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PaprikaSpice
Profile Joined August 2010
United States41 Posts
August 22 2010 12:58 GMT
#1041
The thing that I think everyone has noticed watching IEM though is just how tough it is to be zerg in the early game. Idra and Dimaga are winning some amazing games, but they have to start each and every one by fighting off reapers, hellions, or banshees (or some mix thereof). I can't think of one game where the Z player was the first to apply pressure at the other player's main.
Paprika.295 on b-net!
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
August 22 2010 12:59 GMT
#1042
This tournament is proving T is not imba. Dimaga and Idra are beating 3/5 rax reaper, bio, and mech. See the game of Idra v Tarson on Xel'Naga, Tarson went mech, and Idra demolished it with mass muta.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 22 2010 12:59 GMT
#1043
On August 20 2010 19:23 cyprin wrote:
game on xel'naga shows the problem with zvt
it's fine if they go bio at all, banelings destroy bio
vs a pure mech build there's really nothing zerg can do


Ultras rape pure mech hard.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
August 22 2010 13:00 GMT
#1044
On August 22 2010 21:58 PaprikaSpice wrote:
The thing that I think everyone has noticed watching IEM though is just how tough it is to be zerg in the early game. Idra and Dimaga are winning some amazing games, but they have to start each and every one by fighting off reapers, hellions, or banshees (or some mix thereof). I can't think of one game where the Z player was the first to apply pressure at the other player's main.


There was one game against tarson iirc that idra stole gas and ended it pretty early with a ling/roach push.
There's no S in KT. :P
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
August 22 2010 13:01 GMT
#1045
I'm sorry, but nearly every Terran has started off with reapers, and the majority of them failed/got surrounded/lost the reapers before doing any significant damage. That's not the matchup being balanced, that's the Terran player microing his reapers poorly.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 22 2010 13:01 GMT
#1046
On August 22 2010 21:58 PaprikaSpice wrote:
The thing that I think everyone has noticed watching IEM though is just how tough it is to be zerg in the early game. Idra and Dimaga are winning some amazing games, but they have to start each and every one by fighting off reapers, hellions, or banshees (or some mix thereof). I can't think of one game where the Z player was the first to apply pressure at the other player's main.


That's because thats how the matchup works. Have you ever played TvZ where you tried to be passive and slow expand? IT DOESN'T WORK.

You'll get so outdroned it's silly, by like.. 3:1 ratio. A terran HAS to apply pressure all game long, HAS to hurt economy and keep on doing so, otherwise he's screwed. If it goes to late game zerg has an inherent advantage. Terran wants to end it before late game for that very reason.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 13:04:22
August 22 2010 13:03 GMT
#1047
On August 22 2010 21:59 Pibacc wrote:
This tournament is proving T is not imba. Dimaga and Idra are beating 3/5 rax reaper, bio, and mech. See the game of Idra v Tarson on Xel'Naga, Tarson went mech, and Idra demolished it with mass muta.


This tournament isn't proving anything. If anything it would only prove that the 2 BEST Zerg players can actually beat terrans. Doesn't mean it's an even match.
this game is a fucking jokie
Bosko
Profile Joined February 2010
United States155 Posts
August 22 2010 13:05 GMT
#1048
Thats exactly what it means. When the best Zergs can beat the best Terrans that means the average Zergs should be able to beat the average Terrans.
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 22 2010 13:09 GMT
#1049
On August 22 2010 22:05 Bosko wrote:
Thats exactly what it means. When the best Zergs can beat the best Terrans that means the average Zergs should be able to beat the average Terrans.


Or maybe IdrA is just on a level all on his own and would win every time with races removed. Just because he is able to overcome a potential race imbalance doesn't make the races perfect. I think it lends a lot of credence to the idea that it is not as dire as made out to be, but tournament results do nothing other than prove the best players, not the equality of races.

By this thinking, Protoss is UP because they didn't advance out of groups but I don't think anyone would argue that.
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
August 22 2010 13:10 GMT
#1050
On August 22 2010 22:05 Bosko wrote:
Thats exactly what it means. When the best Zergs can beat the best Terrans that means the average Zergs should be able to beat the average Terrans.


Sorry, but that is bad logic
I want to fly
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 22 2010 13:12 GMT
#1051
I hate when you throw out the arguments as if Idra and Dimaga are gods, and if they're losing to terrans, SURELY THE GAME IS BROKEN. Then, when they win, the game is still broken because hey; they're gods.

So disrespectful to all the terran players that practice alot and put their all into the game. So fucking arrogant.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
August 22 2010 13:18 GMT
#1052
Dimaga do you really want to play Terran?
I Can Fly...
drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
August 22 2010 13:19 GMT
#1053
On August 22 2010 22:12 gillon wrote:
I hate when you throw out the arguments as if Idra and Dimaga are gods, and if they're losing to terrans, SURELY THE GAME IS BROKEN. Then, when they win, the game is still broken because hey; they're gods.

So disrespectful to all the terran players that practice alot and put their all into the game. So fucking arrogant.


Perhaps. but both IdrA and DIMAGA have better merits than Tarson and Morrow, meaning they are better players.
-vVvTitan-
Profile Joined August 2010
United States473 Posts
August 22 2010 13:22 GMT
#1054
^

tarson was outplayed SOOOO much.
vVv.Titan @ vVv-Gaming.com
Nyx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Rwanda460 Posts
August 22 2010 13:27 GMT
#1055
^^ Just compare their achievements in BW liquidpedia.

Dimaga and Idra are much more established than Tarson or Morrow.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
August 22 2010 13:30 GMT
#1056
On August 22 2010 21:59 Pibacc wrote:
This tournament is proving T is not imba. Dimaga and Idra are beating 3/5 rax reaper, bio, and mech. See the game of Idra v Tarson on Xel'Naga, Tarson went mech, and Idra demolished it with mass muta.

This is what I feared. This is such backward thinking. Take a look at just how much work Dimaga and IdrA have had to do just to scrape by surviving early game. Also, how can you not notice that EVERY TvZ in this tournament has been dictated by the T? Every single time, the T chooses what the Zerg needs to do.
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
August 22 2010 13:30 GMT
#1057
reapers are OP
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
Bosko
Profile Joined February 2010
United States155 Posts
August 22 2010 13:51 GMT
#1058
On August 22 2010 22:10 Mutaahh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:05 Bosko wrote:
Thats exactly what it means. When the best Zergs can beat the best Terrans that means the average Zergs should be able to beat the average Terrans.


Sorry, but that is bad logic


I guess Zergs want it balanced around Plat level play? But after that patch this tournament would have been all Zergs eh.
Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
August 22 2010 13:51 GMT
#1059
On August 22 2010 22:30 stafu wrote:
Every single time, the T chooses what the Zerg needs to do.


Ehm, that is how zerg works? At last until we get some new cool units....
I want to fly
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
August 22 2010 13:54 GMT
#1060
On August 22 2010 22:51 Bosko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 22:10 Mutaahh wrote:
On August 22 2010 22:05 Bosko wrote:
Thats exactly what it means. When the best Zergs can beat the best Terrans that means the average Zergs should be able to beat the average Terrans.


Sorry, but that is bad logic


I guess Zergs want it balanced around Plat level play? But after that patch this tournament would have been all Zergs eh.

I like what iNcontroL said during TLA:S3E2...

"yeah you just need to play 15 hours a day, have 300APM which translates to like 550 sc1 apm and then yeah...you can beat terran"
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
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