EPTMLG SC2 Rules Discussion Thread - Page 9
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Empyrean
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:44 PokePill wrote: You know what would be a really cool qualification scheme. The 32 people who pay the highest entry fee. The prize pool could reach exorbitant amounts and entire organizations would be backing players to make a huge pay day. Maybe a few rich people would show up for kicks. Awesome? Yeah that format will really attract and keep fans who you need to show up to your tournaments, pay entry, spectate on your stream etc. Sounds more like a big gimmick to me. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:48 Empyrean wrote: Personally, I'm quite excited to see the thirty-two fastest pass buyers duke it out for cash. I don't think it's gonna be just those 32 players. | ||
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bh.
United States342 Posts
honestly though, something similar to WoW's tournament ladder would be great to ensure quality games | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:50 Baarn wrote: I don't think it's gonna be just those 32 players. Haha, I don't either XD It's still hilarious until they announce otherwise though >_> | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Equipment 2. Headsets must utilize a standard 3.5mm stereo headset jack with a separate 3.5mm microphone jack. Players may not use USB headsets. 7. Players may not change the Computer/Monitor sound and video settings. 8. All User Interface setups will be confined to the Blizzard default options. 2. USB headsets are prevalent enough that this rule should probably be removed. PS/2 Mice are a similar issue, especially since many older mice are still used for SC. 7. I think this is a mistake. I assume things like sound/music are still adjustable (they need to be) but I think graphics should be as well. Similar to Counter Strike, there should be a default config for video settings to get maximum performance yet still maintain the useful features of higher level shaders and filters (such as forcefields, scans, stealth blur, etc.) If you keep the graphics settings higher than needed, you're handicapping people who can't play at such high settings at home. You then make this config known ahead of time so that players will know what to use and will train accordingly. Given the large variance in graphics levels in SC2, being used to them does make a big difference. 8. Questionable. People use different button configs. It's probably not worth allowing full remapping, but I see no reason why players shouldn't be allowed to use the other key bind options that Blizzard provides. General Rules 4. No Warm-Up Games may be played outside of scheduled Warm-Up periods. 4. Define warm up game? It's fine if players aren't allowed to practice against an opponent before their match, but they should still be allowed to enter games and practice their mechanics. Gameplay 5. This is unfairly benefiting the lower seed. Especially in a game where players tilt much harder than Halo or CS, higher seed should have the map picking advantage.5. Prior to the start of a Best of 3 Game Match and the Blind Pick of Races, each Player may select one Map, from the list of Maps, that can’t be chosen for Games 2-3. The lower seeded Player will be given the opportunity to select a Map first. The higher seeded Player will then be given the opportunity to select a Map. 7. No Map may be played more than once in the same Best of 3 Game Match, Best of 7 Game Match, or in the Finals. 8. Referees will conduct a Blind Pick of Races for Game 1 of a Match. 9. The loser of a Game may select a different Race for the next Game. 10. Players who quit out of a Game before it has ended, without Referee’s permission, will lose the Game. 15. The higher seeded Player must play as the Red team and the lower seeded Player must play as the Blue team. 7. I understand the desire to make the game feel more "diverse" but some maps are just better than others. Forcing players to play on shitty maps, especially in the Finals, is a terrible idea. Just make it so that the same map cannot be picked twice in a row. If the same sets of maps keep getting pulled over and over, then it's a sign that the maps you're offering aren't very good (aka all Blizzard maps), not that you should force players to play the other maps. 8. I don't know what to say about 8/9. EDIT: Read the clarification. These rules are kind of irrelevant, because BW/SC2 don't work this way. 10. I think this is unnecessary. Players should be allowed to quit at any time, losing the match. There should be some ethical standards enforced, such as no trash talking or no in-game chat, but don't enforce the way players 'gg'. 15. Why? SC2 is a very pretty game, but red and blue aren't. I assume the connection goes back to Halo but still, this serves no useful purpose and it makes the game uglier. In fact, it may actually detract from color blind players who have difficulty with red. Maps EDIT: Your PCs probably died in WoW tournaments because they were HP pieces of shit. Countless Quake/CS tournaments still operate under those conditions and seem to do fine. | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
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byobong7
United States207 Posts
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Season
United States301 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:56 yoshi_yoshi wrote: It could suck for those already registered if you expand the player pool though, since they had paid their money with the expectation of a weaker player pool. Those who signed up and paid had the expectation that anyone could sign up, this includes top players even if as we stand now some did not get a pass. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:56 yoshi_yoshi wrote: It could suck for those already registered if you expand the player pool though, since they had paid their money with the expectation of a weaker player pool. Though I would still play if it got expanded, it seems kind of unfair to announce it as 32 and then just be like SURPRISE it's 256 now. I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. It should be fair for everyone IMO. edit: Also, just because HuK and NonY didn't get in doesn't mean it's gonna be a bunch of copper noobs. We don't have a player list and unknown people can still play exciting games. | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:00 Backpack wrote: Though I would still play if it got expanded, it seems kind of unfair to announce it as 32 and then just be like SURPRISE it's 256 now. I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. It should be fair for everyone IMO. edit: Also, just because HuK and NonY didn't get in doesn't mean it's gonna be a bunch of copper noobs. We don't have a player list and unknown people can still play exciting games. How is that UNFAIR? This is an open registration tournament meaning that anyone can sign up if they want to. Restrictions were made due to the fact that SC2 is new to the MLG pro scene and it was unclear of what kind of turnout was expected. If you are good enough then you will make a splash in the competitive scene regardless of who is or isn't in it. To be the best you have to prove yourself AGAINST the best. