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On August 05 2010 13:44 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... You mean studying a ton of sc2 games, practicing, knowing what counters what, having a strategy and adapting it, playing an opponent's weaknesses, and keeping calm and collected and not going on tilt during a match isn't the right philosophy? Also, he's beaten HuK (P) and QXC (T), 2 other King of the Beta players. I suppose that makes T OP against T also?
What kind of arguement is that? You dont think that IdrA does that also? The fact is there is no counter to his "gameplan" (which is trash by the way, which has been shown throughout is vods) is the problem. Also adapting to what strategy? He didn't adapt to anything he just did his rofl push where there is nothing that zerg could possibly do. Throughout each of his games HE DIDNT SCOUT ONCE, NOT ONE SCAN ON THE ZERGS BASE. Calm and collected? What do you think IdrA was doing this whole match? On the fritz hurling over his computer having like 4 monsters beside him? Please kid get an arguement~
Also HuK gave him the series (which by the way was GARBAGE) and what do you mean T is OP against T? Im saying T is overpowered against zerg WHICH IS TRUE. Look at tournament rankings, ladder rankings, ANYTHING and tell me that zerg isnt underpowered. Good day sir
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On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer. As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.
Are you serious? Have you ever watched sports? There is a reason Entertainment Tonight is on EVERY NIGHT AT 7 PM. Again give me a reasonable arguement and tell me what IdrA could of done these games that would have won him a victory and tell me with a straight face that ZvT isnt broken
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On August 05 2010 13:48 Defeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... I don't think it proves anything other than IdrA wasn't ready for him. IdrA probably had no background knowledge of him or his play style SC2 is still really new and no single person will know how to fend of everything. OT: Good interview. Hope to see more from Silver in the future.
I guess IdrA isnt used to all in 2 base pushes and cliff drops. Sc2 is 5 months old with 10 years of broodwar experiance. This guy plays 10 hours a day you dont think he doesn't know how to fend off these things off? There is a distinct possibillity that GASPPPP there is no reasonable counter....
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The best part of the interview was...
"DetonatoR: Specifically in your game against Idra, it got a little heated with Idra calling you a nobody and then later calling you a joke in the second game before quitting. Could you tell me what happened with this?
Silver: Sure. I mean I think we all understand what is happening here. There are times when an individual makes the mistake of identifying with their ego too closely and when it is collapsing, they seek to fill the void by bringing other people down. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Idra is a talented player and he gets a lot of respect. I just wish he would respect himself more and not get worked up so he could be better role model."
Tasteful comments IMO and 100% on the mark. Idra is a immature kid (and I stress kid) who couldn't handle that his life is based around SC2 (moved to Korea just to play "professionally") but got beat from a relative unknown pretty handily.
Good on Silver for representing Canada in the professional gaming scene so well.
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On August 05 2010 13:54 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer. As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver. Are you serious? Have you ever watched sports? There is a reason Entertainment Tonight is on EVERY NIGHT AT 7 PM. Again give me a reasonable arguement and tell me what IdrA could of done these games that would have won him a victory and tell me with a straight face that ZvT isnt broken
Uh, have you watched sports? Sports stars almost always act professional after games. Go head to NBA.com and watch some of the post-season press interviews. You always hear "the other team played well, we didn't execute down the stretch", etc etc.
As for your last sentence, I'm not getting in a ZvT balance discussion with you, that is so tired and pathetic. You guys are turning TL into a whine-filled bawwfest, seriously. It's possible for someone to win a match without the game being broken.
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On August 05 2010 13:52 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:44 G2Wolf wrote:On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... You mean studying a ton of sc2 games, practicing, knowing what counters what, having a strategy and adapting it, playing an opponent's weaknesses, and keeping calm and collected and not going on tilt during a match isn't the right philosophy? Also, he's beaten HuK (P) and QXC (T), 2 other King of the Beta players. I suppose that makes T OP against T also? What kind of arguement is that? You dont think that IdrA does that also? The fact is there is no counter to his "gameplan" (which is trash by the way, which has been shown throughout is vods) is the problem. Also adapting to what strategy? He didn't adapt to anything he just did his rofl push where there is nothing that zerg could possibly do. Throughout each of his games HE DIDNT SCOUT ONCE, NOT ONE SCAN ON THE ZERGS BASE. Calm and collected? What do you think IdrA was doing this whole match? On the fritz hurling over his computer having like 4 monsters beside him? Please kid get an arguement~ Also HuK gave him the series (which by the way was GARBAGE) and what do you mean T is OP against T? Im saying T is overpowered against zerg WHICH IS TRUE. Look at tournament rankings, ladder rankings, ANYTHING and tell me that zerg isnt underpowered. Good day sir
idra wasn't super on top of his game, he was caught off on the first game. there is a counter to thor hellion timing push and that is to transition to roaches faster. he scouted many times, during the first i think he scanned twice and had a thor contain going.
