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oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
August 04 2010 07:04 GMT
#141
Isn't it odd that WC3 is more played in Korea than SC?
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
August 04 2010 07:04 GMT
#142
We don't need SC2 to be huge in Korea for it to be big elsewhere. As soon as we stop caring how successful or what Korea thinks of the game we can then move forward and build it up as an E-Sport in the West. I want it to be successful in Korea to see the insanely skilled players such as Flash and Jaedong duke it out, but it's not the end of E-Sports for SC2 if Korea does not pick it up.
Midj
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada253 Posts
August 04 2010 07:04 GMT
#143
On August 04 2010 15:05 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 14:56 junemermaid wrote:
On August 04 2010 14:47 ArvickHero wrote:
wow reading this thread a lot of butt-hurt and angry users that obviously only registered because of SC2. This shouldn't have been a surprise, seeing as there was an anti-Blizzard sentiment going on with all their shenanigans (i.e. the negotiations [or lack of], breaking ad laws, pissing off the PC Bangs).

Anyways, as long as it doesn't touch my BW pro scene I'm fine..

On August 04 2010 14:47 junemermaid wrote:
On August 04 2010 14:37 dNo_O wrote:
On August 04 2010 14:34 vOddy wrote:
On August 04 2010 13 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 13 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 04 2010 13 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:50 Captain Peabody wrote:
Have you wondered why Activision/Blizzard quotes sales numbers minus asia? It's an underhanded ploy to add more hype to the fire before people realize what a bad game it really is.


Excuse me? Find me a single prominent person in the BW competitive scene who says that SC2 is a bad game, and then we'll talk.
.


I've seen korean progamers make fun of SC2.



as they should. it's an alpha POS. i'd give it a year before it'll be halfway to what was promised.


It was a tough choice, but you sir get the award for worst post on this thread.

Do you even know what an Alpha build is?

I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist, but I think you get that award instead for being stupid enough to even think he was using alpha in that context.


Pray tell, how was he using it then?

Think of alpha as the word fucking in this case, and maybe it'll make sense to you.

Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 14:59 Midj wrote:
Wow.

Successful troll is successful. Seems like this guy is really stirring the pot with a shitty stick.

If by troll = compiling some statistical facts, then yes he was successful. I feel as if I should hate SC2 for users like you :\


Looks like he added sources. And I got warned for calling him a troll because he cited absolutely nothing.

I hate you TL.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 04 2010 07:07 GMT
#144
On August 04 2010 15:59 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
To all the people that say "give it time". With the hype and money and promotion, SC2's time to shine is at the beginning. SC2 and SC1 started out on entirely different circumstances..

"At the beginning" should hardly means 6 days after release, in any circumstances.
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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
August 04 2010 07:08 GMT
#145
Shouldn't the horrible subscription sales model be taken into account? Starcraft 2 is a more expensive product in Asia then it is here due to the fact that if you don't regularly pay, you'll be left with a useless piece of software. Quite natural imo that demand will be lower.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 04 2010 07:08 GMT
#146
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
begin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
August 04 2010 07:09 GMT
#147
On August 04 2010 16:08 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*


Sudden Attack is not "some war FPS" in Korea. It's a very well played esport.
begin.testchamber
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 04 2010 07:10 GMT
#148
On August 04 2010 16:08 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*

Does anyone have the metrics for other countries in the world? Because I'm skeptical that SC2 would be one of the top played games in other places either. RTS isn't exactly the most popular genre of gaming.
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Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
August 04 2010 07:11 GMT
#149
Honestly, looking at the problems blizz and kespa are having and just for the fact that they have no reason to switch over. BW is still thriving. Its not really that surprising in my eyes. The game will probably grow slowly, probably stealing the older/weaker BW pros, make its own league, and will become another esport game in Korea, I dont know if it will be as big but Im willing to bet it will become fairly popular in korea sooner or later. This is just my opinion, but thats what I see happening.

But like people said, who cares? The reason its Korea is so involved is just because the accepted and raised it practically, that can easily be done else where. Being Korean doesnt mean you know what is a great RTS and what isnt... I loved BW and thought it was an AWESOME game before I even knew about the pro scene over there. I never understood why Korean thoughts became this "final word" of the game.... Is it as good as BW? Opinion. Will it last as long? Who knows.

