EPTStarcraft 2 a failure in PCBangs - Page 6
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:05 ArvickHero wrote: If by troll = compiling some statistical facts, then yes he was successful. I feel as if I should hate SC2 for users like you :\ To be fair, the tone with which the OP approached the statistics made his stance on SC2 fairly obvious. If he wasn't trying to stir the pot, his comment about realizing what a bad game SC2 is has no place in what really only needs to be a translation/summary post. It would be like sneaking an "SKT1 is a bad team" into a PL interview thread. It doesn't add to the content or purpose of the post, and only serves to distract people from legitimate discussion. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
There's nothing to apologize for (ya apologizers): SC2 is alright, it's just not as good as SC. It's gonna be interesting to see what they do to patch out the "not-good-enough-ness." | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:12 Primadog wrote: I am really confused about the statements on retail channels, didn't Blizzard stated that in Korea, SC2 are distributed through the web store ONLY? Just did some research, my memory serves me correctly: Properly regarding StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, the game will be available on its release date for Digital Download only. Yes, no physical box of the game will be available, although Blizzard did assure a limited collectors edition of the game will find its way to Korea as well sometime in the future. http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/korean-event-aftermaths-beta-phase-2-and-lan-play/ Where the hell did the OP get its sales numbers? Or is he really saying that the limited edition collectors box sales alone ranked on the korean sales chart? If so, I'd say starcraft is doing GREAT!! in korea. I also checked all three references that OP cited, which all traces its origins to one http://thegames.co.kr website, which has an Alexa ranking of 8,943,617. Take that information as you see it. | ||
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ArdentZeal
Germany155 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
i mean it's replacing something nostalgic and culturally accepted with something that just came out. people are stubborn and don't want to replace something they love that much. not saying sc2 is better then brood war in any means. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:07 TheYango wrote: To be fair, the tone with which the OP approached the statistics made his stance on SC2 fairly obvious. If he wasn't trying to stir the pot, his comment about realizing what a bad game SC2 is has no place in what really only needs to be a translation/summary post. It would be like sneaking an "SKT1 is a bad team" into a PL interview thread. eh, true enough, I feel as if a mod should go ahead and edit out the inflammatory comments in the OP. Still, many of these posts are making me cringe very badly. Edit: like the one above mine, a great example of shitty posting. I especially enjoy how he says the sources aren't reliable when he can't even probably read fucking Korean. | ||
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
The reason I like it, is because I'm one of the guys that played it online and sucked. Played all through the Terran campaign and stopped there. The guy that was horrible at doing the standard timing pushes and learning all these tactics and strategies that had 11 years of time to be commonplace among every match. I would watch pro matches and keep up with teams and stuff because I understood how the game basically worked but wasn't able to play it. I watched Day9's netcast basically everytime I could during the beta and other people's streams of the beta and payed very close attention to what they were doing and what they were talking about with different strats and stuff and what works against things and what doesn't. Now that Starcraft 2 is out, I don't feel like I'm so far behind. When I completed the campaign, (Which I loved because it felt to me that you were more 'Involved' I guess you could say) I downloaded YABOT and went to TL and Liquipedia to learn some builds for terran. I practiced them and practiced until I stoppped getting roflstomped by medium AI and could actually win handily. I played my placement matches and ended up in Gold. Now I'm somewhere like 12th in my division (Was 8th but got baneling busted 3 times in a row :[ ) and I feel great! I think it's better for players to 'hop in' and start playing. I'm not saying it's too noob friendly or anything and there is nothing to learn, I average 52 APM most of the time. I have to practice. But I am saying that I feel like it's a new leaf turned over, that I can play this game comfortably now because all the builds and what is 'Standard' is evolving still. Eventually Starcraft 2 will get big. I'm not saying it's going to kill BW by any means, and I'm not saying that you have to practice with Koreans everyday to be able to play it. It's going to take time. Anyone who thinks that it will/should have/is going to/ or has surpassed BW, or is going to require more skill or better micro/macro is expecting too much. | ||
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