you should calm down and stop typing in caps. silver played better that day imo, idra has beaten many terrans and he should've beat this one.
stop whining about terran op in this thread, thats what the 50000 "suggestions to fix tvz" threads are for.
anyways i thought the responses were pretty weird. he seems like a really smart guy, and he is really mechanically good as well. 140 apm good micro after watching his replays. i don't think he's a complete casual who just plays for fun, this guy actually has some talent imo. good mature interview responses
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On August 05 2010 14:01 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:54 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer. As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver. Are you serious? Have you ever watched sports? There is a reason Entertainment Tonight is on EVERY NIGHT AT 7 PM. Again give me a reasonable arguement and tell me what IdrA could of done these games that would have won him a victory and tell me with a straight face that ZvT isnt broken Uh, have you watched sports? Sports stars almost always act professional after games. Go head to NBA.com and watch some of the post-season press interviews. You always hear "the other team played well, we didn't execute down the stretch", etc etc. I'm not getting in a ZvT balance discussion with you, that is so tired and pathetic.
Ron Artest brawl in the stands a years back is definitely professional, Michael Vick, Ben Rothelisberger, any hockey game (and if i wasnt tired as hell i could probably reference 20 other players) The trash talk in the NBA which you referenced is evident in games (also you cant even compare IdrA to the players i mentioned above in any way). Oh and IdrA isnt proffesional in interviews? The fact of the matter is that when theres competition theres trash talk and heated emotion so you cant say he isnt a proffesional because he trash talks and expresses emotions.
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On August 05 2010 13:44 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset. To be fair, Idra chose this field of work where balance was anything but a given. He decided to dive into a new game head first. Why would the 5 foot bballer feel entitled to success? He has to work around obstacles that are obvious to anyone when choosing this field of work. I don't feel bad for Idra. I also enjoy his anger and passion. The next time he plays silver, 5000 people will watch. Sounds like fun.
You missed a zero, more like 50000, being 49000 cheering against idra haha.
IdrA always pick the "hardest" race to play, T in BW and Z in SC2, he sure likes to suffer.
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way to go silver, seem pretty cool
keep up the good work and im sure you'll get whatever you deserve
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On August 05 2010 14:11 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:44 choboPEon wrote:On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset. To be fair, Idra chose this field of work where balance was anything but a given. He decided to dive into a new game head first. Why would the 5 foot bballer feel entitled to success? He has to work around obstacles that are obvious to anyone when choosing this field of work. I don't feel bad for Idra. I also enjoy his anger and passion. The next time he plays silver, 5000 people will watch. Sounds like fun. You missed a zero, more like 50000, being 49000 cheering against idra haha. IdrA always pick the "hardest" race to play, T in BW and Z in SC2, he sure likes to suffer.
The difference is that T in BW may be harder, but its just as effective as the other races. It sucks that it isnt the same for Zerg in SC2
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you cant defend idra for his comments and actions in this series, it was ridiculous. your in a high level tournament, youll be in many more, take your loss like a man and gg then move on to the next game, like almost all of the other high level players.
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Wow, this ohtrue guy is incredibly angry, you'd think it was him who got smashed by a "nobody". I mean really, triple posting? Idra lost, in fact he got destroyed, no reason to cry over it. HuK "gave" him the series? Lol, get a life kid.
I've seen you post in other threads and all you do is whine about zerg as well. Please, no one wants to see your teenage angst on TL.
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Good interview. I like the intelligence he speaks with. Hope to see more from him.