Oh and for the people using the stupid argument of "its a sequel it should be instantly loved" thats a load of bull. This isnt math where 1+1=2.... Just because it was known before doesnt mean it should be completely accepted as its replacement for BW. Just because we have 12 years of BW knowledge doesnt mean SC2 should be balanced within the first week...
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 07:12:37
August 04 2010 07:12 GMT
#150
On August 04 2010 16:01 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 15:50 .risingdragoon wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:44 Velr wrote:
Judging from how SC2 is doing World Wide at the moment South Korea is not important to me at all. Why would i care?


Cus people on this site generally like this thing called e-sports, and e-sports doesn't exist anywhere except Korea.

You downgrade SC2 to a buncha clan wars and the interest is similar gonna be pedestrian, instead of avid interest for a professionally-kept schedule, with regularly televised matches.


Well MLG is taking up SC2 and blizzard still has yet to release their plans for e-sports. Then there is whatever secret GomTV project tasteless keeps referencing.

SC2 is hardly "a buncha clanwars."


I think it's safe to say that MLG is a non-factor. I'm interested to see how much views gomtv gets. If people aren't playing, maybe they're watching.

Personally I don't think SC2 is a very good watch, the way units move and bunch together, But maybe people will watch it.

The point is that if SC2 has the stuff to replace SC as a platform, why wouldn't people naturally gravitate over? It's not there yet. It plays okay, as a spectator sport it's inferior to SC, and I don't mean player skills not measuring up.

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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 04 2010 07:14 GMT
#151
On August 04 2010 16:09 begin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 16:08 figq wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*


Sudden Attack is not "some war FPS" in Korea. It's a very well played esport.
I'm sure EA FIFA is also very well played esport (what Asian cultures take on doing, they usually dedicate seriously). That doesn't give me less shivers.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
August 04 2010 07:15 GMT
#152
Oh this is the best thread I've read in a month!
Seriously I'm so happy.

I think I am one of the very few of the dedicated players who decided to not buy the game because of it's flaws. I think most bought the game even though they weren't satisfied with it and that's why there was no force behind any of the complaints. I knew that this would happen but I think you have to start somewhere. If Blizzard games always auto-sell, they will only continue to get worse.

If SC2 fails (at least in Korea, which was a huge part of the market for the older Bliz games), that would be really important.

And btw fu all you fanboys who bowed down and bought the game even though you thought it or bnet sucked.
begin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
August 04 2010 07:17 GMT
#153
On August 04 2010 16:14 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 16:09 begin wrote:
On August 04 2010 16:08 figq wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*


Sudden Attack is not "some war FPS" in Korea. It's a very well played esport.
I'm sure EA FIFA is also very well played esport (what Asian cultures take on doing, they usually dedicate seriously). That doesn't give me less shivers.


If what you are trying to do is discredit gametrics I don't see what your angle is other than "fuck I've never heard of that game." and "I really don't think koreans would play a game about FOOTBALL"
begin.testchamber
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 07:18:46
August 04 2010 07:18 GMT
#154
On August 04 2010 16:12 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 16:01 Backpack wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:50 .risingdragoon wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:44 Velr wrote:
Judging from how SC2 is doing World Wide at the moment South Korea is not important to me at all. Why would i care?


Cus people on this site generally like this thing called e-sports, and e-sports doesn't exist anywhere except Korea.

You downgrade SC2 to a buncha clan wars and the interest is similar gonna be pedestrian, instead of avid interest for a professionally-kept schedule, with regularly televised matches.


Well MLG is taking up SC2 and blizzard still has yet to release their plans for e-sports. Then there is whatever secret GomTV project tasteless keeps referencing.

SC2 is hardly "a buncha clanwars."


I think it's safe to say that MLG is a non-factor. I'm interested to see how much views gomtv gets. If people aren't playing, maybe they're watching.

Personally I don't think SC2 is a very good watch, the way units move and bunch together, But maybe people will watch it.

The point is that if SC2 has the stuff to replace SC as a platform, why wouldn't people naturally gravitate over? It's not there yet. It plays okay, as a spectator sport it's inferior to SC, and I don't mean player skills not measuring up.



I doubt we need to bring that old argument back up, its been beaten to death.