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:05 NasD wrote: How is that UNFAIR? This is an open registration tournament meaning that anyone can sign up if they want to. Restrictions were made due to the fact that SC2 is new to the MLG pro scene and it was unclear of what kind of turnout was expected. If you are good enough then you will make a splash in the competitive scene regardless of who is or isn't in it. To be the best you have to prove yourself AGAINST the best. Like I said, i'm still going to play. I just think they shouldn't expand the pool since certain people didn't get in to an open registration tournament. The idea is first come first serve, not first come and then we let in more people too if they complain. | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:00 Backpack wrote: I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. It should be fair for everyone IMO. If you're not good enough, you don't deserve to get into the competitive scene. It's the bleak truth. | ||
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StarStruck
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On August 04 2010 06:33 Lz wrote: #2. in the general rules makes me worry t.t That got me worried too. Obviously MLG sponsors pushed for this, but I find it an unreasonable demand. Sponsored players are required to wear their team uniforms. :/ After reading Jibba's post I must say the rules should be a little more clear. | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:00 Backpack wrote: Though I would still play if it got expanded, it seems kind of unfair to announce it as 32 and then just be like SURPRISE it's 256 now. I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. It should be fair for everyone IMO. edit: Also, just because HuK and NonY didn't get in doesn't mean it's gonna be a bunch of copper noobs. We don't have a player list and unknown people can still play exciting games. It doesn't really matter if they are exciting games. Big names are what really bring in the viewers, if nobodies are playing, even if they are good nobodies, not as many people will watch it (at least live). | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:07 Empyrean wrote: If you're not good enough, you don't deserve to get into the competitive scene. It's the bleak truth. please read my second post, I wasn't saying that I don't want to play pros though I can see how it would be easy to make that assumption | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:07 Backpack wrote: Like I said, i'm still going to play. I just think they shouldn't expand the pool since certain people didn't get in to an open registration tournament. The idea is first come first serve, not first come and then we let in more people too if they complain. I understood what you said. Their reasoning behind expanding would not be based on the fact that some people did not get in. This is SC2's first event, meaning that MLG had to make some assumptions about this tournament before it happened. They wanted to open these first 32 spots and go from there.. Seeing as it sold out in a little over 2 minutes they will make changes as needed. Also, this is not the first shindig for MLG. This situation has arisen in the past and has been dealt with accordingly. Needless to say, they know what they are doing. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:00 Backpack wrote: Though I would still play if it got expanded, it seems kind of unfair to announce it as 32 and then just be like SURPRISE it's 256 now. I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. It should be fair for everyone IMO. edit: Also, just because HuK and NonY didn't get in doesn't mean it's gonna be a bunch of copper noobs. We don't have a player list and unknown people can still play exciting games. I don't foresee a 256 player expansion since logistically that would be a nightmare. It might be invitations from this point on. Just have to wait for Lee to post anything official. GL in the tournament. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:00 Backpack wrote: Battle.net is how unknown players get into the competitive scene. Look at how many new SC2 stars are totally new to SC. It's not exactly hard to get your name known in this community if you actually deserve it.I understand that some high level people wanted to get in, but so did some unknown people and this could be a chance for someone who isn't in the top 25 famous players everyone knows about to get into the competitive scene. edit: Also, just because HuK and NonY didn't get in doesn't mean it's gonna be a bunch of copper noobs. We don't have a player list and unknown people can still play exciting games. Not usually. It's not just a gap in execution, it's also a gap in understanding the game. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 09:11 NasD wrote: I understood what you said. Their reasoning behind expanding would not be based on the fact that some people did not get in. This is SC2's first event, meaning that MLG had to make some assumptions about this tournament before it happened. They wanted to open these first 32 spots and go from there.. Seeing as it sold out in a little over 2 minutes they will make changes as needed. Also, this is not the first shindig for MLG. This situation has arisen in the past and has been dealt with accordingly. Needless to say, they know what they are doing. Well they should expand for the next event. I just don't like the idea of changing the rules after they've been announced. I made sure I was home by 6:30 so there was no way i was gonna miss my ticket. I'm not going to argue about my opinion any more, i'm gonna play no matter what. edit: people are still quoting my first post -_- im fine with pros playing, i just don't like rule changes after they've been announced. that's all there is to it | ||
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