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On August 05 2010 14:18 RandomBS wrote:
Wow, this ohtrue guy is incredibly angry, you'd think it was him who got smashed by a "nobody". I mean really, triple posting? Idra lost, in fact he got destroyed, no reason to cry over it. HuK "gave" him the series? Lol, get a life kid.
I've seen you post in other threads and all you do is whine about zerg as well. Please, no one wants to see your teenage angst on TL.
Oh yes im raging, im punching my keyboard in frustration due to idra losing this series!!!!! But really no im not angry im more frustrated that this community is constantly pointing out the same terrible points with no logical merit inside of them and instead of trying to help blizzard improving the game were just turtling into a shell and defending the game because there cant be anything wrong with this game......
To put in blunt terms were accepting a non finished mediocre game which we have been waiting for 10 years after playing a masterpiece. We shouldn't be accepting this we should be giving criticism and actually trying to help improve the balance of the game.
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On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer. As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.
So John McEnroe wasn't a professional....
SC players have such thin skin...
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On August 05 2010 14:24 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 14:18 RandomBS wrote:
Wow, this ohtrue guy is incredibly angry, you'd think it was him who got smashed by a "nobody". I mean really, triple posting? Idra lost, in fact he got destroyed, no reason to cry over it. HuK "gave" him the series? Lol, get a life kid.
I've seen you post in other threads and all you do is whine about zerg as well. Please, no one wants to see your teenage angst on TL. Oh yes im raging, im punching my keyboard in frustration due to idra losing this series!!!!! But really no im not angry im more frustrated that this community is constantly pointing out the same terrible points with no logical merit inside of them and instead of trying to help blizzard improving the game were just turtling into a shell and defending the game because there cant be anything wrong with this game...... To put in blunt terms were accepting a non finished mediocre game which we have been waiting for 10 years after playing a masterpiece. We shouldn't be accepting this we should be giving criticism and actually trying to help improve the balance of the game.
well there is a difference between constructive criticism and complaining about things (when you may or may not be right) over and over and over, and in places where it's not even helpful to be complaining about it. lots of people would just rather work with what they have and not make excuses.
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Clearly since no one has heard of him he sucks balls, right guys?
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On August 05 2010 14:32 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 14:24 OHtRUe wrote:On August 05 2010 14:18 RandomBS wrote:
Wow, this ohtrue guy is incredibly angry, you'd think it was him who got smashed by a "nobody". I mean really, triple posting? Idra lost, in fact he got destroyed, no reason to cry over it. HuK "gave" him the series? Lol, get a life kid.
I've seen you post in other threads and all you do is whine about zerg as well. Please, no one wants to see your teenage angst on TL. Oh yes im raging, im punching my keyboard in frustration due to idra losing this series!!!!! But really no im not angry im more frustrated that this community is constantly pointing out the same terrible points with no logical merit inside of them and instead of trying to help blizzard improving the game were just turtling into a shell and defending the game because there cant be anything wrong with this game...... To put in blunt terms were accepting a non finished mediocre game which we have been waiting for 10 years after playing a masterpiece. We shouldn't be accepting this we should be giving criticism and actually trying to help improve the balance of the game. well there is a difference between constructive criticism and complaining about things (when you may or may not be right) over and over and over, and in places where it's not even helpful to be complaining about it. lots of people would just rather work with what they have and not make excuses.
It's not an excuse if it has a valid point supporting it by the way. To properly phrase what you said would more be like " lots of people would just rather work with what they have and fight an uphill battle"
If i posted constructive criticism I would most likely get flamed for being Zerg biased or that because Blizzard is a game designer they have more knowledge in balance suggestions and gameplay then me (which is BS by the way)
I could post a masterpiece about game balance and why zerg is underpowered, but then again why would it be worth it if people are just going to just dismiss it because again SC2 is perfect~
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i met silver once.
but that was on eu servers and he was fucking horrible and of course since it's eu he was a protoss :<
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On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA
Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.
He has every right to be upset. That doesn't mean calling Silver a nobody and just general bashing/namecalling is warranted by the current state of the games balance.
You can still be good mannered and voice your opinions on the games balance..
(btw, when the 5 foot basketball player loses to the 7 foot tall one, does he rage out at the 7 foot player and say his genetics are overpowered?)
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