Plus the fact that koreans in general (i am one) are very resistant to change and until it is 'accepted' fully, there will be a reluctance to go from what you do know to what you don't know. It's just a little different mechanic than the rest of the western world goes by. I think spreading negative press though, is probably bad for the esport in general and i would hope that people don't do it just to get some attention. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:04 CScythe wrote: I see what you are saying, people are using the thread to drop ambiguous mini-posts about their dislike for one game or the other. I would say that it is inevitable to have that happen to most threads of this type... However this thread was posted in the SC2 forum, so I guess I wonder why so many BW players took such a big detour just to shit-talk SC2. The thread was posted in the Starcraft 2 section because it is about how well Starcraft 2 is doing in Korea. The OP only mentions Brood War once in a comparison of how popular it is in pc bangs. Some people (such as myself) find the information interesting because it is hard to find unless you can understand the Korean/Chinese news sites that report these stories. Thank you to the OP for posting the news. There are far to many people angrily trying to defend Starcraft 2. Why does it matter so much that you have to call people "trolls" or that they are "shit-talking" because they simply have a different opinion to you? In my opinion SC2 is okay but not great. The OP reports that SC2 isn't well received in Korea and I can understand why after all the drama Blizzard caused prior to it's release and fact the game isn't as fantastic as people had hoped. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:03 TheYango wrote: korea didn't have beta? koreans didn't have access to Blizzcon? didn't they also have a huge fucking korean promotional airplane with tycus on it? werent there youtube videos of flash/bisu/jaedong etc all playing sc2?How is 2-3 years of Blizzcon showings and 6 months of beta "rather quick"? I'm pretty sure a larger portion of Korean gamers are going into SC2 blind than veteran TLers, most of whom have at least tried the beta for some period of time, and have been closely monitoring the game's development. if you're implying that koreans didn't follow sc2... you're just flat out wrong. remember all the people trying to figure out why matchup/racial statistic in the asian server were so different from NA/Europe's? or the fact that while TL had to fly halfway around to world to Blizzcon in order to play, many koreans were able to access it in their home city? what makes you think that "korean gamers are going into SC2 blind"? they do have access to the fucking internet and blizzard has a huge interest in what koreans have to say. half of the information we got were through translations of korean articles. good job making random assumptions. | ||
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mutantbagel
United States22 Posts
On August 04 2010 14:22 -Desu- wrote: even if it's the case, I will not stop having fun from the game because it is not liked in another country... I agree completely. The game's success lies within what I'm thinking of it...and from the amount of people who've been playing it. I think it's safe to assume that the people here are loving the heck of out this game, I know I am. Success? I think so =) | ||
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Dexy205
United Kingdom12 Posts
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
The playtime figures being stated by the OP aren't very descriptive: "August 2, 2010. According to Gametrix, an internet cafe research service, SC2 posted 12th in playtime with only 2.6%" That tells us nothing about the actual amount of playtime of SC2. Does anybody really expect a new strategy game to overtake other massively popular games in Korea? You have to remember that there are quite a lot of gamers in Korea, and they're playing a lot more than just Starcraft. Just because SC2 looks small comparatively does not mean that it hasn't done well so far. Starcraft fans represent a considerable faction of Korean gamers, but there are probably plenty of gamers who are more interested in other types of games. I'll be waiting for real numbers out of Korea before I make any judgements. I want to know how much money Blizzard has made from SC2 in Korea. | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:23 vek wrote: The thread was posted in the Starcraft 2 section because it is about how well Starcraft 2 is doing in Korea. The OP only mentions Brood War once in a comparison of how popular it is in pc bangs. I guess what I meant was that I am surprised at the number of BW players posting about BW in a SC2 thread in the SC2 forum. I always felt the games were extremely different, connected only by a very basic style and theme. I believe SC2 players may be trying to defend the game in this thread because of the title of the thread, defining the game as straight-up "failed" may be too extreme. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
News post saying similar things if you don't want to believe this op. edit: To people saying give it time. Obviously it isn't going to hit top game in korea within a week. However, with all the advertisement and with the popularity of its predecessor you would expect it to do better than this. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On August 04 2010 15:08 Primadog wrote: i raise you a Waxangel that says OP is telling the truth.I also checked all three references that OP cited, which all traces its origins to one http://thegames.co.kr website, which has an Alexa ranking of 8,943,617. Take that information as you see it. + Show Spoiler [quote from 2nd page] + On August 04 2010 13:51 Waxangel wrote: It's all valid stuff, OP is just too lazy to link 15 articles. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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