Blizzard gave kespa the finger so I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the pro scene to switch over. SC2 can be successfull outside of korea. Will we have our own SC2 TV channels? Probably not anytime soon but the game still has to grow.

Its been out for a week for crying out loud.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
August 04 2010 07:19 GMT
#155
On August 04 2010 16:15 Asta wrote:

And btw fu all you fanboys who bowed down and bought the game even though you thought it or bnet sucked.



I think neither suck. And I'm not a fanboy =\
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
August 04 2010 07:21 GMT
#156
On August 04 2010 16 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              04 2010 16      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:15 Asta wrote:
Oh this is the best thread I've read in a month!
Seriously I'm so happy.

I think I am one of the very few of the dedicated players who decided to not buy the game because of it's flaws. I think most bought the game even though they weren't satisfied with it and that's why there was no force behind any of the complaints. I knew that this would happen but I think you have to start somewhere. If Blizzard games always auto-sell, they will only continue to get worse.

If SC2 fails (at least in Korea, which was a huge part of the market for the older Bliz games), that would be really important.

And btw fu all you fanboys who bowed down and bought the game even though you thought it or bnet sucked.


Yeah or maybe we also bought it for the campaign which was excellent? This game does have its flaws, sure, but I also have faith most of those will be ironed out, and no, I don't think they will just ignore the complaints because they still sell. They still have to sell numerous expansions after this one, and if this would be as much of a fail as you claim it to be, then these expansions will bought way less.

But then again, I am using common sense here.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 07:28:02
August 04 2010 07:25 GMT
#157
Korea is important, doesn't matter what some of you apologists say.

It's important in only one, but very important sense - it very nearly overcame the social stigma of playing games seriously. It showed that watching a game being played can be entertaining for the masses, it can be professional, and it's legitimate.

A lot of people took chances for it to be what it is today. None of these things are a given. Here in the US unless you tackle this issue of social stigma it'll always amount to "a buncha clanwars" with a limited, niche, or "sub-culture" following, and not taken seriously.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 07:40:31
August 04 2010 07:25 GMT
#158
On August 04 2010 16:17 begin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 16:14 figq wrote:
On August 04 2010 16:09 begin wrote:
On August 04 2010 16:08 figq wrote:
On August 04 2010 15:46 begin wrote:
In my opinion, OP is not trolling or lying you guys.

Take a look on this site, it measures the most played games in Korea. More people are playing fuccen Ragnarok than SC2 according to this site.

http://gametrics.com/
Well, according to this site the top 3 played games in Korea are some shiny RPG, EA FIFA, and some war FPS. *shruggg*


Sudden Attack is not "some war FPS" in Korea. It's a very well played esport.
I'm sure EA FIFA is also very well played esport (what Asian cultures take on doing, they usually dedicate seriously). That doesn't give me less shivers.
If what you are trying to do is discredit gametrics I don't see what your angle is other than "fuck I've never heard of that game." and "I really don't think koreans would play a game about FOOTBALL"
None of these, simply showing that according to this site the Korean's most played games are not even strats, and are certainly not games taken seriously by the pure Brood War community. Hence, the popular is popular, but that doesn't show what's important.

The most popular game in Korea could very well be minesweeper, but the big money will be in SC2 as the leagues switch over, and there are already serious teams like oGs, Prime, WeRRa, Zenith, and televised SC2 scene in Korea, which cannot be said for that many other countries.

Jung Myung Hoon (fantasy) included "Starcraft 2" as one of the things on his mind, in recent Ro16 ceremony. UpMagiC and other legendary or suspended names already switched to SC2, or are playing it actively.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 04 2010 07:28 GMT
#159
Doubt it's the game, probably the subscription model.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
August 04 2010 07:28 GMT
#160
On August 04 2010 16:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
Korea is important, doesn't matter what some of you apologists say.

It's important in only one, but one very important sense - it very nearly overcame the social stigma of playing games seriously. It showed that watching a game being played can be entertaining for the masses, it can be professional, and it's legitimate.

A lot of people took chances for it to be what it is today. None of these things are a given. Here in the US unless you tackle this issue of social stigma it'll always amount to "a buncha clanwars" with a limited, niche, or "sub-culture" following, and not taken seriously.


Koreans played professionally for years and it never become more than a sub-culture in the west.

SC2 is already bigger than BW ever was in many places, just not Korea.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
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