harrass... fewer skilled players are working on making zerg viable. I simply think this is a factor in the equation that is worth mentioning, that's all. (btw I'm calling the zerg miracle strat now... mass infestors. don't ask me how, it'll just happen) | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:17 BadManner wrote: I may be wrong, as I didn't play BW much, but isn't the situation similar in Brood War? Wall-offs were just as common, and Terran play revolved around turtling in just the same manner. What would be the difference? It was a whole different world in BW. Zerg could fast expand very safely (the occasional perfectly-executed bunker rush could stop it). With a few sunkens and lings your base is completely safe. Then you (usually) tech to either mutas or lurkers while terran puts up his exp. Muta harrass was extremely effective, terran had to spent a lot on towers and replacement marines, it took a large bio ball to really hurt mutas. Alternatively you could contain him with lurkers and lings, while teching to dark swarm. Often you get a second expansion during this time. Eventually terran gets his large marine/medic/tank army and pushes out and this is where the real game begins. You have to try to defend your bases from a hard-to-stop bio ball with your highly mobile units, distracting and slowing him down wherever possible. Summary of BW: zerg is safe at home, zerg gets to harrass, terran NEEDS to scout zerg but not vice versa, terran has trouble vs early air, zerg is fast and mobile on the battlefield. Summary of SC2: exact opposite of the above, except when zerg finally pushes out it's with a mediocre army and not a scary-strong one. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
edit: may need to take back my statement as mech v zerg is looking pretty ridiculous. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 20 2010 18:44 aznhockeyboy16 wrote: lol, dimaga is demolishing demuslim right now since he's not trying to all-in. I think Dima's problems are with ZvP and not ZvT haha | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
On August 20 2010 18:45 Plexa wrote: I think Dima's problems are with ZvP and not ZvT haha oh... well, now I just feel silly. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 20 2010 19:13 FrogOfWar wrote: Lol, by dominating Terrans in the IEM like that Dimaga and IdrA aren't helping their case claiming Terran's OP. well for idra at least he always wins cause hes so super skilled and when he loses its the games fault. but he kept it nice when take tried to get some balance talk out of him. | ||
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Rea
Germany88 Posts
On August 20 2010 19:13 FrogOfWar wrote: Lol, by dominating Terrans in the IEM like that Dimaga and IdrA aren't helping their case claiming Terran's OP. both are losing to mech play idra stated that he can handle bio pretty well with zerg/baneling+mutas thats exactly what happened so far in IEM | ||
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cyprin
United States1105 Posts
it's fine if they go bio at all, banelings destroy bio vs a pure mech build there's really nothing zerg can do | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On August 19 2010 09:24 Sen wrote: Zerg is fine imo . its depand on what maps we play ZvT Lost Templar <--- very hard for ZvT for example -.- Steppes of War <--- no comments this map ZvT -_- Kulas Ravine <--- lol Rofl lmao for ZvT Metalopolis <--- its like 12:00 vs 8:00 and 2:00 vs 6:00 really hard for ZvT Others i think its fine in ZvT why dont u post some replays vs bunker reaper rush , for starters. Also whats fair when a thor and a turret safeguards terran base form muta aggression. when 2 tanks + few marauders can kill ur whole ground army When a pre igniter helion can kill 20 drones with 2 shots When terran can safe macro behind wall in When he can free expand with pf and mules what have u got to counter all those plus many more , i havent seen u in any top tournament for a while maybe u just becoming rusty or competition in taiwan lacks compare to other regions cause there too many top pros that claim the opposite and i tend to agree. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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imPERSONater
United States1324 Posts
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
3rd in IEM? nonetheless, he and IdrA are my fav zerg.. | ||
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FantaFunL
Belgium71 Posts
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