Starcraft 2 a failure in PCBangs - Page 9

On August 04 2010 16:28 Backpack wrote:


Koreans played professionally for years and it never become more than a sub-culture in the west.

SC2 is already bigger than BW ever was in many places, just not Korea.

On August 04 2010 15:21 cerebralz wrote:
I think this, if it is accurate, has everything to do with the kespa/blizzard thing and the fact that the only progamers playing SC2 right now are retired from the mainstream. The S-Class pro's will get their hands on the game soon enough and when it's on TV it will take off.

Plus the fact that koreans in general (i am one) are very resistant to change and until it is 'accepted' fully, there will be a reluctance to go from what you do know to what you don't know. It's just a little different mechanic than the rest of the western world goes by. I think spreading negative press though, is probably bad for the esport in general and i would hope that people don't do it just to get some attention.

On August 04 2010 16:47 BearsAreScary wrote:
Do people seriously think SC2 sucks because it has things that "require less skill" like MBS and unit AI that isn't unbelievably retarded.

I apologize for wanting a game where when I tell a group of stalkers to walk down a cliff, THEY DO IT and don't run across the whole map like idiots. Man, the elitist air from these BW people is really outrageous.

All this "mechanical skill" and "work" that you put into BW was literally just learning how to effectively spam APM: telling your units to do what you originally wanted them to do over and over, bugging them out with glitches to fly across mineral patches, make workers attack faster, etc.). How high you can get your APM up is not, in itself, a good or even decent measure of skill. Maybe if SC2 only took 50 APM to be pro at, I'd bite. But 150 APM compared to 300 and people are seriously freaking out?

SC2 requires a different set of skills, as has been said. During battles, your positioning and micro are much more important. Instead of your ability to micro being determined entirely by your APM in BW, now you have to actually do brainwork to determine what units you want to engage and how. Clicking faster no longer means a more advantageous situation. Now you must click more intelligently. You must ration your spells carefully, or wait to flank the opponent at the right time. It is precisely because you cannot salvage your lack of brainwork with a higher APM that makes SC2 as fantastic as it is.

But whatever, the BW elitists will never change their minds. They can have fun with their game, I suppose.

On August 04 2010 16:51 BluzMan wrote:


What will those S-Class pros find in the game? Korean auditories jumped into the air when seeing good reaver shots, lurker ambushes and minefield action. Blizzard took a concise stance on removing spectator-friendly units from the game and substituted it with Marauders, Immortals and Roaches. All those units have interesting, refreshing gameplay mechanics, but those mechanics influence the winner, not the process. All you see is a huge ball of invincible infantry (I still can't get used to the pathfinding mechanics) fighting a huge ball of invincible striders and one ball winning in the end. They may be interesting to play as, but they are ridiculously boring to watch.

There are many many issues with SC2. I hate the new saturation mechanics with a passion because I'm goddamn SICK of being forced to 4 gate before expanding in PvP. Economy is so broken in SC2 it's not even funny.

With the lack of early accessible AA and lack of terrain traversing units, SC1 was very drop-centric because commiting yourself to a drop usually led to you taking a very good and unexpected position. SC2? Protoss does not have a single unit even worth dropping and every goddamn race has something that protects them from drops anyway. Sensor towers, vikings, queens, faster movement on creep, whatever. I won't even start arguing on how a range 9(!) anti-air unit breaks the air part of the game.

Only a blind person would not see the problems with SC2. It's still a great game, but I seriously doubt it can be viable as a spectator sport in it's current shape. It's not that scary, before Brood War came, SC1 wasn't that much spectator-viable as well.

Btw, what's with all those <100 postcount fanboys everywhere? It looks like posting something like "SC2 has minor flaws" will attract kilotons of hate.

On August 04 2010 16:47 BearsAreScary wrote:
Do people seriously think SC2 sucks because it has things that "require less skill" like MBS and unit AI that isn't unbelievably retarded.

I apologize for wanting a game where when I tell a group of stalkers to walk down a cliff, THEY DO IT and don't run across the whole map like idiots. Man, the elitist air from these BW people is really outrageous.

All this "mechanical skill" and "work" that you put into BW was literally just learning how to effectively spam APM: telling your units to do what you originally wanted them to do over and over, bugging them out with glitches to fly across mineral patches, make workers attack faster, etc.). How high you can get your APM up is not, in itself, a good or even decent measure of skill. Maybe if SC2 only took 50 APM to be pro at, I'd bite. But 150 APM compared to 300 and people are seriously freaking out?

SC2 requires a different set of skills, as has been said. During battles, your positioning and micro are much more important. Instead of your ability to micro being determined entirely by your APM in BW, now you have to actually do brainwork to determine what units you want to engage and how. Clicking faster no longer means a more advantageous situation. Now you must click more intelligently. You must ration your spells carefully, or wait to flank the opponent at the right time. It is precisely because you cannot salvage your lack of brainwork with a higher APM that makes SC2 as fantastic as it is.

But whatever, the BW elitists will never change their minds. They can have fun with their game, I suppose.

On August 04 2010 17:11 MockHamill wrote:


This. BW is the most overrated game ever. It was a fun game with a bad interface that got abused by a bunch of Koreans that trained themselves in the art of clicking fast. Maybe this time around matches will be decided by strategy and skill and not by which monkey can click the fastest.